The GoldLine Busted

[combover]

A moving target is much harder to hit.

Raws are acquired.

Move to a new location and brew raws. Dismantle lab toss everything you have related to brewing.

Set up shop and sell off everything you have.

Move to new location........take plenty of time off and get more raws and start the whole process over again.

With a reshipper and perhaps 20 kilos that's more than enough for an individual to make a good living. By my calculations you could make $100,000/yr doing that.

Lol, who in the fuck would do all that for 100k a year? Most drug dealers are motivated by money, and that's not enough motivation.
It would be easier to just make a 100k, you can do that selling cars with no skills, no education and a narcotics addiction.

 

[Villain]

Lol, who in the fuck would do all that for 100k a year? Most drug dealers are motivated by money, and that's not enough motivation.
It would be easier to just make a 100k, you can do that selling cars with no skills, no education and a narcotics addiction.

Not tax free though

 

[combover]

Not tax free though

What's your point? 100k a year tax free still ain't near enough to risk the amount of time you'd get for distribution, money laundering and whatever criminal enterprise charges they want to get you. These would be federal charges cause you gotta use the mail and cross state lines.

Risk vs reward. The risk is to high for a reward of 100k taxed or not.

 

[Villain]

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What's your point? 100k a year tax free still ain't near enough to risk the amount of time you'd get for distribution, money laundering and whatever criminal enterprise charges they want to get you. These would be federal charges cause you gotta use the mail and cross state lines.

Risk vs reward. The risk is to high for a reward of 100k taxed or not.

Depends on how long you’re in the game making that $100k per year. Look at Private Label - dude basically got 10 years house arrest with zero prison time. Pretty much a slap on the wrist.

 

[hijoshiki]

What's your point? 100k a year tax free still ain't near enough to risk the amount of time you'd get for distribution, money laundering and whatever criminal enterprise charges they want to get you. These would be federal charges cause you gotta use the mail and cross state lines.

Risk vs reward. The risk is to high for a reward of 100k taxed or not.

It depends what your personality is.

Some people don't want to work for others. Some people want to work entirely alone.

I'm that kind of person, I work very well by myself or with one other person(as I tend to despise lazy and arrogant people). I have worked with plenty of coworkers for decades and I hated that shit as you have to put up with peoples personalities and lets be honest, most coworkers and managers are total assholes.

 

[combover]

It depends what your personality is.

Some people don't want to work for others. Some people want to work entirely alone.

I'm that kind of person, I work very well by myself or with one other person(as I tend to despise lazy and arrogant people). I have worked with plenty of coworkers for decades and I hated that shit as you have to put up with peoples personalities and lets be honest, most coworkers and managers are total assholes.

I couldn't agree more. That's why I sold cocaine in my early 20's. Got prison time. Came out and still didn't want to work for someone. So I taught myself a skill set that would allow to me work for myself and not have to look over my shoulder. I did this while working for someone else. Took 3 years to get out on my own.

I would have to have the potential to make millions before I'd ever consider illegally making dough. Even then, I would rather just apply that energy to some legal shit. Too much money to be made legally.

 

[gobig2]

Yeah, it's easy to criticize these lab owners and armchair quarterback how they should have run their criminal enterprise. It may sound like I'm criticizing and maybe I am but I will just say that I do the same thing too and will do so now....

I think your approach could very well minimize the chances of getting caught. But guess what, it still doesn't reduce the probability to zero. There's still a chance. 1 in 10? 1 in 20? 1 in 1000? Who knows.

Personally, I think the best approach for anyone who considers doing this line of work is to start off with the presumption that you WILL get caught no matter what precautions you take. Will it still be worth it? Then go from there.

1000% dead on. Main thing is it worth it after you get out. Also steroids are controlled and scheduled in all states. HGH however isn't. Food for thought if anyone is thinking of getting into the biz

 

[gobig2]

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Depends on how long you’re in the game making that $100k per year. Look at Private Label - dude basically got 10 years house arrest with zero prison time. Pretty much a slap on the wrist.

10 years house arrest fuck that. Part of my sentence was house arrest and it was the fucking worst. Feds always up your ass if you dare step outa your house. I have nightmares over that shit. Much rather have the movement at camp

 

[Red_subbottom]

1000% dead on. Main thing is it worth it after you get out. Also steroids are controlled and scheduled in all states. HGH however isn't. Food for thought if anyone is thinking of getting into the biz

1990 Anabolic Steroids Control Act, the distribution and possession, with the intent to distribute, of hGH “for any use...other than the treatment of a disease or other recognized medical condition, where such use has been authorized by the Secretary of Health and Human Services...and pursuant to the order of a physician...” was criminalized as a five-year felony under the penalties chapter of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act of the FDA.

 

[gobig2]

yes still a felony however you start way lower on points vs steroids. Each state is dif with hgh. Trust me I know

 

[Red_subbottom]

yes still a felony however you start way lower on points vs steroids. Each state is dif with hgh. Trust me I know

If you are arrested by feds your state law doesn’t matter…

 

[gobig2]

never said state law. Said each state is dif on how hgh is controlled and scheduled. I didn't get charged under that control act. We worked something out completely dif under dist of hgh. Not saying anything else under this.

 

[Red_subbottom]

never said state law. Said each state is dif on how hgh is controlled and scheduled. I didn't get charged under that control act. We worked something out completely dif under dist of hgh. Not saying anything else under this.

yes still a felony however you start way lower on points vs steroids. Each state is dif with hgh. Trust me I know

The bold part implies you are referencing state laws. You said you were charged. What was the law that you broke?

 

[gobig2]

criminal complaint. we agreed to dist of hgh it fell into the 0-4 month point wise. No 5 years here. Everything can be worked out with the da and agents then its up to the judge at the end of the day. He choose to go on the higher end to what were asking. oh well I learned from the mistake never again.

 

[valuum]

which they do

Probably pick the biggest dealer. That’s why I’ve been worried about ordering from colonial. He’s got to be a big target with the amount of business he does. I placed an order and had the payment get fucked up and had to reorder later that day. The second order number was like 40 higher than the first , meaning in just a few hours he had 40 orders.

 

[oldie59]

He got 6 yrs this was posted at another board.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ri/pr/n...d-distribution

 

[hijoshiki]

He got 6 yrs this was posted at another board.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ri/pr/n...d-distribution

All told that probably cost the taxpayers $3 million to wrap the case and stick this guy in a cage.

Do we have any legal scholars on this forum that can explain to me obligation of the state/government to restrict freedom, obligation to obey and justified punishment.

I've tried to come up with why legal theory isn't really just someone with too much time on their hands to fuck with other people to create an industry that was never needed, but surely others have asked these same questions as to what allows one to make a law that I must obey, should I not be able to create laws pulled from my ass that would benefit me as well?

I can't for the life of me see any difference between a law library stuffed full of books and a book written 2500 years ago by neanderthals that instructs me on how I'm to bash a women's head in with rocks for possibly not being a virgin.

 

[gobig2]

Well Id say they stiffed him with time but financial seizure limited.

 

[grey]

Do we have any legal scholars on this forum that can explain to me obligation of the state/government to restrict freedom, obligation to obey and justified punishment.

You have conflated the word "obligation" with "desire".

 

[hijoshiki]

You have conflated the word "obligation" with "desire".

Jurisprudence, Legal Theory, Philosophy of Law, all the same thing taught in different settings.

Having dug as deep as I care to has me scratching my head what gives any man the ultimate authority to limit the freedom of two individuals agreeing to engage in an activity that only effects these two individuals.

The perp that was busted in this case offered a good, customer voluntarily purchased good, not only that they had to actively seek it out as it wasn't someone standing on the street corner. It's a fairly complex transaction and exchange that isn't coerced at all. I can't see how this would be the concern of anyone outside of the parties involved.

I'm not sure why in court someone can't call into question the right of anyone to tell individuals what they can and can't do if they are willing parties. This would seem to me the most fundamental argument to make and it should allow sources to walk free as no one is forced to buy what they offer.

If this argument can't work, then the monopoly of power is entirely based on presuppositions and that should be easy to tear apart in court. Faith in law is the entire premise of law, it has no objective absolute answers coming from an all knowing power which of course doesn't exist. It is arbitrary and entirely based from ones perspective and opinion which is extremely dangerous.

The entirety of law should be deconstructed and sent to the paper shredder with more intelligent men and women working to call into question anyone with any power beyond preventing willful violence.