The Over 40 Guy & Steroids

[shreddedwheat]

Hi,
I want get some opinions on guys over 40 and cycles. I'm 45 and have been bodybuilding on and off for about 15 years. About 12 years ago I went on a 12 week cycle of Deca & Winny with some reasonable results. Whilst I'm not where I was then in terms of physique, I'm still very fit; resting heart rate sub 50 and bloods all good and still reasonably muscular with about 10% BF. I've really been putting it in over the last 12 months and I've got the diet nailed. I want to go that extra yard and really get the tongues wagging. The guy I train with is 42 and he's just come off a 10 week cycle of Trenbolone (I think he said he had 50ml EOD. He looks phenomenal. What's your recommendation guys - bearing in mind I don't want "explode" with size. Cheers

 

[Smoky]

Test only cycle @ 500mg a week, if the joints are aging consider adding Deca.

 

[role model]

Hi,
I want get some opinions on guys over 40 and cycles. I'm 45 and have been bodybuilding on and off for about 15 years. About 12 years ago I went on a 12 week cycle of Deca & Winny with some reasonable results. Whilst I'm not where I was then in terms of physique, I'm still very fit; resting heart rate sub 50 and bloods all good and still reasonably muscular with about 10% BF. I've really been putting it in over the last 12 months and I've got the diet nailed. I want to go that extra yard and really get the tongues wagging. The guy I train with is 42 and he's just come off a 10 week cycle of Trenbolone (I think he said he had 50ml EOD. He looks phenomenal. What's your recommendation guys - bearing in mind I don't want "explode" with size. Cheers

I think you should try exactly what your buddy is doing. I did it myself and loved the results, I just used Tren e though instead of tren A. I was on 200mg Tren E every 5th day.

 

[dennis]

Hi,
I want get some opinions on guys over 40 and cycles. I'm 45 and have been bodybuilding on and off for about 15 years. About 12 years ago I went on a 12 week cycle of Deca & Winny with some reasonable results. Whilst I'm not where I was then in terms of physique, I'm still very fit; resting heart rate sub 50 and bloods all good and still reasonably muscular with about 10% BF. I've really been putting it in over the last 12 months and I've got the diet nailed. I want to go that extra yard and really get the tongues wagging. The guy I train with is 42 and he's just come off a 10 week cycle of Trenbolone (I think he said he had 50ml EOD. He looks phenomenal. What's your recommendation guys - bearing in mind I don't want "explode" with size. Cheers

First of all let me welcome you to Meso..and yes I am 43..and secondly delete what Smokey just posted.Your last cycle really concerns me..you did deca and stano and no test ???Did you follow with good pct ? And your levels are good now correct ? And 50 mls eod of tren will kill you..I think you meant 50 mgs..right ? I would suggest a cycle of tren enth and test enth front loaded with tren ace and test prop.This will give amazing results you are after if your diet really is in check..plus cardio and lifting..rest etc...

 

[advanced-stealth]

Good reply dennis.

First of all let me welcome you to Meso..and yes I am 43..and secondly delete what Smokey just posted.Your last cycle really concerns me..you did deca and stano and no test ???Did you follow with good pct ? And your levels are good now correct ? And 50 mls eod of tren will kill you..I think you meant 50 mgs..right ? I would suggest a cycle of tren enth and test enth front loaded with tren ace and test prop.This will give amazing results you are after if your diet really is in check..plus cardio and lifting..rest etc...

 

[shreddedwheat]

First of all let me welcome you to Meso..and yes I am 43..and secondly delete what Smokey just posted.Your last cycle really concerns me..you did deca and stano and no test ???Did you follow with good pct ? And your levels are good now correct ? And 50 mls eod of tren will kill you..I think you meant 50 mgs..right ? I would suggest a cycle of tren enth and test enth front loaded with tren ace and test prop.This will give amazing results you are after if your diet really is in check..plus cardio and lifting..rest etc...

Thanks for the welcome Dennis. In relation to the Deca Stano cycle, no I didn't follow up with good PCT; however everything is back to normal. I have produced two kids since. I'm sorry, I did mean 50mgs. Really appreciate your advice Dennis. Can you suggest dosages and PCT as well if that's o.k.? Cheers.

 

[smaretick]

I agree that for over 40, test is the way to go. I'm 55 and have been doing AAS for ~5 years.
The only other AAS I've tried is an oral (tbol & dbol) to kick start the cycle. Also for us old
guys, I think if you can go with a doctor-prescribed HRT program you're much better off.

 

[role model]

I agree that for over 40, test is the way to go. I'm 55 and have been doing AAS for ~5 years.
The only other AAS I've tried is an oral (tbol & dbol) to kick start the cycle. Also for us old
guys, I think if you can go with a doctor-prescribed HRT program you're much better off.

I think you must have misunderstood, he doesn't have low t levels to see a Dr. He wants to do a cycle that wont bloat him up to much and Tren hands down is the best thing he can use for that. Sure he can add test also to that. But orals are hard on the liver and should only be taken if his liver is in excellent shape.

 

[dennis]

I agree that for over 40, test is the way to go. I'm 55 and have been doing AAS for ~5 years.
The only other AAS I've tried is an oral (tbol & dbol) to kick start the cycle. Also for us old
guys, I think if you can go with a doctor-prescribed HRT program you're much better off.

Gosh ..terrible advice here ! TRT is the way to go ???/I strongly disagree with that..i would rather just run a cycle or two per year and regain my natural levels..than to be on trt for life.
Listen..everyones doses are different but if it were me..keep in mind I have many cycles under my belt already i would do something like this:
week 1-10 tren enth 400 mgs per week
week 1-10 test enth or cyp 600 mgs per week
first 14 days test prop 75 mgs eod
first 14 days tren ace 50 mgs eod
weeks 10 -12 test prop 75 mgs eod,tren ace 50 mgs eod
hcg run 500 ius every week entire cycle through week 12
week 12 start pct 6 weeks nolva 20 mgs per day..taper to 10 mgs ed last week

 

[RexRegum27]

First of all let me welcome you to Meso..and yes I am 43..and secondly delete what Smokey just posted.Your last cycle really concerns me..you did deca and stano and no test ???Did you follow with good pct ? And your levels are good now correct ? And 50 mls eod of tren will kill you..I think you meant 50 mgs..right ? I would suggest a cycle of tren enth and test enth front loaded with tren ace and test prop.This will give amazing results you are after if your diet really is in check..plus cardio and lifting..rest etc...

excellent recommendation.

 

[smaretick]

Gosh ..terrible advice here ! TRT is the way to go ???/I strongly disagree with that..i would rather just run a cycle or two per year and regain my natural levels..than to be on trt for life.
Listen..everyones doses are different but if it were me..keep in mind I have many cycles under my belt already i would do something like this:
week 1-10 tren enth 400 mgs per week
week 1-10 test enth or cyp 600 mgs per week
first 14 days test prop 75 mgs eod
first 14 days tren ace 50 mgs eod
weeks 10 -12 test prop 75 mgs eod,tren ace 50 mgs eod
hcg run 500 ius every week entire cycle through week 12
week 12 start pct 6 weeks nolva 20 mgs per day..taper to 10 mgs ed last week

I can only speak from my personal experience. First, I prefer to get my test legally, if at all possible. Second, I also have a medical issue that prevents my body from producing the testosterone I need (i.e., pituitary & hypothalmus damage resulting from an auto accident that caused a TBI). Third, I am 55 yo, so recognize that even w/o the physical problem I would probably not produce an optimum amount of test.
The fact is, that in normal males, testosterone production begins to decline at 40 yo.
Would I be better off doing a more complete cycle as described above? Yes, I'm sure I would. However current circumstances force me to go a more minimalist route.
Sorry if I mislead anyone with my advice; obviously I should have done a better job of qualifying my remarks.

 

[jsupstarz]

I can only speak from my personal experience. First, I prefer to get my test legally, if at all possible. Second, I also have a medical issue that prevents my body from producing the testosterone I need (i.e., pituitary & hypothalmus damage resulting from an auto accident that caused a TBI). Third, I am 55 yo, so recognize that even w/o the physical problem I would probably not produce an optimum amount of test.
The fact is, that in normal males, testosterone production begins to decline at 40 yo.
Would I be better off doing a more complete cycle as described above? Yes, I'm sure I would. However current circumstances force me to go a more minimalist route.
Sorry if I mislead anyone with my advice; obviously I should have done a better job of qualifying my remarks.

if he's test is ok, he won't get trt, sooo..........ok

 

[Barbender]

Question for guys over 40 on this site. I have never done a cycle before in my life. Have been training naturally for almost 20 years. However lately I have been experiencing severe tendinitis in both arms, decrease in strength, lack of motivation to train and lower sex drive. Would doing a cycle at my age (40) be a problem or would it help? I bought the the Anabolics book and have been cruising this site for the last year or so trying to decide. I am curious as to wether or not the benefits would out weigh the risks. I am not looking to explode in size but would like to make some gains, heal up faster and improve my intensity. I am currently 5,10 220lbs. Thanks in advance.

 

[dennis]

Question for guys over 40 on this site. I have never done a cycle before in my life. Have been training naturally for almost 20 years. However lately I have been experiencing severe tendinitis in both arms, decrease in strength, lack of motivation to train and lower sex drive. Would doing a cycle at my age (40) be a problem or would it help? I bought the the Anabolics book and have been cruising this site for the last year or so trying to decide. I am curious as to wether or not the benefits would out weigh the risks. I am not looking to explode in size but would like to make some gains, heal up faster and improve my intensity. I am currently 5,10 220lbs. Thanks in advance.

Barbender..you should have started a new post for these questions..i will answer some of them for you :The tendonitis is a real problem..first you need to address this problem..steroids will not help but make this worse.You have lifted too much weight and hurt the tendons.After rehab of the tendons and they are 100 % I would recomend a simple cycle of sustanon @ 500 mgs per week for 10-12 weeks..or just a basic test enth or cyp 500 mgs per week @ 10-12 weeks.Your strength will increase,your motivation should increase,and your sex drive will go through the roof..unless you have other underlying problems.you already have good size...sounds to me that a break from the gym might be what you need.It will allow elbows to heal and it should recharge your batteries again making you crave the gym.It will also give tendons time to heal.

 

[Barbender]

Thanks Dennis appreciate the info. Next time will post this seperately but I posted this here because of the over 40 thing. Any idea how long to heal the tendons? I am nervous about taking too much time off but also realize the pain in my tendons is very bad so perhaps I have no choice. Again info was very helpfull and will take it into consideration once things have healed up. Regards

 

[Okiewan]

Thanks Dennis appreciate the info. Next time will post this seperately but I posted this here because of the over 40 thing. Any idea how long to heal the tendons? I am nervous about taking too much time off but also realize the pain in my tendons is very bad so perhaps I have no choice. Again info was very helpfull and will take it into consideration once things have healed up. Regards

What he's saying is that it's not cool to hijack someone else's thread.

 

[dennis]

Thanks Dennis appreciate the info. Next time will post this seperately but I posted this here because of the over 40 thing. Any idea how long to heal the tendons? I am nervous about taking too much time off but also realize the pain in my tendons is very bad so perhaps I have no choice. Again info was very helpfull and will take it into consideration once things have healed up. Regards

First off..is the tendonitis in your elbows?Do you know what exercise caused it ?has doctor looked at it ?The reason i recomend you laying off gym for awhile is it sounds to me that you are burned out.If it is your elbows it might take 8 weeks or longer to heal.you could go heavy legs in the mean time or other body parts that do not aggravate the elbows.it took me 8-9 months to get over my tendonitis because i was stupid and tried to work through the pain.

 

[Smoky]

Dennis I can't wait till you age a little more, then maybe you will understand aging a little more. Your posts should be deleted based on the irregularity of your comments. You make me laugh. I am turning 51 and understand just where you are headed. Even you later recommend 500mg Test after you deny my post. Make up your mind. I give my opinion based on my personal aging experience nothing more. A small run of Deca like 200mg a week will not cause any bloat. The benefit to collagen production and joint health is a plus. Keep the diet tight and eliminate all salts the best one can. Drink fluids (water like there is no tomorrow)

 

[jsupstarz]

dennis it is substaton![)]

 

[shreddedwheat]

Hey Barbender,
I know where you're coming from. I'm 45 and I was in exactly the same boat as you - tennis elbow in both arms. Dennis is right; you need to rehabilitate the tendons. You need to see a sports doctor. There are several options; you can get a cortisone injection (this only masks the pain so you can continue to train - and do more damage) or you can undertake a stretching/strengthening regime. I found that taking some time off and training legs & abs and doing cardio woked for me; together with the rehab of the injuries. Think of it this way - you need to take two steps back to go four steps forward. Oh and by the way, I'm about to embark on a 12 week cycle of Test enyth and EQ. Good luck mate.