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[Cumminstech]

Btw the kitchen is reserved for my wife to cook my meals.

Except for the oven

That is reserved multipurpose for delissio pizzas and sterilizing glassware

You already admitted to not having an "elaborate lab" and named all kitchen items in your process, which reassuresy confidence that this is just taking place in a kitchen

Either way, its being done in an unsterile room with no flow hood to ensure contaminants don't enter when filling vials

You can be super diligent and successful in your methods and be fine for a while, until your not. As of right now there's no way youd be able to gauruntee a sterile product, because there's variables beyond your control that you would need a more "elaborate" lab for. Which you admitted you don't have.

I get that its hard to start out with all that. It would cost a lot to get started and would be a large investment to make with raws and jano tests and glassware and labels and oils/solvents etc.. BUT without having all that equipment you really need to be diligent in your practices and put controls in place for variables that are beyond your control - which you don't have. And with your low prices you've cut your own throat to the point I don't think your going to be able to obtain flow hoods and autoclaves and such, so you will continue operating without these controls in place and someone's going to get an infection and it won't be relatively long before that.

 

[clearheaded]

your conflating "top labs" with trust and reviews with yourself...lol remember other labs that had been on SST had to send pics to moderator to make sure all was legit...so yes other labs have done that even if u dont know about it. most popular labs here u will see pics.

look at jets for example posted all his stuff. QSC posts all there stuff optitropin etc etc

you obv are using your home oven or would of said u use a lab oven.. post a pic of ur none home oven...

do not reuse hose as cross contamination and sterility issues. while u may not understand why cross contamination is bad, just trust me 3-4 major reasons it is! and no water isn't cleaning inside of a rubber tube.

get a pressure cooker to sterilize esp since using home oven. once air touches the vials they are not sterile.

lol remember guys he STILL hasn't said what filters he uses after being asked 3 times.. DO NOT ORDER LIKELY UNFILTERED NON USP OIL.


these home lab folks seem to forget even GMP facilities get contamination issues, recently resulted in dozen people loosing eyes/vision and even death.. thats with regulation and oversite SOPs etc.

 

[clearheaded]

my favourite is saying baking is to sterilize but also says "after sterilization" they are baked to dry lol. doesn't even know his own process or what sterilization means.

also im not sure what hoses are used but not intended for reuse and likely unable to handle heat without offgasing BPAs and other harmful plastic compounds.

you can get a laminar flow hood pretty inexpensively esp since u already spent big bucks on a lab oven...

 

[Testshop247]

Except for the oven

That is reserved multipurpose for delissio pizzas and sterilizing glassware

You already admitted to not having an "elaborate lab" and named all kitchen items in your process, which reassuresy confidence that this is just taking place in a kitchen

Either way, its being done in an unsterile room with no flow hood to ensure contaminants don't enter when filling vials

You can be super diligent and successful in your methods and be fine for a while, until your not. As of right now there's no way youd be able to gauruntee a sterile product, because there's variables beyond your control that you would need a more "elaborate" lab for. Which you admitted you don't have.

I get that its hard to start out with all that. It would cost a lot to get started and would be a large investment to make with raws and jano tests and glassware and labels and oils/solvents etc.. BUT without having all that equipment you really need to be diligent in your practices and put controls in place for variables that are beyond your control - which you don't have. And with your low prices you've cut your own throat to the point I don't think your going to be able to obtain flow hoods and autoclaves and such, so you will continue operating without these controls in place and someone's going to get an infection and it won't be relatively long before that.

Just to clarify, what I meant by elaborate lab is fancy labels, auto fillers and auto capping machines, pill presses ect. Things displayed below.

 

[Testshop247]

your conflating "top labs" with trust and reviews with yourself...lol remember other labs that had been on SST had to send pics to moderator to make sure all was legit...so yes other labs have done that even if u dont know about it. most popular labs here u will see pics.

look at jets for example posted all his stuff. QSC posts all there stuff optitropin etc etc

you obv are using your home oven or would of said u use a lab oven.. post a pic of ur none home oven...

do not reuse hose as cross contamination and sterility issues. while u may not understand why cross contamination is bad, just trust me 3-4 major reasons it is! and no water isn't cleaning inside of a rubber tube.

get a pressure cooker to sterilize esp since using home oven. once air touches the vials they are not sterile.

lol remember guys he STILL hasn't said what filters he uses after being asked 3 times.. DO NOT ORDER LIKELY UNFILTERED NON USP OIL.


these home lab folks seem to forget even GMP facilities get contamination issues, recently resulted in dozen people loosing eyes/vision and even death.. thats with regulation and oversite SOPs etc.

I don't really want to mention other labs in this thread out of respect BUT... Jets posted a laminar flow hood afaik so no...it wasnt ALL of his stuff.. did any other labs post photos of their entire set up? If so please let me know where I can find them.

I've been brewing for personal use for approx 8 years and Ive never given myself an infection yet so I would say that is a good track record. Once again, if anyone is skeptical DO NOT order. This is not my primary source of income so if I make some coin on the side that is great. If not I will have enough gear to last myself a lifetime.

 

[Testshop247]

Meso is about holding sources accountable and keeping one another safe so expect feedback like this for the foreseeable future!

Meso is not was it once was 10 or even 5 years ago. As far as I am concerned you guys are going easy on me haha. I expected much worse. I've been around these parts for quite some time.

 

[Testshop247]

your conflating "top labs" with trust and reviews with yourself...lol remember other labs that had been on SST had to send pics to moderator to make sure all was legit...so yes other labs have done that even if u dont know about it. most popular labs here u will see pics.

look at jets for example posted all his stuff. QSC posts all there stuff optitropin etc etc

you obv are using your home oven or would of said u use a lab oven.. post a pic of ur none home oven...

do not reuse hose as cross contamination and sterility issues. while u may not understand why cross contamination is bad, just trust me 3-4 major reasons it is! and no water isn't cleaning inside of a rubber tube.

get a pressure cooker to sterilize esp since using home oven. once air touches the vials they are not sterile.

lol remember guys he STILL hasn't said what filters he uses after being asked 3 times.. DO NOT ORDER LIKELY UNFILTERED NON USP OIL.


these home lab folks seem to forget even GMP facilities get contamination issues, recently resulted in dozen people loosing eyes/vision and even death.. thats with regulation and oversite SOPs etc.

I already mentioned the filters are .45um and .22um in the intro

Brand of the filters are whatman filter papers.

 

[clearheaded]

take photos with crumpled paper with those filters and your oven...

 

[clearheaded]

also always use distilled water for rinsing just fyi...

just gotta follow normal procedures and im sure can get biz man! several thing are pretty standard for new vendors and you haven't hit any of the very few things..

-photo of stock
-photo of filters/pump/oven/heat plate/scale
-photo of flow hood
-photos with crumpled paper with meso and date with above.

none of which are traceable so not sure why would be avoiding?

 

[3ml]

Meso is not was it once was 10 or even 5 years ago. As far as I am concerned you guys are going easy on me haha. I expected much worse. I've been around these parts for quite some time.

LOL ya it's really gone down hill. New sources always took a beating no matter how good their intro was. Now it's blah.

 

[Cumminstech]

I can appreciate your conern @Cumminstech and you make some valid points but I have to tell you that a very popular ugl that is no longer with us literally used the exact same method along with a few other top labs which by the way did not post any pictures of their set ups due to security reasons. I am sure you and many other members of meso have purchased from them without any issues.

I'm fairly confident I know the lab you are referring too, and I am privileged to have a bit of insight into their setup (if were talking about the same one).

They definitely had more equipment than you, and they had tons of issues. They were not the lab of the past. Near the end, I have heard numerous reports of infections with certain products.

 

[unclebob]

I already mentioned the filters are .45um and .22um in the intro

Brand of the filters are whatman filter papers.

Omg you can't even bother to buy throw away sterile bottle top filters! My lord there's probably more bacteria in your gear than there is in my cats mouth after it licks it's ass.

 

[Testshop247]

Omg you can't even bother to buy throw away sterile bottle top filters! My lord there's probably more bacteria in your gear than there is in my cats mouth after it licks it's ass.

They come in multi packs and once they are used they are disgarded

You don't buy them as a single paper lol

They come in packs of 100

 

[clearheaded]

omg Man, he is saying they are not sterile and not designed for making injectables. that TYPE of filter is not suitable for injectable manufacturing. he is not saying u RE use them, rather the quality is poor and unsuitable.

 

[Cumminstech]

omg Man, he is saying they are not sterile and not designed for making injectables. that TYPE of filter is not suitable for injectable manufacturing. he is not saying u RE use them, rather the quality is poor and unsuitable.

Can you elaborate on what the issue is with disposable nylon filters pls thanks

The top of the bottle top filter does not need to be sterile. It filters by vacuum from the top down. After the filter and technically the filter needs to be sterile but that's it. The oil is being "pasteurized" through the filter and into the (hopefully) sterile media bottle under it

If were gonna torch this guy, you atleast have to have a case torch him with

 

[clearheaded]

1. they are not designed for injectables/consumable so no assurance/testing to ensure filtered properly, also filter papers tend to degrade, dropping "ash".. they are graded on how much ash is dropped iirc. point is its like using toilet paper for a coffee filter.. sorta works, until it doesn't. not to mention would assume different standard of paper used that is touching food ie "non bleaching chemicals". like different standards of filters are used for analytical vs injectable products.

2. think if u spit on one side of the paper it does not clean the spit off that side if that makes sense. ie not sterile.


but majority of the issue is reusing tubes, no sterilization, home oven, no flow hood, likely a carpeted dank basement or dirty garage. all the reasons why folks ask for pics. no pics of product etc etc.

 

[Rubicon500]

I got no dog in this fight but what canadian labs have posted pics of there lab set up ? Jets IIRC , can’t think of any other’s on here that have without going thru every page in there threads.
@clearheaded

 

[Cumminstech]

I got no dog in this fight but what canadian labs have posted pics of there lab set up ? Jets IIRC , can’t think of any other’s on here that have without going thru every page in there threads.
@clearheaded

I'm not asking to see lab pics

It would be a nice standard to have tho

I think its kind of discretional based on the equipment being claimed to have. A GOOD intro should include some lab pics like symbiotics did a while back. In this case wed just get a picture of a kitchen so I kinda don't need pics of it, I know its not to my standard lol.

 

[clearheaded]

most that never posted did have to send to moderators at SST at some point in order to ensure was legit OR were well known with positive feedback and proper techs described and at obvious scale they have equipment at the min. the point is if a home brewer wants a side hustle great, but need to show SOMETHING to garner approval/some semblance of proficiency..

 

[Testshop247]

most that never posted did have to send to moderators at SST at some point in order to ensure was legit OR were well known with positive feedback and proper techs described and at obvious scale they have equipment at the min. the point is if a home brewer wants a side hustle great, but need to show SOMETHING to garner approval/some semblance of proficiency..

I do not source on sst nor do I ever plan on it.

I've been around on meso long enough to know that nobody posts actual photos of their set ups.

No UGL would in their right mind post those pics for safety reasons. I have the proper equipment and thats all you need to know.

If you don't like it then move on or continue to post in the thread and keep it bumped