The wife finally decided to jump on board.

[xgunx]

Placebo is a hell of drug isn't it?

I dunno if it's placebo or not. It doesn't make them like horny, but gets the blood flowing down there. Also seems to take much more for women. There is several studies and all that women viagra is, is a high dose of men's viagra.

 

[malfeasance]

I gotta figure out her diet so she doesn't try starving herself. I'm used to just killing 5000 to 6000 calories per day and having a fast metabolism. Her I actually have to figure out how to get the right stuff into 1500 to 2000 calories. She is 5'5" 160lbs usually she is 135lbs but since the pandemic she has gained weight.

One key is to get protein high. My wife is a wellness competitor, and she is smaller than your wife, and she takes in 200 grams of protein a day.

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

One key is to get protein high. My wife is a wellness competitor, and she is smaller than your wife, and she takes in 200 grams of protein a day.

Maybe 200g is too much but that's the key.
A lot of protein. A lot.

 

[xgunx]

One key is to get protein high. My wife is a wellness competitor, and she is smaller than your wife, and she takes in 200 grams of protein a day.

Would you mind giving an example of what she eats over a couple days?

 

[malfeasance]

It is pretty much the same thing every day. Breakfast is usually eggs (mainly egg whites) and oats, but lately she has been doing ground turkey and rice for breakfast in a bowl. Subsequent meals are ground turkey or grilled chicken and rice or sweet potato or potato. She usually has plenty of "salad" type greens throughout the day, and some of the meals are just chicken with salad and no carbs. If she has room in her macros at night she might get a little greek yogurt for bedtime.

Every once in a while she does red meat (something she really likes). Tonight we are having London Broil.

It is not infrequent that I have to get on to her about getting more calories in, and she is bringing grilled chicken and rice to bed instead. LOL!

 

[malfeasance]

It is working, by the way. She is putting size on her legs and butt, which is what matters in wellness. She is not liking the process, though. She prefers less calories. Seeing results has her sticking to the program, though.

FYI she always keeps protein high, especially when cutting (which she is not doing right now, her next contest is not until the fall)

 

[malfeasance]

I got her to do a little ice cream in a tea cup the other night (I am such a bad influence!)

 

[xgunx]

It is working, by the way. She is putting size on her legs and butt, which is what matters in wellness. She is not liking the process, though. She prefers less calories. Seeing results has her sticking to the program, though.

FYI she always keeps protein high, especially when cutting (which she is not doing right now, her next contest is not until the fall)

About how many calories does she aim for

 

[malfeasance]

2400, but she is not cutting. She is adding leg and butt size. Note that this amount of calories from clean sources is very difficult for her.

Anybody can eat 2400 made up of Little Debbie Swiss Rolls.

 

[xgunx]

It is working, by the way. She is putting size on her legs and butt, which is what matters in wellness. She is not liking the process, though. She prefers less calories. Seeing results has her sticking to the program, though.

FYI she always keeps protein high, especially when cutting (which she is not doing right now, her next contest is not until the fall)

This is why I'm trying to take it pretty serious. I know she will stick to it seeing the results she wants. That also means she will keep pushing me.

 

[xgunx]

2400, but she is not cutting. She is adding leg and butt size. Note that this amount of calories from clean sources is very difficult for her.

Anybody can eat 2400 made up of Little Debbie Swiss Rolls.

Exactly.

My wife has size already and honestly it looks good on her she's very blessed in that department but she doesn't have much muscle anymore. So I guess it will need to be a little bit less on calories. She can lose weight easily and drop back to 135 from 160 just dieting (she does it often) but this time she will be trying to build muscle.

This is the first time she has taken my advice. She used to always starve herself, 1500 or less calories and do lots of cardio only.

 

[Daisy]

2 top advices for you:

Wouldn’t let her run Clen, heart wise

Would put her on 2iu ED HGH upon waking before cardio... HGH is good, HGH loves everyone (if legit)

2 top advices for you:

Wouldn’t let her run Clen, heart wise

Would put her on 2iu ED HGH upon waking before cardio... HGH is good, HGH loves everyone (if legit)

Love HGH, I like to take it at night, and I thought I read it was better to take at night, but I recently switched back to taking in the am. Not sure if it makes a difference.

 

[xgunx]

Love HGH, I like to take it at night, and I thought I read it was better to take at night, but I recently switched back to taking in the am. Not sure if it makes a difference.

Thats kool. I'll eventually get to that but we have to get the rest of her ducks in a row before we start adding stuff. It will take a little bit to source some good stuff. Var, hgh and whatever goodies I through in for myself. I think the first hurdle is going to be getting her on a low calorie high protein diet. If I don't watch her everyday atleast in the beginning she will eat nothing basically. She's not big on junk really, we just like good southern food.

 

[RomanMVP]

Along with the anavar suggestion, I find a number of women do very well with winstrol, I would say she'll build more power with it. She could always alternate the 2. Just make sure you have some liver protection for her. Considering the safety of staying injury free, and since she's specifically BBing, i.e. not powerlifting, make sure she's moving resistance at a controlled slower tempo. And burn the shit out of each bodypart, similar to Gironda's old 8X8, or a shortened version of GVT. Secret ingredient when she's not training? REST! She'll grow. Take a few before pics and document her progress as she goes along. And don't forget to pull her back from that 2-3 hrs. business, tell her when she rests, she grows!

 

[Norse13]

My wife never found much success with anavar but much prefer primo acetate tablets instead.

Ramping up. First 5-7 days 25mg, next 7 days 50mg, then 4-6 weeks at 75mg per day.
She much prefer tablets to injections, don't know why it's more popular to inject slow primo enanthate than it is to eat fast primo ace.

She's done about 4 cycles of that previously (plus other cycles of var and tbol) and just started a new one.

After this one, she'll have a go at dbol, lots of logs showing that it's perhaps much less virilizing than prevopusly thought.

To this date she has zero virilization except slightly grown clit. No permanent voice change.

She's done a mix of bodybuilding (wellness) and powerlifting but is totally dropping the powerlifting now. She deadlifted 2.3 x bodyweight and squat 1.6 x bodyweight after about half year of focused training. Now she just want to grow that ass and legs and don't worry about injuries from heavy lifting.

 

[malfeasance]

Injectable is always safer and healthier than an oral due to the changes that must be made to the hormone for it to be bioavailable via "eating." Oral steroids work the liver as it breaks down the "chemistry" that lets the drug survive long enough to reach the receptors it needs to reach to grow muscle.

Androgenic Steroids - LiverTox - NCBI Bookshelf

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Injectable is always safer and healthier than an oral due to the changes that must be made to the hormone for it to be bioavailable via "eating." Oral steroids work the liver as it breaks down the "chemistry" that lets the drug survive long enough to reach the receptors it needs to reach to grow muscle.

Androgenic Steroids - LiverTox - NCBI Bookshelf

Do you think injectable alkylated c17 won’t go to liver just as swallowed ones? I think injectable could be more toxic since maybe they could pass 2 times instead of one... don’t know

 

[xgunx]

Do you think injectable alkylated c17 won’t go to liver just as swallowed ones? I think injectable could be more toxic since maybe they could pass 2 times instead of one... don’t know

Man it's been so long since I read that stuff last. I thought it was the other way around though. Basically 1 step less or one pass less through the liver when injecting. I could be totally wrong here. Thought it was along the lines of oral have to be processed coming and going and injections are just on the way out. Certainly something I should freshen up on.

 

[Norse13]

Injectable is always safer and healthier than an oral due to the changes that must be made to the hormone for it to be bioavailable via "eating." Oral steroids work the liver as it breaks down the "chemistry" that lets the drug survive long enough to reach the receptors it needs to reach to grow muscle.

Androgenic Steroids - LiverTox - NCBI Bookshelf

Ok, conceptually, orals are absorbed by the stomach into the bloodstream and then shortly thereafter this blood passes through the liver before it circulates in the rest of the body. Jabbing it in the ass skips the liver on the first pass, as it enters the bloodstream downstream of the liver. And as you say, some changes are usually made to orals (anavar, anadrol, winstrol, tbol) to make them survive the first liver pass, usually C17-alkylation.

However Primobolan is not C17-alkylated and has very low liver toxicity.

How does the liver toxicity of a woman-dosed cycle of primo compared to having a few Gin & Tonic? I really don't know...

I suspect the liver toxicity of primo is minimal, but if I'm wrong, I'm happy to be corrected and learn something new.

I do think that for most women, shorter esters are preferable to long esters, in terms of reducing overall cycle length and the ability to rapidly adjust dosage (or bail out).

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Many Inj orals contains Guaiacol and other shit... think about that instead of other little things