Think DNP Can Be Used Safely? Think Again

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It's the time of year when bodybuilders start looking for ways to shed body fat and the interest for many invariably turns to DNP. There are articles on the internet that suggest DNP can be used safely if you're smart about it. Nothing could be further from the truth. DNP is a poison that has lead to cataracts, renal failure and deaths due to hyperthermia. It has an extremely narrow therapeutic index, i.e. the dose of DNP required to induce weight loss is very close to its lethal dose. In addition, its effects are unpredictable. A dose that was well tolerated in a previous cycle might not be tolerated on the next. As the use of DNP continues to gain in popularity, the death rate will continue to climb. There is no safe dose of DNP.

The first two studies below note the dosage of DNP in which deaths have occurred. These dosages are the same dosages currently being advertised as safe and the ones most often used by bodybuilders.
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According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, deaths have occurred in people who ingested 3--46 mg of dinitrophenols per kg of body weight per day (3-46 mg/kg/day) for short periods or 1--4 mg/kg/day for long periods.

Reports of DNP poisoning related to weight loss appear to be becoming more common. McFee et al. (13) reported the death of a 22-year-old male 16 h after his last DNP dose, estimated at 600 mg/day over four days for weight loss.



Journal of Analytical Toxicology, Vol. 30, April 2006

Case Report
Two Deaths Attributed to the Use of 2,4-Dinitrophenol
Estuardo J. Miranda 1, lain M. Mclntyre 2, Dawn R. Parker 2, Ray D. Gary 2, and Barry K. Logan TM


We report the cases of two individuals, one in Tacoma, WA, and
the second in San Diego, CA, whose deaths were attributed to
ingestion of 2,4-dinitrophenol (2,4-DNP). 2,4-DNP has historically
been used as a herbicide and fungicide. By uncoupling
mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation, the drug causes a
marked increase in fat metabolism that has led to its use to aid
weight loss. Both cases reported here involved its use for this
purpose. Features common to both cases included markedly
elevated body temperature, rapid pulse and respiration, yellow
coloring of the viscera at autopsy, history of use of weight loss or
body building supplements, and presence of a yellow powder at
the decedent's residence. Because of its acidic nature, the drug is
not detected in the basic drug fraction of most analytical protocols,
but it is recovered in the acid/neutral fraction of biological extracts
and can be measured by high-performance liquid chromatography
or gas chromatography-mass spectrometry. The concentration
of 2,4-DNP in the admission blood samples of the two deaths
reported here were 36.1 and 28 rag/L, respectively. Death in both
cases was attributed to 2,4-DNP toxicity. Review of information
available on the internet suggests that, although banned,
2,4-DNP is still illicitly promoted for weight loss.
Introduction


[In the paper below, McFee et al. reported the death of a 22-year-old male 16 h after his last DNP dose, estimated at 600 mg/day over four days.]

Vet Hum Toxicol. 2004 Oct;46(5):251-4.
Dying to be thin: a dinitrophenol related fatality.
McFee RB1, Caraccio TR, McGuigan MA, Reynolds SA, Bellanger P.

Abstract
2, 4-dinitrophenol (DNP) was originally used as an explosive and later introduced in the 1930's to stimulate metabolism and promote weight loss. It's also a component of pesticides still available globally. Concerns about hyperpyrexia lead to DNP being banned as a dietary aid in 1938. A 22-y-old male presented to the Emergency Department (ED) with a change in mental status 16 h after his last dose of DNP. On admission he was diaphoretic and febrile with an oral temperature of 102 F, but lucid and cooperative. He became agitated and delirious. Intravenous midazolam was initiated with mechanical cooling. Pancuronium was administered later and the patient was intubated. Over the next hour the patient became bradycardic, then asystolic, and despite resuscitative efforts, died. Advertisements claim DNP safe at the dose our patient ingested. It is widely available and with the potential to cause severe toxicity is an understudied public health concern.



Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology 48 (2007) 115–1
Dinitrophenol and obesity: An early twentieth-century regulatory dilemma
Eric Colman

Abstract

In the early 1930s, the industrial chemical dinitrophenol found widespread favor as a weight-loss drug, due principally to the work of Maurice Tainter, a clinical pharmacologist from Stanford University. Unfortunately the compound’s therapeutic index was razor thin and it was not until thousands of people suffered irreversible harm that mainstream physicians realized that dinitrophenol’s risks outweighed its benefits and abandoned its use. Yet, it took passage of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act in 1938 before federal regulators had the ability to stop patent medicine men from selling dinitrophenol to Americans lured by the promise of a drug that would safely melt one’s fat away.


Cyril MacBryde, a physiologist from Washington University School of Medicine, reported ‘‘alarming functional changes’’ indicative of liver, heart, and muscle toxicity in his obese patients treated with small doses of dinitrophenol (MacBryde and Taussig, 1935).

But some physicians continued to believe that the drug was a reasonable therapeutic option for obese patients recalcitrant to dietary intervention when used in the properdose and under the care of a knowledgeable physician. Even this position, however, became untenable when young women taking therapeutic doses of dinitrophenol under the supervision of physicians started going blind (Horner et al., 1935). If the estimate of one San Francisco ophthalmologist is accurate, during a two and a half year span, as many as 2500 Americans may have lost their sight due to what became known as ‘‘dinitrophenol cataracts’’ (Horner, 1936).



Australas J Dermatol. 2014 Nov 4. doi: 10.1111/ajd.12237. [Epub ahead of print]
Cutaneous drug toxicity from 2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP): Case report and histological description.
Le P1, Wood B, Kumarasinghe SP.

Abstract
The use of 2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP) has regained popularity as a weight loss aid in the last two decades due to increased marketing to bodybuilders and the increasing availability of this banned substance via the Internet. 2,4-DNP is a drug of narrow therapeutic index and toxicity results in hyperthermia, diaphoresis, tachycardia, tachypnoea and possible cardiac arrest and death. Skin toxicity from 2,4-DNP has not been reported since the 1930s. We report a case of a 21-year-old bodybuilding enthusiast who presented with a toxic exanthem after taking 2,4-DNP, and describe the first skin biopsy findings in a case of 2,4-DNP toxicity.
 
Lets not use the word safe, SAFE is the wording of the OP whom isn't around because he doesn't know how to back up his own statements and is out investigating labs.


I know you're busy spamming other threads but try to keep up, Sworder.

CBS does not need to make a case. He presented evidence of risk.

He does not need to prove that there is no safe dosage. He does not need to prove that @Docd187123 ' s harm reduction measures are ineffective.

(1) You have made the claim that there is a safe dosage of DNP and that this dosage is known.

(2) @Docd187123 made the claim that for the effectiveness of proposed harm reduction measures.

The burden is on you and @Docd187123

This is how it works. I'd like to see you both make a strong case.

Yes, and saying there is NO safe dose should be seen as a claim of opinion because such a claim is unjustifiable. Logic and reason can only be applied to that which exists, not to that which doesn't exist. I cannot possibly prove there is no safe dosage as that would require me to be omniscient. If you don't agree with my opinion, show me the safe dosage. Don't ask me to prove something that is impossible. My statement should be taken as a challenge to prove me wrong.

Logic 101
 
When DNP was originally banned, what was it "treating?"

Aaaaaahh I see where your going with this now :)

Well we know that the FDA considers the 1% risk of cataracts to be too high for the treatment of obesity and/or simply to lose weight.

Will it think the same for the treatment of T2D, NASH, etc?
IMO yes.

Consider a point you made earlier - what has the FDA done in order to be proactive about the importance of weight maintenance in relation to many health conditions that obesity causes?
Now with that answer in mind are you confident that the treatment of these conditions, most of which arise due to obesity, will convince the FDA that the benefit is worth the risk?

Of course this is all hypothetical, we have no idea whether this modified version causes cataracts or not.
 
Consider a point you made earlier - what has the FDA done in order to be proactive about the importance of weight maintenance in relation to many health conditions that obesity causes?
Now with that answer in mind are you confident that the treatment of these conditions, most of which arise due to obesity, will convince the FDA that the benefit is worth the risk?
Of course this is all hypothetical, we have no idea whether this modified version causes cataracts or not.
No, if the treatment is for weight loss it is seen as "cosmetic" most the time. Even if they are morbidly obese I know they wouldn't consider DNP as there are other drugs or methods to treat obesity with less risk.
 
When DNP was originally banned, what was it "treating?"

Just look at two things:
What is it treating(and the risk if it goes untreated) and what are the risks of the drug.


It was used to treat obesity which you just said results in heart disease, and that
"Heart disease is still number 1 on cause of death."

Sounds like the risks of not treating obesity are pretty high, huh? In fact, they're extraordinarily high. Yet the FDA still removed the drug from market because they believed the risks were too great - even if it could prevent the number one cause of death. Interesting.

Heart disease is still number 1 on cause of death but nothing is done(from my point of view) to tell fat people whom are abusing their own heart to lose weight and stop the intentional suicide they are committing.

Heroin addicts are frowned upon as they are hurting themselves and poisoning their body. But a fat ass at McDonald's with high cholesterol eating more burgers is fine. From statistics, who is larger risk of death. Heroin addict or Fat Ass at McDonald's?
 
It was used to treat obesity which you just said results in heart disease, and that
"Heart disease is still number 1 on cause of death."
Sounds like the risks of not treating obesity are pretty high, huh? In fact, they're extraordinarily high. Yet the FDA still removed the drug from market because they believed the risks were too great - even if it could prevent the number one cause of death. Interesting.
What are you talking about?
FYI: There is more than one drug or method out there to treat obesity buddy!!!

For one, stop eating so much LOL. No sane doctor would prescribe DNP instead of telling the patient stop eating and start moving your ass.
 
It was used to treat obesity which you just said results in heart disease, and that
"Heart disease is still number 1 on cause of death."

Sounds like the risks of not treating obesity are pretty high, huh? In fact, they're extraordinarily high. Yet the FDA still removed the drug from market because they believed the risks were too great - even if it could prevent the number one cause of death. Interesting.

Yes and one can argue, from Jim's conspiracy side at least, that they did so so this new formula (time released) can be patented whereas I'm guessing DNP can't anymore.....
 
So would you consider this as evidence that shows DNP being safe? I mean if they're saying the time release properties is what helps make it a "safe and effective therapy" then you could accomplish similar results with dosage restriction as I think RippedZilla pointed out.

The safety part I think they're talking about toxicity for humans. This part has nothing to do with rats.


Could you show me where in the study the "safety part [you] think they're talking about toxicity for humans" applies to "DNP" specifically, because that's what you're implying and I don't see it? All I see is "mild hepatic mitochondrial uncoupling may be a safe and effective therapy for the related epidemics of metabolic syndrome, T2D, and NASH."

Here, I'll quote it for you so you don't have to go back and look it up:

"These data offer proof of concept that mild hepatic mitochondrial uncoupling may be a safe and effective therapy for the related epidemics of metabolic syndrome, T2D, and NASH."
 
Could you show me where in the study the "safety part [you] think they're talking about toxicity for humans" applies to "DNP" specifically, because that's what you're implying and I don't see it? All I see is "mild hepatic mitochondrial uncoupling may be a safe and effective therapy for the related epidemics of metabolic syndrome, T2D, and NASH."

Here, I'll quote it for you so you don't have to go back and look it up:

"These data offer proof of concept that mild hepatic mitochondrial uncoupling may be a safe and effective therapy for the related epidemics of metabolic syndrome, T2D, and NASH."

Well there you go again with your selectivity and cherry picking. Look at the beginning of the study:

The mitochondrial protonophore 2,4 dinitrophenol (DNP) has beneficial effects on NAFLD, insulin resistance, and obesity in preclinical models but is too toxic for clinical use. We developed a controlled-release oral formulation of DNP, called CRMP (controlled-release mitochondrial protonophore), that produces mild hepatic mitochondrial uncoupling.


^^^ too toxic for clinical use. Do you think they're talking about using DNP "clinically" on rats CBS :rolleyes: Or would they be talking about human "clinical" use?

Then follow that with the part you actually did quote here

These data offer proof of concept that mild hepatic mitochondrial uncoupling may be a safe and effective therapy for the related epidemics of metabolic syndrome, T2D, and NASH."
 
Well there you go again with your selectivity and cherry picking. Look at the beginning of the study:

The mitochondrial protonophore 2,4 dinitrophenol (DNP) has beneficial effects on NAFLD, insulin resistance, and obesity in preclinical models but is too toxic for clinical use. We developed a controlled-release oral formulation of DNP, called CRMP (controlled-release mitochondrial protonophore), that produces mild hepatic mitochondrial uncoupling.


^^^ too toxic for clinical use. Do you think they're talking about using DNP "clinically" on rats CBS :rolleyes: Or would they be talking about human "clinical" use?

Then follow that with the part you actually did quote here

These data offer proof of concept that mild hepatic mitochondrial uncoupling may be a safe and effective therapy for the related epidemics of metabolic syndrome, T2D, and NASH."


That was weak, even by your standards. You should have just let that one slide.
 

The articles are misleading, prejudicial, and missing important info.

1) 2 tablets, or 400mg, IS a fatal dose? No it CAN BE a fatal dose. I ran 750mg for well over a week and increased my dosage yesterday further. I'm alive, well, and still ticking.

2) she took 8x the recommended dose on the package. You cannot legislate or protect against stupidity. Does anyone take 16 Advil for a headache? If so please let me know how that's working out for you.

3) did she know what DNP was or was the product mislabeled intentionally or unintentionally? If she knew she was taking DNP this is a case of Darwinism winning out. There are hundreds of sites you can read about how dangerous DNP is that pop up with a simple google search.

If she didn't know and the package was mislabeled, then that's on the manufacturer for false advertising, reckless endangerment, etc. Still, she took 8x the suggested dose......

4) dnp is not a miracle slimming pill. It is a deadly toxin. DNP causes your metabolism to run at explosive levels.

^^^ I need to stop laughing before responding. It really is a miracle slimming pill. Fat just melts right off although it MAY be a deadly toxin when taking too much of it. DNP causes metabolism to run at EXPLOSIVE levels....... Lololololololol
 
Her mother also said this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ter-taking-eight-dnp-diet-pills-10191308.html

“She never intended to take her own life,” Mrs Parry said. “She just never really understood how dangerous the tablets that she took were. Most of us don’t believe that a slimming tablet could possibly kill us."

More from the "tribute" her mother made in the article Millard posted (I don't think she realised how stupid it makes her daughter look):

"She had taken even more of these 'slimming tablets' than recommended on the pack and had no idea just how dangerous they really were. How many of us have ever thought 'If one tablet works, surely it won't hurt to take one or two more?"

" She explained what she had taken and there was no great panic as she was still completely lucid and with it."

So she knew exactly what these slimming pills contained, she knew that she was taking more than the recommended amount, she couldn't even be bothered to do a basic google search to inform herself about the risks of dnp AND she had a classic "more is better" attitude.

In summary, she was a complete and utter idiot that I have zero sympathy for - natural selection at its finest.
 
You're assuming all DNP related deaths have been reported. They have not.

Could have swore you were big on calling out people who throw up anecdotal evidence in threads.... LOL we are supposed to just sit back and picture all of these unreported deaths that are "probably" there... What drug that has been used as much as DNP has had fewer than 68 PROVEN deaths over 85 years of use?

Why are you so butt hurt by DNP ? did a dude named Donald Newton Palumbo bang your girlfriend and now you've sworn revenge against anything that shares his initials? I can't understand why someone who hasn't used it (assumption) and doesn't plan to use it, would waste their time barking at other people. I have a bottle full of D's stuff in my night stand right now and after a month or two more of bulking I'm going to do a conservative cycle and I guarantee you won't be saying goodnight to this sweet prince brah. Please feel free to come troll my log when I post it father.
 
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