The Over 40 Guy & Steroids

[Dr JIM]

Hi,
I want get some opinions on guys over 40 and cycles. I'm 45 and have been bodybuilding on and off for about 15 years. About 12 years ago I went on a 12 week cycle of Deca & Winny with some reasonable results. Whilst I'm not where I was then in terms of physique, I'm still very fit; resting heart rate sub 50 and bloods all good and still reasonably muscular with about 10% BF. I've really been putting it in over the last 12 months and I've got the diet nailed. I want to go that extra yard and really get the tongues wagging. The guy I train with is 42 and he's just come off a 10 week cycle of Trenbolone (I think he said he had 50ml EOD. He looks phenomenal. What's your recommendation guys - bearing in mind I don't want "explode" with size. Cheers

If your not suffering from DJD at present it will likely become manifest especially if you push the upper limits of YOUR maximum WEIGHT and to a lesser degree REPS!

If your joints are already squealing like a pig, remain "moderate weight and moderate reps". You can add any AAS which aromatizes to diminish joint symptoms and Testosterone is just as good as any other. I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST A TT ONLY CYCLE as your first. Chances are you will be surprised by the difference using only ONE AAS can make ESPECIALLY if your TT is already below 3-400!

How much? Between 250-500mg/wk is more than adequate IME

BUT BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING OBTAIN BASELINE LABS:
and include a: TT, E-2, LH at the minimum
whether any other labs are needed depends upon how long you intend to cycle in the LONG RUN.

However since your probably like most, and will soon discover "hey Johnny I think he like it" the following should also be obtained.
CBC
Chem Profile
LFT's
Lipid profile

GOOD LUCK fella
jim

 

[Dr JIM]

Barbender..you should have started a new post for these questions..i will answer some of them for you :The tendonitis is a real problem..first you need to address this problem..steroids will not help but make this worse.You have lifted too much weight and hurt the tendons.After rehab of the tendons and they are 100 % I would recomend a simple cycle of sustanon @ 500 mgs per week for 10-12 weeks..or just a basic test enth or cyp 500 mgs per week @ 10-12 weeks.

Your strength will increase,your motivation should increase,and your sex drive will go through the roof..unless you have other underlying problems.you already have good size...sounds to me that a break from the gym might be what you need.It will allow elbows to heal and it should recharge your batteries again making you crave the gym.It will also give tendons time to heal.

THAT IS SOME OUTSTANDING ADVICE !!!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

THAT IS SOME OUTSTANDING ADVICE !!!

It sure is. It's too bad it came 8 years too late.

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh your predisposition towards pessimistic realism CBS, tarnishes any hope you may one day convert to optimistic skepticism, the latter is often equated to the glass is half full rather than empty analogy.

Is this forum finally getting the better of you? Hmm how long has it been since you took a REAL VACATION my friend, lol!

 

[Colt44]

Oh your predisposition towards pessimistic realism CBS, tarnishes any hope you may one day convert to optimistic skepticism, the latter is often equated to the glass is half full rather than empty analogy.

Is this forum finally getting the better of you? Hmm how long has it been since you took a REAL VACATION my friend, lol!

Probably about the same time this thread was bumped..so 2007ish?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Oh your predisposition towards pessimistic realism CBS, tarnishes any hope you may one day convert to optimistic skepticism, the latter is often equated to the glass is half full rather than empty analogy.

Optimistic skepticism sounds like an oxymoron. Besides, optimism is just another word for delusion thinking. And pessimistic realism sound like depressed thinking. How about uncommitted realism?

Is this forum finally getting the better of you? Hmm how long has it been since you took a REAL VACATION my friend, lol!

I'm optimistically skeptical about that happening some day soon.

 

[Dr JIM]

LOL, I believed the bump was from someone interested in clarifying the issue of AAS tendons, joints, cartilage etc.

It's amazing how frequently this question arises on Meso and no doubt other AAS forums. It's a classic example of "bro lore" that just won't die!

 

[Dr JIM]

Optimistic skepticism sounds like an oxymoron. Besides, optimism is just another word for delusion thinking. And pessimistic realism sound like depressed thinking. How about uncommitted realism?



I'm optimistically skeptical about that happening some day soon.

Why of course it's an oxy yet serves it's purpose as a means to an ends, which is to ensure your still AWAKE and not yet defeated

 

[Seve]

Question for guys over 40 on this site. I have never done a cycle before in my life. Have been training naturally for almost 20 years. However lately I have been experiencing severe tendinitis in both arms, decrease in strength, lack of motivation to train and lower sex drive. Would doing a cycle at my age (40) be a problem or would it help? I bought the the Anabolics book and have been cruising this site for the last year or so trying to decide. I am curious as to wether or not the benefits would out weigh the risks. I am not looking to explode in size but would like to make some gains, heal up faster and improve my intensity. I am currently 5,10 220lbs. Thanks in advance.

 

[Seve]

I am at 40 now and just did my first cycle six months ago, and the answer is hell yes. I really think 500 mg of test a week is badass. I started out with prop then ran it out with cypionate with great results.

 

[Jason Tirre]

Anything else heal tendinitis. How about growth hormone??

 

[Dr JIM]

In the absence of well defined disease the body heals itself, if we let it.

Discontinuing or modifying those activities that worsen the symptoms of “tendinitis” is the
most reliable means of achieving
a “cure”.

As for GH, the risk exceedes whatever benefit there may be IMO.

 

[Dr JIM]

As a follow up here's a promotional take on the use of HGH from a cite that SELLS products intended to accelerate endogenous GH production. The research listed to support their views involved a "colitis" rat study.

Also of note this site NEVER lists a link or a complete reference to the "Denmark study" in spite of mentioning this "evidence" on multiple occasions, instead electing to list a number of individual anecdotes as proof of their products efficacy.

The second RAT study was published in the Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery a WELL recognized orthopedic peer review journal. In this study the use of HGH resulted in a diminished post-operative RTC healing rate, regardless of the dose used.

Careful what you read on the WWW about HGH bc much of it is chalked full of SALES bias.

JIM

 

[ScabbyJr]

Watch your prostate.

 

[NewTEX]

I'm 48 and in total beast mode fellas! Just listen to your body and go for it.

 

[Dr JIM]

I'm 48 and in total beast mode fellas! Just listen to your body and go for it.

Primarily bc of a reasonably well established age related reduction in cardio-pulmonary reserve, IME the risk of PED use increases considerably after roughly age 40.

In addition many folk who are at risk
fail to manifest objective symptoms or signs of cardiac disease and for this reason alone the ACC/AHA recommends cardiac risk stratification before these patients (> 40-50 years depending cardiac RF) begin a new strenuous exercise routine.

Jim

 

[NewTEX]

Primarily bc of a reasonably well established age related reduction in cardio-pulmonary reserve, IME the risk of PED use increases considerably after roughly age 40.

Jim

Thanks Doc,,,I'm just calling it my mid life crisis.But I feel great.

 

[Dr JIM]

Thanks Doc,,,I'm just calling it my mid life crisis.But I feel great.

Crisis or not “a man needs to know his limitations” bc attempts at ignoring age related physiologic changes can be MUCH worse.

IME exclusive of legit TRT, the risks of PED use for someone your age far exceed the benefit.

 

[NewTEX]

All kidding aside,,I totally understand and agree with you.it truly is a dangerous game we play in the name of vanity.Buying a compound off the internet,,and injecting it into our bodies to become bigger,faster,stronger,,there's folks out there that would have me committed.

 

[Throwback]

Question for guys over 40 on this site. I have never done a cycle before in my life. Have been training naturally for almost 20 years. However lately I have been experiencing severe tendinitis in both arms, decrease in strength, lack of motivation to train and lower sex drive. Would doing a cycle at my age (40) be a problem or would it help? I bought the the Anabolics book and have been cruising this site for the last year or so trying to decide. I am curious as to wether or not the benefits would out weigh the risks. I am not looking to explode in size but would like to make some gains, heal up faster and improve my intensity. I am currently 5,10 220lbs. Thanks in advance.

5'10 @220

Question for guys over 40 on this site. I have never done a cycle before in my life. Have been training naturally for almost 20 years. However lately I have been experiencing severe tendinitis in both arms, decrease in strength, lack of motivation to train and lower sex drive. Would doing a cycle at my age (40) be a problem or would it help? I bought the the Anabolics book and have been cruising this site for the last year or so trying to decide. I am curious as to wether or not the benefits would out weigh the risks. I am not looking to explode in size but would like to make some gains, heal up faster and improve my intensity. I am currently 5,10 220lbs. Thanks in advance.

First...5'10 at 220 is pretty good size already.
Whats your bf %.....pic?
Get some bloodwork to determine where u stand now....tt...e2...lipids etc.
Based on symptoms your test levels may have fallen off....or it may be something else. Daily schedules...stress....dietary...lack of sleep.
Your joint issues or tendon problems are gonna require some rest to heal.
Then u may have to change up your training and incorporate higher rep lower weight...to failure...rather than heavy sets with low reps for awhile.
If its your first cycle and all of the above checks out...including sub 16%.. or close to that...body fat.
Then a really basic 500mg/week..test e cycle will work really well and get you along toward your stated goal.
Its all you will need.
Get the bloodwork first....