Thane Labs

[thane]

Alright I've been milling over the situation. I'm not avoiding what's requested of me I'm ADDRESSING it so hear me out. It's not just me that has a problem here it's YOUR RULE as I've found out.

Even though I've gotten quite a bit of support privately and several orders, fact is none of these people will dare post LABMAX or they'll be labeled shill. Good gear should be able to sell itself, but that can't be the case when there is literally no way humanly possible to please some of you with respected voices - voices that prevent others from posting test results.

I did a little reading into these sources people keep saying I am...... sorry but I'm smarter than these assclowns

Also, seriously impressed with the group in this thread right now. Lots of calm reasoning and helpful comments. No pissing matches, angst-ridden tren-fuelled paranoia or anything for at least two pages. Hallefuckinglujah.

From Titan's thread quote from @lightspan. What the FUCK happened to you bro?? I've been ignoring you in this thread glancing over your comments because I truly thought you were just an idiot. Now I see you have graduate level education and know your shit? If you would've come at me level-headed these conflicts could possibly have been resolved already. Dick measuring contests don't produce results.... the hypothetical ones anyways. Let's be reasonable and work on SOLUTIONS. You clearly have the capacity to do so.

honestly have no dog in this fight, but it just seems like you guys are looking for reasons to shoot this guy down. Which is good in a way, but also, he does have a point. Whenever a source provides tests here everybody claims they are fabricated and full of shit. When a source doesn't provide tests everybody claims they're cooking in their bath tub. You can't have it both ways.

From Hoyt's thread. Anything a source posts is a lose-lose he's right. That's why I offered the $100 LABMAX incentive, but MESO won't even allow that to happen.

Well let's look at the implementation of CoC rule #1 and how it actually works not in principal, but IN PRACTICE. First off, multiple sources haven't posted pics AT ALL and were still given a chance WITHOUT offering testing compensation even, at least nothing near $100 for a LABMAX. Sunaven is one of them but I'm not going to read through pages and pages to find more.

Titan posted pictures of equipment located in a COLLEGE LABROOM. Any of the 21 million Americans attending college can walk into a lab room and slap a sticky note on a piece of equipment for a picture. He was smart enough to edit out most of the surroundings with the autoclave picture at least, because if he didn't it would be obvious where it was located. Next is the Labconco purifier class 2 Biosafety cabinet he posted..... which costs between $9,000-$12,000..... you seriously think a brand new first time source could or would buy something THAT expensive on top of the already pricey autoclave?? We're talking over $15,000 here possibly. Not only that, but it's not very useful for brewing - the cabinet that is. At least not $9-12,000 useful. The safer the better sure but in reality if finished bottled+capped products are being claved and not being produced by an imbecile they are completely sterile. Period. He was given a chance anyways despite these absurdly obvious lies.

Concerning a currently active source here name redacted..... The autoclave he posted on page 1 is a Tuttnauer 2340m. The autoclave posted on page 5 with the sticky note on it is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MODEL - the Tuttnauer EZ10k. No one even noticed he posted pictures of two different autoclaves LOL! But it gets better. The first clave again is OBVIOUSLY in a college labroom. The Tuttnauer 2340m measures 21.5 inches across which is roughly the same distance between the two large windows behind the clave. Where in your house are two LARGE windows less than 2 feet apart from eachother? This is inconsistent with any home design I've seen, yet entirely consistent with a college lab's design. The countertop in the pic looks to be either epoxy resin or laminate.... runs flush up against the wall.... all inconsistent with home design (unless a family man keeps his autoclave in the kitchen I guess) yet entirely consistent with your average college labroom schematic. At least the ones I personally took classes in.

I have a Bachelor's degree in a field of Science. Still have my student ID. How hard do you think it would be for me to go slap a sticky note on some fancy equipment and snap a pic? In principal the rule makes sense. In practice? Punishes honesty and rewards lies. Your rule is broken.

Truthfully like myth kind of hinted towards, all that really matters in the end is the vials are clean and the oil is run through a .2 filter.

From Titan's thread. This is my point. I don't even bother with sterility when brewing or even pre-filtering through the .45 micron filter. No reason to. I do this OUTSIDE of the room I use for bottling and capping even. It's the final transfer from sterile media bottle to sterile vials that matters - that's it. That's when I scrub up.

It would be different if it was just a pic of equipment that's reasonable, but that's not what is wanted here. I'm being asked to send a picture of a room inside my own home all lab equipment included directly to LE by posting public. Not only that.... but what the hell are you looking for? It's a fucking carpeted bedroom with a workbench and a $100 HEPA filter in it. I didn't lie about having fancy shit.

You had a response typed up but can see everyone has made up their mind? You sound like every other whiny little bitchy UGL on here complaining about their potential customers calling them out on legitimate claims, and then having no appropriate answer to respond with... Typical as fuck. Get over yourself and explain it and do what you claim you came here to do. How about just for fun, you upload these supposed "Mass Specs" you claim to have and let us take a look at them. I'll call bullshit on those right now those too

Upload the specs so you can call bullshit on them. Yeah let me get right on that. Sounds productive. This set the tone for the whole thread.

The drama surrounding specs is why I INCENTIVED testing and made a temporary no minimum order. I'll send out free samples gladly for either mass spec or LABMAX. I've read you guys are against this sort of thing so I didn't offer this at the start.

Look.... creating problems with no possible recourse is redundant. That's what has happened here. Let's talk SOLUTIONS and I'll work with you.

If MESO decides to boot me over a technicality I just irrefutably proved fallible then I'll be on my merry way. There's a lot of good bros here I know that from emails and PMs so I do want to be here, but I don't make the rules.

To those who have already ordered or will order soon - I understand you can't post results here without being flamed. I've reached out to moderators on another forum. If the MODs approve, you can post your LABMAX tests over there when I'm listed and receive the credit still. If the MODs disapprove of allowing members from elsewhere to post I'll give you the credit anyways - no LABMAX needed.

 

[thane]

If this is true, then those labs are worse than the ones that don't, because it shows that they are deliberately underdosing gear or substituting compounds. I'd lay odds that there is not a single UGL in the universe that has not pushed out sub-standard gear at one time or another, knowingly or not. Because they are all at the mercy of their raw suppliers, inevitably a shipment gets seized or the raws come in way under concentration. In this case the overwhelming majority of UGLs will stretch what they have to meet order volume, tested or not. The consumer is left dealing with the aftermath. What most UGLs fail to understand, though, is that this is clearly a business of customer loyalty, not customer volume if one wishes a sustainable enterprise.

The purpose of business is not just to create but to keep a customer. I wrote that somewhere in my intro I think.... the majority of UGLs are not ran by business oriented individuals. I think there might actually be one UGL that has never done it but he has access to resources I don't think anyone else in the US does. Having a literal Analytical Chemist as a close friend isn't exactly common.... the other source I mentioned did great for a long time but QC seems to have gotten questionable in recent months. I know he still has access to testing though. Probably started randomly testing instead of confirming every batch to increase output idk. There's only one guy I personally will order from to get odds and ends but obviously - he's private.

 

[thane]

Good fuckin call CBS, you are right... Just had specs done too a month or 2 ago. Hahaha. Done here! Thanks CBS

He doesn't want to post the mass specs because they're from angus and knows their bullshit

Bunk Test Prop that needed replacing, everything... All products fall in line with Titan. 100% correct after reading the other thread again.

If you paid attention to other boards you would see multiple "bunk" Test P LABMAX results which are exactly the same as I described in detail. People are attributing it to a Mast E positive. There's only a few places in China (we think) that actually PRODUCE raws. If one lab is affected so are many others. But please, continue with your baseless assertions it's amusing.

Difference is, I actually pulled my shit and ate the loss instead of selling it.

 

[Marcus]

If you paid attention to other boards you would see multiple "bunk" Test P LABMAX results which are exactly the same as I described in detail. People are attributing it to a Mast E positive. There's only a few places in China (we think) that actually PRODUCE raws. If one lab is affected so are many others. But please, continue with your baseless assertions it's amusing.

Difference is, I actually pulled my shit and ate the loss instead of selling it.

Keep spinning your lies, it's amusing us too Titan. It's a multitude of things that have you away, not just the TP. Your tone has completely changed in this thread now, and you are entirely unprofessional... This is the part where you say, oh well you were treated this way so you are going to treat us this way. But in your reading, you must've learned that this is how threads go, and you've handled yourself poorly at this point. It doesn't matter though because you have been discovered

 

[weighted chinup]

Thane, your entire angle is that you 'claim' to conduct QA / QC with Mass Spec and adjust labeled dosages accordingly.

But you won't post spectra because you are afraid of it being scrutinized.

But you think its fair to use the 'Q/A angle' to drum up interest and sales....because lets be honest - without this claim, you are just like every other amateur src.

 

[2gunz327]

Definitely a talker...I think your next post @thane shoud have any typing in it but it should b pictures of your lab and procedures. We all kno by your extremely long post of trying to point out how rong we are and every example we give u. You go to great lengths to disproved It .with that being said you being the type of person to prove how wrong we are you would think to throw some pics up of your boarder line "sterile" lab set up Would of been the first thing you did.....smh. goo kick rocks if ur gonna continue to show us nothing and post 5 page essays of why your not gonna post relevant info. Remember you came to us we didnt go to you so outta respect prove your self as we ask and if u cant go fuck your self and your college degree. because im sure no one that has any common sence here is gonna buy from u and the ones that do they'll relies it but ull probly done have enough xmas money and be moving on to hit the next lick.....if your next post isnt a picture of somthinig that is beneficial to proving your authenticity then just fuckn give it up bro...thats all

 

[bigpoppachump]

Alright I've been milling over the situation. I'm not avoiding what's requested of me I'm ADDRESSING it so hear me out. It's not just me that has a problem here it's YOUR RULE as I've found out.

Even though I've gotten quite a bit of support privately and several orders, fact is none of these people will dare post LABMAX or they'll be labeled shill. Good gear should be able to sell itself, but that can't be the case when there is literally no way humanly possible to please some of you with respected voices - voices that prevent others from posting test results.

I did a little reading into these sources people keep saying I am...... sorry but I'm smarter than these assclowns



From Titan's thread quote from @lightspan. What the FUCK happened to you bro?? I've been ignoring you in this thread glancing over your comments because I truly thought you were just an idiot. Now I see you have graduate level education and know your shit? If you would've come at me level-headed these conflicts could possibly have been resolved already. Dick measuring contests don't produce results.... the hypothetical ones anyways. Let's be reasonable and work on SOLUTIONS. You clearly have the capacity to do so.



From Hoyt's thread. Anything a source posts is a lose-lose he's right. That's why I offered the $100 LABMAX incentive, but MESO won't even allow that to happen.

Well let's look at the implementation of CoC rule #1 and how it actually works not in principal, but IN PRACTICE. First off, multiple sources haven't posted pics AT ALL and were still given a chance WITHOUT offering testing compensation even, at least nothing near $100 for a LABMAX. Sunaven is one of them but I'm not going to read through pages and pages to find more.

Titan posted pictures of equipment located in a COLLEGE LABROOM. Any of the 21 million Americans attending college can walk into a lab room and slap a sticky note on a piece of equipment for a picture. He was smart enough to edit out most of the surroundings with the autoclave picture at least, because if he didn't it would be obvious where it was located. Next is the Labconco purifier class 2 Biosafety cabinet he posted..... which costs between $9,000-$12,000..... you seriously think a brand new first time source could or would buy something THAT expensive on top of the already pricey autoclave?? We're talking over $15,000 here possibly. Not only that, but it's not very useful for brewing - the cabinet that is. At least not $9-12,000 useful. The safer the better sure but in reality if finished bottled+capped products are being claved and not being produced by an imbecile they are completely sterile. Period. He was given a chance anyways despite these absurdly obvious lies.

Concerning a currently active source here name redacted..... The autoclave he posted on page 1 is a Tuttnauer 2340m. The autoclave posted on page 5 with the sticky note on it is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MODEL - the Tuttnauer EZ10k. No one even noticed he posted pictures of two different autoclaves LOL! But it gets better. The first clave again is OBVIOUSLY in a college labroom. The Tuttnauer 2340m measures 21.5 inches across which is roughly the same distance between the two large windows behind the clave. Where in your house are two LARGE windows less than 2 feet apart from eachother? This is inconsistent with any home design I've seen, yet entirely consistent with a college lab's design. The countertop in the pic looks to be either epoxy resin or laminate.... runs flush up against the wall.... all inconsistent with home design (unless a family man keeps his autoclave in the kitchen I guess) yet entirely consistent with your average college labroom schematic. At least the ones I personally took classes in.

I have a Bachelor's degree in a field of Science. Still have my student ID. How hard do you think it would be for me to go slap a sticky note on some fancy equipment and snap a pic? In principal the rule makes sense. In practice? Punishes honesty and rewards lies. Your rule is broken.



From Titan's thread. This is my point. I don't even bother with sterility when brewing or even pre-filtering through the .45 micron filter. No reason to. I do this OUTSIDE of the room I use for bottling and capping even. It's the final transfer from sterile media bottle to sterile vials that matters - that's it. That's when I scrub up.

It would be different if it was just a pic of equipment that's reasonable, but that's not what is wanted here. I'm being asked to send a picture of a room inside my own home all lab equipment included directly to LE by posting public. Not only that.... but what the hell are you looking for? It's a fucking carpeted bedroom with a workbench and a $100 HEPA filter in it. I didn't lie about having fancy shit.



Upload the specs so you can call bullshit on them. Yeah let me get right on that. Sounds productive. This set the tone for the whole thread.

The drama surrounding specs is why I INCENTIVED testing and made a temporary no minimum order. I'll send out free samples gladly for either mass spec or LABMAX. I've read you guys are against this sort of thing so I didn't offer this at the start.

Look.... creating problems with no possible recourse is redundant. That's what has happened here. Let's talk SOLUTIONS and I'll work with you.

If MESO decides to boot me over a technicality I just irrefutably proved fallible then I'll be on my merry way. There's a lot of good bros here I know that from emails and PMs so I do want to be here, but I don't make the rules.

To those who have already ordered or will order soon - I understand you can't post results here without being flamed. I've reached out to moderators on another forum. If the MODs approve, you can post your LABMAX tests over there when I'm listed and receive the credit still. If the MODs disapprove of allowing members from elsewhere to post I'll give you the credit anyways - no LABMAX needed.

Blah blah fucking blah blah! Pics of a semi sterile environment or you don't have one nuff fucking said dude! Mass spec and labmax don't mean shit to me because until some real dudes run it and report back I don't buy into legit testing from sources and first time buyers. What I do put stock into is knowing my shit wasn't brewed in someone's dirty ass garage. A pic of the setup should have been a quick and easy request to complete but you've made it difficult, why is that?

 

[lightspan]

So no mass specs and no pics? Got it. BTW, you apparently didn't read farther in the Titan thread. What happened to me? Well, Titan sold me a bunch of underdosed gear. That was right after MFL sold some contraceptives and abcesses. GE-TM went belly up and fucked a bunch of people...that's just a few of the things that happened, either to me, or to meso. So the quote above, which you were kind enough to dig up, was from my salad days, when I was green in judgement. You can understand I'm a little less warm and fuzzy after watching the trail of bodies left by UGLS here.

You want reasoning? Fine, let's be reasonable, post a PDF of at least one of your spectra. It can only help you. You'll note I posted several spectra, TIC determinations, of Titan gear and others. How about you post your own? I don't think that is an unreasonable request, we understand the purity determination is an estimate, we get all the caveats. Mine were too. I confirmed with bloods.

 

[Voltrader]

This guy still talking lets see the data.......if someone jumps on this guy and buys you are completely on your own the red flags are flying for all to see.

 

[Flounder]

I am owner and operator of Thane labs. We are a US domestic only source with an emphasis on testing and transparency. Our original reason for starting this lab was simply to circumvent the inconsistency of UGLs and thus ascertain quality lab tested gear for our own personal use only. As time passed and knowledge grew, I came to realize that not only could we match but often times surpass the quality of brew put out by some of the most highly acclaimed UGLs we are aware of. It was on the heels of this recognition that the transmutation from private endeavor to public enterprise began and eventually came to fruition. Instead of senselessly talking further I will instead cut to the information applicable to my membership here at MESO.

Quality assurance and quality control are what I emphasize above all else. Every batch of raws is submitted for qualitative analysis (mass spec) before the brewing process ever begins. Dosing is adjusted based on results of the aforementioned analyses to provide as close to an accurately dosed product as possible under the limitations of this system. I want our clients to be able to run our gear without fear or hesitation, knowing that what they receive with each new order will be of virtually identical quality to the last. No grossly under dosed gear, no blaming our suppliers, no excuses. Quality will always fluctuate slightly as this is unavoidable for an UGL, but the fluctuation will be exactly that – slight.

Thane, these are the first two paragraphs you posted in this thread and I can tell you where you went wrong based on these alone. The problem is the sales pitch does not work without you backing up these statements with more information.
The 2nd sentence talks about "testing and transparency". Pretty wording, but if you don't back it up with proof then it means nothing. It's just a beautiful sales pitch that some may bite on, but I can tell you it won't sell here at Meso. Where's the transparency? Or the testing for that matter?
"Quality assurance and quality control" leads off the 2nd paragraph. Show me what you have to verify this is true. You say, "Every batch of raws is submitted for qualitative analysis (mass spec)". You do not have the right to claim you do this without providing proof. I saw you are refusing to post the mass specs you claim to have had done because you say us Meso members will discredit them. That may or may not happen, but you do not have the right to decide that for us. We get that right as members and we decide whether or not your mass specs, if they exist, are legit or not.
Lastly, I would like to address the issue of you refusing to abide by step#1 of the source code of conduct. I find it interesting you choose to deflect this step by referring to now defunct sources here at Meso. I'm not sure that is a good defense for you to use, since there is a reason they are no longer here. Understand? Meso has 3 ugl's currently by my count, one of which may have stopped selling his ugl, only selling pharm grade. If you want to be a ugl here, you need to go above and beyond what others are doing here, instead of deflecting step#1 of the scoc. If you only have a carpeted room with a $100 heap filter, then show it. I don't care if it makes you feel uncomfortable because of the possibility of LE. There are ways around that, so do the research to protect yourself and post the pics.
Just know we have seen about every scam invented. If you do not abide by step#1 of the scoc, and also post your mass specs, then you will be done here at Meso before you ever even get started. The ball is in your court so get busy doing what you need to do. Clocks ticking.
Buyer beware.

 

[hotdog23]

No one should even be giving this clown attention. Srsly. It's over for him. Was 3 pages ago. Let his thread die. And if you order from him you should be banned. Cuz ur a fuckin idiot

 

[thane]

So no mass specs and no pics? Got it. BTW, you apparently didn't read farther in the Titan thread. What happened to me? Well, Titan sold me a bunch of underdosed gear. That was right after MFL sold some contraceptives and abcesses. GE-TM went belly up and fucked a bunch of people...that's just a few of the things that happened, either to me, or to meso. So the quote above, which you were kind enough to dig up, was from my salad days, when I was green in judgement. You can understand I'm a little less warm and fuzzy after watching the trail of bodies left by UGLS here.

You want reasoning? Fine, let's be reasonable, post a PDF of at least one of your spectra. It can only help you. You'll note I posted several spectra, TIC determinations, of Titan gear and others. How about you post your own? I don't think that is an unreasonable request, we understand the purity determination is an estimate, we get all the caveats. Mine were too. I confirmed with bloods.

I wasn't aware of all that.... contraceptives? Are you exaggerating about abscesses or was there literally contraceptive & bacteria filled oil sold as steroids on this forum recently? That's insane.

If that's true, then I apologize to all of you for not being more open with my set-up and specs.

@lightspan if it's OK with you I'd like to run some info by you privately before proceeding. The composed response is sincerely appreciated.

Where can I read about the contraceptive/infection ordeal? I'm having a hard time imagining that as something that really happened - not calling you a liar it's just unbelievable in general.

I think I might take a step back and try to document my QA/QC procedures a bit for you all in light of this w/ proof of course. Maybe I can get something set up where you guys can see some evidence of validation on each new batch of raws.... no promises just an idea I'll see what I can put together.

Customers that have packs incoming - hold off on posting LABMAX until I get things straightened out here. Should only be a few days. Placing new orders is not advised until I'm either cleared by MESO or at least have produced the requested information and still am being bitched at anyways

 

[weighted chinup]

Why even bother talking about your rigorous QC if you are reluctant to post a single piece of proof indicating you do any kind of QA on your products?

You have provided no proof showing you conduct any qualitative testing...you do realize that, right? Anyone can come here and make this claim, exactly like you have.

 

[thane]

Why even bother talking about your rigorous QC if you are reluctant to post a single piece of proof indicating you do any kind of QA on your products?

You have provided no proof showing you conduct any qualitative testing...you do realize that, right? Anyone can come here and make this claim, exactly like you have.

I think you misinterpreted my comment.... I'm going to some specs and set-up now I believe. I've talked enough. No claims. Some members here made very reasonable posts giving an actual solution after I asked for exactly that. I didn't know people had received contraceptives in place of steroids ffs I'd be paranoid too.

It's past midnight here on the east coast so that isn't going to get done tonight. I know some members here will just tear the tests to pieces and still be unhappy no matter what I do but that's fine. When feedback starts coming in it'll subside. Or not.

A lot of people have emailed or PM'd me expressing support. What you see in public isn't actually representative of the whole board.

Pretty sure once I say "don't place any orders" you lose your conspiratorial bargaining chip. I'm literally telling people not to order. Gnight

 

[Marcus]

I think you misinterpreted my comment.... I'm going to some specs and set-up now I believe. I've talked enough. No claims. Some members here made very reasonable posts giving an actual solution after I asked for exactly that. I didn't know people had received contraceptives in place of steroids ffs I'd be paranoid too.

It's past midnight here on the east coast so that isn't going to get done tonight. I know some members here will just tear the tests to pieces and still be unhappy no matter what I do but that's fine. When feedback starts coming in it'll subside. Or not.

A lot of people have emailed or PM'd me expressing support. What you see in public isn't actually representative of the whole board.

Pretty sure once I say "don't place any orders" you lose your conspiratorial bargaining chip. I'm literally telling people not to order. Gnight

You stated in your first post that you had already performed mass spec analyses. Why are you now saying you are going to be setting some up?

Quality assurance and quality control are what I emphasize above all else. Every batch of raws is submitted for qualitative analysis (mass spec) before the brewing process ever begins. Dosing is adjusted based on results of the aforementioned analyses to provide as close to an accurately dosed product as possible under the limitations of this system.

Our intention was to make labels across the board an accurate representation of the amount of active pharmaceutical ingredient (API) actually contained in a given product – NOT simply of the amount of raw material used regardless of purity. We do believe this has been achieved.

 

[weighted chinup]

I think you misinterpreted my comment.... I'm going to some specs and set-up now I believe. I've talked enough. No claims. Some members here made very reasonable posts giving an actual solution after I asked for exactly that. I didn't know people had received contraceptives in place of steroids ffs I'd be paranoid too.

I don't believe I have misinterpreted anything.

I stated in my comment that you are reluctant to post a single piece of evidence in favor of your claims.

Is this the comment you are referring too where you said you are going to set up some mass spec?

I think I might take a step back and try to document my QA/QC procedures a bit for you all in light of this w/ proof of course. Maybe I can get something set up where you guys can see some evidence of validation on each new batch of raws.... no promises just an idea I'll see what I can put together.

You use words like ' I think ' , 'Maybe I can get something set up' , 'I'll see what I can put together', 'No promises'. What is there to think about - if you conduct QA then post proof. It really is that simple. Your verbiage indicated to me that you aren't certain if you are going to post something, which is why I called you reluctant to post proof.

 

[Flounder]

Thane, if you are trying to find the proof about contraceptives in ugl gear, then look under Muscle Factory Labs thread. It's been long dead now for a reason. Mainly, a much respected vet, Oregongearhead, had a horrible experience with Mfl test prop. Proven to contain female contraceptives and also caused him to have an abscess. Probably around May-June of this year. He wasn't the only one to receive this shit. This is just one example for you. Just know there are others if you require any more proof. Now do you understand our desire to implement the scoc with every ugl. It's just the way it has to be from here on out. Now how about addressing my last post to you.

 

[Kinikuman]

Thane, man, I thought for a minute that you were smarter than all this. At your age, I know you're thinking, "These fuckers can't order me around! I don't have to take their shit! This is My business - I run it MY way!". I feel you on that, I really do. But if you want to do business here you need to shut up, listen (read), and do as you are told without constant back-talk or protest. If you can't do something for whatever reason just say, "I can't do that", or "I don't have that." It's direct, honest, mature, and people will respect you for it. Do this properly, deliver on what you promise, and you will have to turn away business because you will be so busy here. No shit.

Ours is a tribal culture here at MESO, for better or worse. You will need the approval of our leaders especially, but the group as a whole to come to the center of the village. You won't get there the way you're going.

You have been given the blueprint for success here both in public and private from many. The choice is up to you whether to forsake ego or continue on your current path.

I leave you with one of my favorite proverbs- "The nail that sticks out too far - is hammered down."

 

[thane]

Thane, if you are trying to find the proof about contraceptives in ugl gear, then look under Muscle Factory Labs thread. It's been long dead now for a reason. Mainly, a much respected vet, Oregongearhead, had a horrible experience with Mfl test prop. Proven to contain female contraceptives and also caused him to have an abscess. Probably around May-June of this year. He wasn't the only one to receive this shit. This is just one example for you. Just know there are others if you require any more proof. Now do you understand our desire to implement the scoc with every ugl. It's just the way it has to be from here on out. Now how about addressing my last post to you.

I'll definitely read into it. That's horrifying. My issue with the CoC #1 was that some others haven't been forced to comply at all and as I pointed out multiple even lied and got appraisal for doing so. I get it though I'm listening, that doesn't matter. I'll comply with it. "Transparency" to me in my intro pertained only to the changing of labels to try and actually represent the contained hormone more accurately as I did with the NPP 75 label..... not posting specs since I thought no one wanted to see specs from a source anyways. Hence the incentives, I thought that would go over well enough to get moving at least. So don't think I deliberately lied to push a fancy sales pitch, the claim in my mind was the labels not openly posting mass specs. Faulty logic perhaps but not a deliberate lie.

I saw you are refusing to post the mass specs you claim to have had done because you say us Meso members will discredit them. That may or may not happen, but you do not have the right to decide that for us.

Yeah you're right. People will unanimously say they're BS I'm sure, but the statement I made was too bold. They'll go up.

Thane, man, I thought for a minute that you were smarter than all this. At your age, I know you're thinking, "These fuckers can't order me around! I don't have to take their shit! This is My business - I run it MY way!". I feel you on that, I really do. But if you want to do business here you need to shut up, listen (read), and do as you are told without constant back-talk or protest. If you can't do something for whatever reason just say, "I can't do that", or "I don't have that." It's direct, honest, mature, and people will respect you for it. Do this properly, deliver on what you promise, and you will have to turn away business because you will be so busy here. No shit.

Ours is a tribal culture here at MESO, for better or worse. You will need the approval of our leaders especially, but the group as a whole to come to the center of the village. You won't get there the way you're going.

You have been given the blueprint for success here both in public and private from many. The choice is up to you whether to forsake ego or continue on your current path.

I leave you with one of my favorite proverbs- "The nail that sticks out too far - is hammered down."

Well, I was on my way out the door before the few responses on this last page here. That's why. There's a very vocal minority at MESO that gets off on incessant negative unproductive commenting. So I'm thinking that's all there is here right, why stay? I can't take unexplained commands from this type of shall we say person. Goes against my constitution.

However..... now I'm finally seeing what made me pick MESO to begin with. @lightspan @Flounder @Kinikuman

These types of folks I'll jump through hoops for even if it's a pain in the ass and other boards would be easier. Wise words from all of you. I need to sleep, I'll throw some specs up in the morning and hopefully everything else up in the afternoon. It's not in a format I can just click and upload some sensitive info needs editing..... it's 6am too damn tired. Some specs are dated anyways would be quite silly to think I'm taking off for 8 hours to fabricate something.....

 

[Beast11]

this is new and exciting.