The GoldLine Busted

[hijoshiki]

Everybody should be reading this.


And I can see the temptation.
"In just a one-year period before his arrest, Esser’s bank account received $1.3 million in deposits from steroid customers. Ex. B at 75."


Did I read it correctly that as a part of his plea deal he kept nine pieces of real estate?
"His plea agreement provides for the forfeiture of over $130,000 seized from bank accounts, four cars, $17,000 in cash, a gold chain Esser purchased for $30,000, three PA real estate properties, a $214,600 money judgment in lieu of nine other PA real estate properties, and some – but not nearly all – cryptocurrency. ECF Nos. 27 & 29."

The man is crazy, stupid and lazy.

Every transaction over $10K is reported to the IRS.

You simply can't use a traditional bank when you're involved in this.

Most big time drug dealers are involved in global finance to launder the money. At some point a banker has to get his cut in order to keep the operation going. Structuring or breaking up that money into small amounts that hopefully stay under the radar.

Crypto sooner or later involves a bank, but if you can send out small payments. Or convert to cash overseas and hide it with a legitimate business or fake investment you could do this.

One thing you don't do is toss your receipts in the trash. At a certain point you'd better be burning your trash even after you shred it. Also I wouldn't be putting my trash out by the curb letting it sit. I'd sack that shit up and dump it in random dumpsters late at night.

 

[Cherokee]

The man is crazy, stupid and lazy.

Every transaction over $10K is reported to the IRS.

You simply can't use a traditional bank when you're involved in this.

Most big time drug dealers are involved in global finance to launder the money. At some point a banker has to get his cut in order to keep the operation going. Structuring or breaking up that money into small amounts that hopefully stay under the radar.

Crypto sooner or later involves a bank, but if you can send out small payments. Or convert to cash overseas and hide it with a legitimate business or fake investment you could do this.

One thing you don't do is toss your receipts in the trash. At a certain point you'd better be burning your trash even after you shred it. Also I wouldn't be putting my trash out by the curb letting it sit. I'd sack that shit up and dump it in random dumpsters late at night.

Most people get busted by informants. Nothing hi tech. People love to rat.

I had this one guy try to get out of a speeding ticket by ratting on his own friend. Yes, over a speeding ticket! Thought it would save his ass

 

[hijoshiki]

Most people get busted by informants. Nothing hi tech.

That's the reason I think any source had better be a one man show.

He needs to have a science background, at least a few years of chemistry, biology, microbiology.

Then he can supply, brew and ship. I don't know that any of these reshippers mostly located in Oregon from what I can tell are trustworthy at all. There's a network of these guys in this country that all seem to know each other. That's a recipe for disaster if you want to avoid getting busted.

That's why I think it's best to stock at a certain location. Do a large brew and eliminate any traces of the lab and then go to town selling tens of thousands of vials shipping them in a large city where you can hide yourself by walking to different drop boxes with a hood, sunglasses and face mask.

 

[hijoshiki]

Most people get busted by informants. Nothing hi tech. People love to rat.

I had this one guy try to get out of a speeding ticket by ratting on his own friend. Yes, over a speeding ticket! Thought it would save his ass

That's why you talk to no one about what you do.

Nobody is your friend if you're involved in this sort of stuff. Wife, Girlfriend, friends, they're all potential for wrecking your life.

One fight, argument with someone and you're in big trouble.

That's why every mobster movie ends with most of them getting whacked.

 

[Cherokee]

Well criminals are not the smartest to begin with. There are so many legal ways to make money. Part of my business is repackaging chemicals and selling them as cleaner. LOL. I have a much higher markup than the steroid people, and the government even buys my product.

Business is where the $ is, not illegal activity.

 

[gobig2]

Well criminals are not the smartest to begin with. There are so many legal ways to make money. Part of my business is repackaging chemicals and selling them as cleaner. LOL. I have a much higher markup than the steroid people, and the government even buys my product.

Business is where the $ is, not illegal activity.

you making over 50k a month cash?

 

[hijoshiki]

you making over 50k a month cash?

That's the thing, you have a potential to make a good living as a source.

The problem is when you go beyond your own needs. If you can make $50K a month and keep yourself safe then go for it, but bail eventually as you don't really need $50K a month to survive. One year of that kind of money if your house is paid off and you live well below you means will last you many years if you live in the midwest.

A million dollars is easy to retire on as long as you live in area with very low taxes. I wouldn't even be against moving south of the border and retiring in some place like Argentina where you can live very comfortable on $2000/month.

 

[Cherokee]

That's the thing, you have a potential to make a good living as a source.

The problem is when you go beyond your own needs. If you can make $50K a month and keep yourself safe then go for it, but bail eventually as you don't really need $50K a month to survive. One year of that kind of money if your house is paid off and you live well below you means will last you many years if you live in the midwest.

A million dollars is easy to retire on as long as you live in area with very low taxes. I wouldn't even be against moving south of the border and retiring in some place like Argentina where you can live very comfortable on $2000/month.

The more you have, the more you spend

 

[gobig2]

Yup source for a few years kill it dig holes prob end of doing a lil time at the end then live nicely after that digging up your holes

 

[Villain]

Yup source for a few years kill it dig holes prob end of doing a lil time at the end then live nicely after that digging up your holes

And hope someone doesn’t find your holes lol. That pertains to your money and your time in prison.

 

[malfeasance]

The sentencing recommendation indicates that Esser has a lot of money stashed away in bitcoin offshore where they cannot get to it.

 

[Red_subbottom]

No these idiots should get together and write a book on how they fucked up and are rotting in a jail cell for the next few years.

Anyone with an ounce of self preservation that enjoys the freedom to go where they want would never take the risks these guys took.

Remember TGI when he shot off his gun while he was drunk and the cops came and busted his home lab after they searched his house.

That's just how this happens.

It's not just personal knowledge that helps you stay out of trouble, it's you thinking about every action you take so you don't make mistakes. You don't need ten years for that, you only need ten seconds to realize you're fucking up.

When you buy multiple properties the government is notified. When you spend lots of money at a strip club there's lots of people watching you. When you buy fancy sports cars....once again the government is gonna know.

How do you stay under the radar......no family, friends, no partners, no transactions at the bank. You basically disappear off the face of the earth.

If you read the Bigger brands that get busted it normally starts with a package getting intercepted by boat or plane, which is allowed to be delivered and kept by importer, that starts the investigation. Such as Miami iron addicts and Goldline.
Maybe you’ll find this interesting.

Chinese Citizen Charged with Massive Anabolic Steroid and Fentanyl Precursor Chemical Distribution Scheme

www.justice.gov

 

[malfeasance]

If you read the Bigger brands that get busted it normally starts with a package getting intercepted by boat or plane, which is allowed to be delivered and kept by importer, that starts the investigation. Such as Miami iron addicts and Goldline.
Maybe you’ll find this interesting.

Chinese Citizen Charged with Massive Anabolic Steroid and Fentanyl Precursor Chemical Distribution Scheme

www.justice.gov

$280 million? Wow.

 

[malfeasance]

More about Ye Chuan Fa and his company.

The Brazen Way a Chinese Company Pumped Fentanyl Ingredients Into the U.S.

Yuancheng used an army of young, perky salespeople to peddle illegal chemicals to Americans.

www.theatlantic.com

“Food additives officially,” a Yuancheng saleswoman named Alisa said when I asked what products her company specializes in. “Steroids and 4-ANPP NPPunderground.”
. . .
I claimed to be interested in chemicals including a steroid called nandrolone decanoate, which is illegal to possess in the United States without a prescription. The Amys were eager to comply, noting that it sold for $1,800 a kilogram, and asked whether I was interested in anything else.



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So that's, what, $3.60 worth of nandrolone decanoate in a typical vial?

 

[HK-47]

All this trouble for the feds to go through when steroids can simply be fully legalized without prescription with an immense reduction in underground selling of societally-useless sellers that are likely selling hard drugs too, the ones that matter more.

Schedule 3 drugs yet alcohol is legal. (999x more related deaths)

Just lol @ this fucking clown world.

 

[malfeasance]

All this trouble for the feds to go through when steroids can simply be fully legalized without prescription with an immense reduction in underground selling of societally-useless sellers that are likely selling hard drugs too, the ones that matter more.

Schedule 3 drugs yet alcohol is legal. (999x more related deaths)

Just lol @ this fucking clown world.

That could not happen without decades of propaganda in favor of steroids to counteract all of the negative propaganda that has poisoned public opinion.

You will be dead or too old to benefit from it of anybody every does start a serious effort to legalize steroids - and nobody really is.

Do you vote Libertarian? I ask because that is the only party that would do such a thing. All the other politicians are in favor of prison for steroids. So if you are not voting Libertarian, you are the problem, not "them," whoever them is.

That last sentence is just an uncomfortable truth. Deal with it.

 

[Millard]

David M. Esser couldn't have done more to get himself busted.

If you're running an operation you never buy shit, you drive a clean dependable boring vehicle. You live in a very modest house. You're clean cut. You don't fraternize with anyone, you keep to yourself, you don't go to the strip club and blow your wad like a dumbass.

Your first priority is to figure out where to stash your money so no one can find it. No banks, it has to be stashed as you need something when you get out of jail if you ever get busted as you're gonna be F'd.

Most importantly is to shut the business down every year and take one year off and come back with a complete restock and go balls out for a year and take another year off.

A smart person would never connect himself with this many people as you simply can't trust anyone in this business.

Once a man has a million he needs to bow out, destroy his past, retire and never look back.

Yeah, it's easy to criticize these lab owners and armchair quarterback how they should have run their criminal enterprise. It may sound like I'm criticizing and maybe I am but I will just say that I do the same thing too and will do so now....

I think your approach could very well minimize the chances of getting caught. But guess what, it still doesn't reduce the probability to zero. There's still a chance. 1 in 10? 1 in 20? 1 in 1000? Who knows.

Personally, I think the best approach for anyone who considers doing this line of work is to start off with the presumption that you WILL get caught no matter what precautions you take. Will it still be worth it? Then go from there.

 

[Cherokee]

Yeah, it's easy to criticize these lab owners and armchair quarterback how they should have run their criminal enterprise. It may sound like I'm criticizing and maybe I am but I will just say that I do the same thing too and will do so now....

I think your approach could very well minimize the chances of getting caught. But guess what, it still doesn't reduce the probability to zero. There's still a chance. 1 in 10? 1 in 20? 1 in 1000? Who knows.

Personally, I think the best approach for anyone who considers doing this line of work is to start off with the presumption that you WILL get caught no matter what precautions you take. Will it still be worth it? Then go from there.

Always consult with an attorney!

 

[hijoshiki]

Yeah, it's easy to criticize these lab owners and armchair quarterback how they should have run their criminal enterprise. It may sound like I'm criticizing and maybe I am but I will just say that I do the same thing too and will do so now....

I think your approach could very well minimize the chances of getting caught. But guess what, it still doesn't reduce the probability to zero. There's still a chance. 1 in 10? 1 in 20? 1 in 1000? Who knows.

Personally, I think the best approach for anyone who considers doing this line of work is to start off with the presumption that you WILL get caught no matter what precautions you take. Will it still be worth it? Then go from there.

A moving target is much harder to hit.

Raws are acquired.

Move to a new location and brew raws. Dismantle lab toss everything you have related to brewing.

Set up shop and sell off everything you have.

Move to new location........take plenty of time off and get more raws and start the whole process over again.

With a reshipper and perhaps 20 kilos that's more than enough for an individual to make a good living. By my calculations you could make $100,000/yr doing that.

 

[Villain]

A moving target is much harder to hit.

Raws are acquired.

Move to a new location and brew raws. Dismantle lab toss everything you have related to brewing.

Set up shop and sell off everything you have.

Move to new location........take plenty of time off and get more raws and start the whole process over again.

With a reshipper and perhaps 20 kilos that's more than enough for an individual to make a good living. By my calculations you could make $100,000/yr doing that.

I need this in my life.