Testosterone Concentration Limits – Was Rich Piana Wrong About 334mg/ml?

[pepe_]

So I’ve been seeing a lot of Test 400 blends making the rounds lately, and it’s got me wondering… Rich Piana used to always say you couldn’t dissolve more than 334mg of testosterone per ml, or it would crash or be too painful to inject. But clearly, there are labs claiming to push 400mg/ml and beyond.

Was Rich just exaggerating, or is there some truth to it depending on the esters, solvents, or carrier oils used? Curious to hear from anyone with legit experience or knowledge on this. Appreciate any insight.

 

[Tbaz192]

Don’t know the science.

But anytime I’ve seen High concentration of test. It’s an absolute terrible time to inject.

My buddy tried t-500 and split the doses. Why? Idk.
Even at smaller doses it knotted up and completely immobilized his delts.
Even adding more MCT to it.

I’ve never taken blends. At most I mix in the syringe.
And I’ve heard plenty of times. Don’t take blends or high concentration. Lot of time it’s mixed with solvents to prevent crashing as well.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

How many mg you can dissolve per ml depends on solvent content and the compound you’re using. I’m no brew master but as said above, there’s zero reason to use high concentration gear. Shit hurts like a MF and a handful of people on the planet need to use enough gear to have to worry about condensing oil volume.

 

[SBD1]

Depends on ester. You can hold 500+

 

[Wolf7]

Depends on the ester. I’ve had one with 100 prop, 150 cyp and 150 enth and it was like injecting battery acid. Dead arm for a week.

HOWEVER.. I got a guy to make me a custom batch of t400. One was pure decanoate and that was absolutely pip free and the other was 200 cyp and 200 decanoate which is what I settled on and that was also pip free. So now that’s what I run as my test and have done for a good few months. I do it to keep the oil volume down.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Test D 500 is the smoothest thing I ever injected. This is better than test c 250. It's like butter.

You can't categorize everything. Some things are less volatile as others.

 

[eery]

Depends on the ester. I’ve had one with 100 prop, 150 cyp and 150 enth and it was like injecting battery acid. Dead arm for a week.

HOWEVER.. I got a guy to make me a custom batch of t400. One was pure decanoate and that was absolutely pip free and the other was 200 cyp and 200 decanoate which is what I settled on and that was also pip free. So now that’s what I run as my test and have done for a good few months. I do it to keep the oil volume down.

Did you notice any difference from the decanoate vs cyp/decanoate?

do you know which oil and what concentrations of ba/bb it was made with?

OP: Rich piana was wrong unless he only meant enanthate. Some guys seem to tolerate testE at <350mg/ml but most settle at 300mg/ml since its a nice middle ground.

Then you have esters like cypionate that as enanthate, can be made at 250-300 without crashing or causing bad pip most of the time, but most stick to 200-250mg/ml cuz >250mg/ml tends to be unreliable.

Decanoate can be made at 450-500mg/ml afaik.

propionate <125-150mg/ml.

This is with the commonly used 15-20% benzyl benzoate, 2% benzyl alcolhol and mct, gso or cso oil.

334mg/ml was an oddly specific number..

Piana was probably talking from years or personal experience and what he has seen over the years from other bros. He wasnt exactly a chemist.

 

[sbdman]

Test D 500 is the smoothest thing I ever injected. This is better than test c 250. It's like butter.

You can't categorize everything. Some things are less volatile as others.

I had the same experience with Test D 500. I was skeptical at first with it being such a long ester but there is absolutely zero pip and once that ester fully saturates all I can say is it’s awesome. I’m not a fan of everyday pinning. I’ve settled on EOD over the years and I don’t inject anything over 1mL. So high concentration gear is my preference. I’ve tried other test 500s using Test E from two reputable vendors and the PIP is too much. Not worth it. My vendor literally had to offer me a free vial of his Test D 500 in order to get me to try it and now I understand why. Zero pain with a shit ton of test per mL. It’ll be my go to for long 16-20 week blasts.

 

[Wolf7]

Did you notice any difference from the decanoate vs cyp/decanoate?

do you know which oil and what concentrations of ba/bb it was made with?

OP: Rich piana was wrong unless he only meant enanthate. Some guys seem to tolerate testE at <350mg/ml but most settle at 300mg/ml since its a nice middle ground.

Then you have esters like cypionate that as enanthate, can be made at 250-300 without crashing or causing bad pip most of the time, but most stick to 200-250mg/ml cuz >250mg/ml tends to be unreliable.

Decanoate can be made at 450-500mg/ml afaik.

propionate <125-150mg/ml.

This is with the commonly used 15-20% benzyl benzoate, 2% benzyl alcolhol and mct, gso or cso oil.

334mg/ml was an oddly specific number..

Piana was probably talking from years or personal experience and what he has seen over the years from other bros. He wasnt exactly a chemist.

I don’t notice the difference, but I have a low sensitivity to feeling gear. It’s clearly working, but I can take 250 cyp a week or a gram of test, 200 tren A and a mountain of anavar and I don’t “feel” any different. Whereas I’ve got a mate who within 3 tabs of dbol can tell you if it’s shit or not lol.

I think we settled on Mct, but we tried an Mct/castor blend and that was good too. I’ll have a look when I get chance.

 

[trtbuilder]

I've used the T400 from Shathlete for a long time and never had any PIP. YMMV.

 

[eery]

I don’t notice the difference, but I have a low sensitivity to feeling gear. It’s clearly working, but I can take 250 cyp a week or a gram of test, 200 tren A and a mountain of anavar and I don’t “feel” any different. Whereas I’ve got a mate who within 3 tabs of dbol can tell you if it’s shit or not lol.

I think we settled on Mct, but we tried an Mct/castor blend and that was good too. I’ll have a look when I get chance.

i meant from an injection and PIP point of view.

Keep us updated on the mct/castor blend.

 

[Wolf7]

i meant from an injection and PIP point of view.

Keep us updated on the mct/castor blend.

Slight correction.. we settled on an Mct/castor blend, not just MCT.

From an injection and PIP point of view. 0 pip at all. I’ve done as much as 1ml in each delt at once with a 27g 1/2 slin pin. As you can imagine, it’s a little slow to draw, but it’s my go to testosterone now. I hate constantly putting oil in me, so now I run that test 400 and my own mast/deca/tren etc depending on what I’m wanting.

 

[Dirthand]

+1 for the Test D 500mg/ml, it is smooth and holds without a high amount of solvents.. I have been using it for the last year b&c. It's a long enough ester that 1 shot a week is good during a cruise for me .. I recently switched to Test cyp 300 just to see if I notice any difference in feelz, e2 conversion, water retention or anything... to soon to tell.. cypionate, enanthate, Test Base, and deconate are the only esters I've tried.. cyp and dec being the smoothest with no pip.

 

[Juicedhead]

So I’ve been seeing a lot of Test 400 blends making the rounds lately, and it’s got me wondering… Rich Piana used to always say you couldn’t dissolve more than 334mg of testosterone per ml, or it would crash or be too painful to inject. But clearly, there are labs claiming to push 400mg/ml and beyond.

Was Rich just exaggerating, or is there some truth to it depending on the esters, solvents, or carrier oils used? Curious to hear from anyone with legit experience or knowledge on this. Appreciate any insight.

i tried using a 450mg sust blend from ultima labs and it left huge welt and painful for a week completely pointless to use high concentration gear. I have used a 400mg test e and the pip was bad i ended up giving it to my buddy. Although ive used a test e and deca blend 200 each and the pip isnt bad.

 

[Wolf7]

i tried using a 450mg sust blend from ultima labs and it left huge welt and painful for a week completely pointless to use high concentration gear. I have used a 400mg test e and the pip was bad i ended up giving it to my buddy. Although ive used a test e and deca blend 200 each and the pip isnt bad.

It’s generally short esters that cause pip. And Enth in a lot of people for some reason. Test prop at 100mg/ml I’ve tried once and it crippled me. Where as this test 400 and the previous decanoate t400 has been as smoother than other labs cyp 250

 

[Dirthand]

i tried using a 450mg sust blend from ultima labs and it left huge welt and painful for a week completely pointless to use high concentration gear. I have used a 400mg test e and the pip was bad i ended up giving it to my buddy. Although ive used a test e and deca blend 200 each and the pip isnt bad.

Not all compounds give pip at high concentration. Of course sust and enanthate over 300 will hurt like hell, but Eq, Deca, masteron, and test D is completely painless at 400 and 500mg/ml.. I wouldn't say that it is pointless to find ways to inject less oil into your body..

 

[Juicedhead]

Not all compounds give pip at high concentration. Of course sust and enanthate over 300 will hurt like hell, but Eq, Deca, masteron, and test D is completely painless at 400 and 500mg/ml.. I wouldn't say that it is pointless to find ways to inject less oil into your body..

yeah true depends on the drug. eq 500 was fine for me as well.

 

[Wolf7]

Yeah I believe you can get EQ up to 7-800 at a push. One of the reasons being EQ raw is a liquid to begin with unlike other raws that are powders

 

[Dirthand]

One good thing about making your own gear is being able to Taylor make gear that works for yourself. I will say getting to the just right point t of everything was trying and painful at times but worth it...

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

I almost achieved 400mg/ml in test Undeconate. A quick note and friend suggested I try it again use EO instead of BB. So that's something I'll attempt soon. I did get it to hold at 350mg/ml