Helping a 350lb friend

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

I would completely forget about drugs and focus on diet, training and a lot of cardio.. Take your time to learn..
Once these are nailed in he will have lost 80-100lbs anyway, then can start finer tweaking to get down even further, again by this time he will have built a solid base of muscle underneath and good ideology of training and what works best for him..

I would take this opportunity to get down to at least 12%-15% before even worrying about what the muscles are looking like.. Once at this Body fat he can either employ a mass routine or start a lean bulk.. This will be a long process but you will see the package start coming together within 6 months if done correctly..

Seriously my friend.. Your friend does not need any type of performance enhancing drug.. I'm going to guess that he come from a pretty unhealthy background so think about state of internal organs already.. These need a big break while he loses weight and takes even more stress off them..

 

[Liter O' Test]

Love how you avoid the fact that you also recommended a TRT for an obese..

men that are fat don't deserve healthy testosterone levels?

 

[krvuxn]

If he’s set on starting to use drugs, then I don’t see any reason to gate keep. True TRT test based on blood tests, a GLP, and progress pictures. He may also need help to learn how to eat well, eg a coach or a nutritionist. What’s common sense to some of us in regards to diet is not necessarily obvious to others.

Also another thought, injecting drugs won’t give him “motivation” if he doesn’t have it already.

 

[malfeasance]

I am not a coach or a trainer so I come to Meso for some advice for a friend of mine.

He is approximately 350 lbs and has never touched a needle (as he shouldn't) but just started working out with me as he has decided to change his life. He asked me a question i wasn't to sure how to answer.

He has been lifting weights with me and getting stronger as his lifts are going up but he is wondering if it is even worth it for him to preserve muscle at this weight. For me the easy answer is yes but he made a good point in saying, no matter how strong he gets right now. He is still unhealthy and wont be able to see the muscle he is putting on which is making him lose weight lifting motivation. He asked if it is better for him to just focus on diet and cardio to get as much weight off as possible. When he is at a healthy bf% get on a cycle or TRT and theoretically as a somewhat new lifter, he will be able to put most of the muscle he lost back on in a cycle or two. I don't know what his bf% is but he can't even lift two plates right now so I am assuming his lean body mass is pretty low.

Also I want to add that I have explained to him losing fat and weight on the scale can be different. But once again I couldn't fight back at him saying yes but at 350 it doesn't really matter and that is a better argument at 250.

The first thing to realize is that working out and weightlifting is not going to do the job.

He needs to change his nutrition.

Yes, resistance training is "worth it."

If he is "losing motivation" already, well . . .

Help him with his nutrition, but do not expect miracles. He has to want it more than you do.

He should be lifting, cardio, and nutrition, not one or two, but all three.

Plenty of obese folks have transformed before there ever were GLP-1 drugs and without steroids.

 

[Demondosage]

He has to want it more than you, talk is cheap and until he starts dropping major weight he’s just another fat guy talking out the side of his neck

 

[Apocalypzz]

men that are fat don't deserve healthy testosterone levels?

If you dont know the issue with that for an obese you’re just braindead.

 

[Apocalypzz]

men that are fat don't deserve healthy testosterone levels?

*"dont deserve big tits" you meant… he will be fat + with a gyno nice..

 

[17SS]

*"dont deserve big tits" you meant… he will be fat + with a gyno nice..

He may already have it so it would be a mute issue.

 

[HeatherSwanson]

Definitely, I think the main thing he needs to learn is patience. You don’t want to lose weight too fast, and you can preserve a lot of muscle just by not rushing, and really make huge impacts to overall health. Maybe he can try and think of it with this in mind. You want to get healthy, so lose weight in a healthy way, not just killing yourself with cardio in an unhealthy way. a lot of guys with high body fat severely overestimate how much muscle they actually have, and are surprised by how well a controlled well paced LONG diet with lifting keeps the lean tissue on naturally.

Certainly set small goals, first daily, then weekly and monthly. hit those first and then adjust. Keep the big picture in mind, but focus on the little wins and beating the every day challenges!

@Slowww says its a slow steady process, I agree.

 

[malfeasance]

I am not a coach or a trainer so I come to Meso for some advice for a friend of mine.

He is approximately 350 lbs and has never touched a needle (as he shouldn't) but just started working out with me as he has decided to change his life. He asked me a question i wasn't to sure how to answer.

He has been lifting weights with me and getting stronger as his lifts are going up but he is wondering if it is even worth it for him to preserve muscle at this weight. For me the easy answer is yes but he made a good point in saying, no matter how strong he gets right now. He is still unhealthy and wont be able to see the muscle he is putting on which is making him lose weight lifting motivation. He asked if it is better for him to just focus on diet and cardio to get as much weight off as possible. When he is at a healthy bf% get on a cycle or TRT and theoretically as a somewhat new lifter, he will be able to put most of the muscle he lost back on in a cycle or two. I don't know what his bf% is but he can't even lift two plates right now so I am assuming his lean body mass is pretty low.

Also I want to add that I have explained to him losing fat and weight on the scale can be different. But once again I couldn't fight back at him saying yes but at 350 it doesn't really matter and that is a better argument at 250.

I just noticed the original post is over two months old.



So . . . what happened?

 

[KernelPanicFrenzy]

Tirzepatide has helped me immensely. Got on TRT, using the doctor prescribed Androgel, manipulated the labs a bit and sit around 1600 test. (she was happy with 284...) Added 12.5 anavar 25mg proviron, built up to 4iu HGH and now adding 70mg primo.

Can ignore all that, but tirzepatide, and probably TRT

I feel its a good weight loss dose.

I have worked up to doing 45 minutes of cardio, aiming for 135 BPM multiple times a week and a 5x PPL split.

But I dont know shit from fuck so.

 

[knucklesamich]

A buddy of mine was sitting at 300 lbs, he dabbles in a lot of the things we like, but just has a problem with over eating. His problem is when he gets hungry, that's it, it's time to eat period and he just can't discipline himself into eating a little, it has to be a lot. He got Ozempic (semaglutide) from the doctor's office and they've been upping the dose a little bit at a time. He's at 1 mg now and I believe the max according to the doctors is 2.5 mgs.

A little bit at a time, he's been losing weight, and is down to 250 lbs. He lifts, not bad too, for just a lifestyle weight lifter kind. So weight lifting, cardio, and semaglutide has a been huge for him. He says the semaglutide causes this affect: Hunger still creeps in, but when he starts eating, very quickly he's full, and even the thought of eating more makes him nauseous. In his case, 3 out of 3 items is making it happen for him. The Ozempic has been a game changer though.

OP it is awesome that you are helping your friend, that's true friendship man, good job. Super awesome that the folks here will hash it out and try to provide an optimal plan, losing weight at a level like that is a real bitch.