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Marcus
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You had a response typed up but can see everyone has made up their mind? You sound like every other whiny little bitchy UGL on here complaining about their potential customers calling them out on legitimate claims, and then having no appropriate answer to respond with... Typical as fuck. Get over yourself and explain it and do what you claim you came here to do. How about just for fun, you upload these supposed "Mass Specs" you claim to have and let us take a look at them. I'll call bullshit on those right now those too
Alright I see your points. I think others were trying to make one along similar lines but it got a bit lost in translation. I wasn't interpreting those complaints as legitimate and they were. My apologies for not reading into things enough. I'll try to address everyone's concerns here because I believe being honest is the best way to operate.
I'll try to address the MS topic to the extent I can with my limited knowledge. I don't mean to patronize those who already know these things, likely even better than I do, so don't be offended. I'm just trying to explain the value even with their inaccuracy. The only way to ACCURATELY quantify a compound of unknown purity is to have a reference standard of known purity. Period. This is the problem we face. Without a DEA license and whatever else would be needed analysts that are willing to test really anything you send them for a cash payment simply don't have access to these standards. Without calibrated reference standards the results are just an estimate. MY results are just estimates.... BUT these estimates are still extremely useful and at least in the case of relatively pure/clean samples pretty reasonably accurate. The less pure the larger the margin for error.... obviously.
I'll try to demonstrate the value here. As I mentioned I do not have Test Propionate in stock right now because the sample was contaminated. I didn't mention this, but I also do not have Anadrol in stock because both suppliers I have tried came back as BUNK. Now, the mass spec still gave me a purity estimate on the Test P. It was a shitty result, but a result nonetheless. The LABMAX on the raw material was a perfect clean reaction. However, when LABMAX was performed on the finished product it was all screwed up just as I suspected it might be - testing positive for what looks to be clomiphene.... yes seriously. Impurities are typically byproducts from the manufacturing process itself. You never achieve a 100% yield in chemistry. You have a theoretical yield and an an actual yield. You can also get stereoisomers of the compound that are not functional or biologically active. When this is the case you typically, and I'm not an expert here so don't crucify me if this isn't 100%, see the major impurities register at a similar molecular weight as the target ion. These are normal impurities and not contaminants.... like large amounts of organic solvents or whatever the hell else China manages to screw up would be. Again I'm not an expert this is just based on the dozens of results I've seen. In the case of this contaminated test P..... there are significant peaks in the 261-275 range and also 422-427 range. For the last time - I am NOT an expert.... but common sense told me this was a contaminated sample because of this. Clomiphene has a molecular weight of about 406 so I guess it makes sense that the stanozol/oxandrolone LABMAX test showed the dark brown to black result for clomiphene. I don't know what the hell the 261-275 contaminant is but nonetheless the ampule A and B LABMAX result showed something like you would expect for Masteron Enan, despite there being no Mast E actually present. Golden-yellow under UV light, orange for amp A, orange-red for amp B.
So my points really are:
1) These mass specs DO prevent bunk, underdosed, or contaminated gear from making it to the customer!
2) They are not completely accurate! I do not intend to argue with anyone about what was said above because something was almost definitely wrong. I admit this. I am not an Analytical Chemist, but when you see significant peaks showing up in the complete wrong places that seems like an issue to me. In the case of this Test P for example, obvious contamination.
3) I really have no desire to use mass specs as a selling point! I can't prove their legitimacy and in fact know they are inherently flawed. It's just an estimate. That being said, they are still extremely useful and protect the end user from contaminated or bunk gear.
4) Most analysts willing to test give horrible results. Most labs seems to tell you everything is above 90%+ pure as long as they are able to isolate the target ion..... it took several months and a lot of testing to find the analyst I use currently who I believe is competent.
These MS tests are just a tool. They aren't perfect and would be considered erroneous in any serious academic setting, but it does protect the end user a great deal. They also seem to be quite accurate when we're talking 80%+ purity, at least judging from my own bloodwork. This is why I make the claim that the products I sell are very close to being accurately dosed, I truly believe this to be true from my own labs and cycling experience. I've put quite a lot of money up for bloodwork to show MESO this as well.
If I had been a source 10 times before I'd have a lot better explanation than this lined up lol. Hopefully this helps explain my position.
I am willing to talk in private to trusted members about how to find analysts. It isn't all that difficult, but it is EXPENSIVE and time consuming. I spent several months and several grand. You will waste money on many idiots before hopefully finding someone who is competent.
I thought the way I wrote was clear? Sorry if it wasn't. The pack was just an excuse to not have to deal with local clients anymore. Just being as safe as possible. Nothing more. Unfortunately the way I wrote about my label made it look like something it wasn't.
^^^^ I agree with this ....there arent bad labs , just bad powder sources . And theres not one lab here or been here that didnt have bad batches . I respect that you pulled bad gear from your line , lots of bunk test prop out there (as well as others)
Its still hard to believe this is your first rodeo , you seem to know too much about this business (and Meso) to be a rookie . Time will tell......~Ogh
Its still hard to believe this is your first rodeo , you seem to know too much about this business (and Meso) to be a rookie . Time will tell......~Ogh
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Thank you. I'm honestly surprised people think I'm some sort of professional. I didn't handle the initial questions very well. My knowledge comes from several years of being a consumer..... that's the God's honest truth but I 100% understand why no one would believe that.
I hope whoever people seem to think I am isn't a shitbag that scammed people.
If anyone thinks I'm joking about the test P..... I've got 50+ vials you can have for free! Seriously if someone really wants to pin it, it's all yours lol.
Send them to me 
Cycle starts in two wewks
Cycle starts in two wewks
Marcus
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What's your other handle here on Meso and other boards? Stop fuckin around
Sorry to disappoint but this is genuinely the first and only handle I have ever used on MESO. I had a no name eroids account at one point with something like 20 karma that all came from writing extensive reviews. Didn't participate in the forums. Last time I logged into that has to be almost a full year ago now. Getting shafted a few times in a row was what sent me into my current direction actually.
Don't know what to tell you guys, I've learned what I have from reading not actively participating.
Send them to me
Cycle starts in two wewks
If you want it then by all means lol....
Dude read what he wrote previously. He already answered this question twice.
@thane .... Did I miss the pics of your lab set up/equipment? Did you address this already?
Bigd26
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I may have misread, but only money back for blood work on test e? Perhaps testing (bloodwork) on a slow ester and telling people no need to rush the test gives you enough time to scam as many people as you can in the next month? Next month new name?
Nope!! A couple of burners,beekers, and whatman filters isn't really pic worthy!
2gunz327
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I actually sent it way b4 he posted and b due to the lack of service it posted late. Lets focus on the task at hand here my bad
lightspan
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Thanks for the James Joyce-ian reply. Save it, post spectra. The value of your narrative is nil, other than making my head hurt.
Also,you use "honest" and "honestly" and variations thereof with the frequency of a used car salesman. It doesn't help you, knock it the fuck off. If you've studied meso carefully, you know that you are guilty and a scammer until proven otherwise.
I'm not buying any of this. Please post your excuses why you will not throw up the spectra now. In three...two...one...
lightspan
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Nope!! A couple of burners,beekers, and whatman filters isn't really pic worthy!
c'mon man, i bet the tile in his bathroom is really nice.
Understood.
c'mon man, i bet the tile in his bathroom is really nice.
Okay... you got me, it isn't half as bad as PEP's!!!
Thane... I mean Hoyt... I mean Thane, you have till tomorrow to post up pics of what you use to sterilize and filter your gear. Hey man, if all you have is an oven and whatman filter, well for fuck sakes post up. SCOC says 24 hours or you're outta here fella. Tickety-Toc!!!!
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