Time for some size!

[jJjburton]

It really isn't. The biggest thing is seeing the scale go down and people will freak out thinking they're losing size. Honestly it's mainly just bloat that you lose at first from depleting glycogen stores. So like @malfeasance said. Measure your waist and arms. If you're losing around an 1/8" on your arms for every inch on your waist, that's perfectly normal. If you're losing weight say roughly 10lbs and your waist doesn't shrink an inch, then something is probably goofy.

Ok cool, that sounds reasonable.

 

[malfeasance]

would fasted cardio be a good idea even without hgh?

Hell yes! Fasted cardio is awesome and gets the day started right. Over months, the calories really add up.

 

[malfeasance]

I agree with @malfeasance.
Also, being natty when I cut I typically wait until I get below 3,000 calories a day before I add in cardio.

Being natty is a whole different ball game. It is tough, and everything has to be just right. You can get away with a lot more on PEDs. Like, literally starve yourself but still hold on to muscle. Not many natty guys doing 30-40 grams of carbs a day and prepping in 12-16 weeks. More like 100 grams a day minimum and a six month prep! Lots of discipline and consistent hard work.

Do you compete in a natty federation like ANBF? We have a lot of those competitions around here. I am always amazed at the physique some of the competitors present on stage.

 

[malfeasance]

Robert Waterhouse just turned pro in the IFBB (classic physique), all natural. This is a very interesting conversation with Fouad Abiad about the differences between natural and not natural contest prep.

 

[Brandaddy]

Being natty is a whole different ball game. It is tough, and everything has to be just right. You can get away with a lot more on PEDs. Like, literally starve yourself but still hold on to muscle. Not many natty guys doing 30-40 grams of carbs a day and prepping in 12-16 weeks. More like 100 grams a day minimum and a six month prep! Lots of discipline and consistent hard work.

Do you compete in a natty federation like ANBF? We have a lot of those competitions around here. I am always amazed at the physique some of the competitors present on stage.

Oops.. I didn't mean to imply I'm natty full time. I've got a few cycles under my belt. I just typically only do a cycle about 8-12 weeks out from comp. I'm actually a powerlifter, competing at a national level untested meet next weekend. I was also a tri-sport athlete in school and a competitive MMA fighter before I got into powerlifting. Also had a diet coach for awhile and prepped for a physique comp. So I've always been studying nutrition over the years and like staying somewhat aesthetic. But never actually stepped on a BB stage. Lol.

 

[jJjburton]

Just ordered 2x2.5 lb, 4x5lb, 2x10 lb and
2x25 lb, 2 inch plates for my gym. Because my cable set up needed more increments. I have been selling myself short because of increments i cant hit. So now i can ine side was 25 lbs and the other was 22.5 lbs, so i didnt do those exercises.
I needed to adjust intensity by reps. Well in 4-6 weeks will have some better options. 125$ but them 75 $ for shipping. A good deal considering.

 

[jJjburton]

Oops.. I didn't mean to imply I'm natty full time. I've got a few cycles under my belt. I just typically only do a cycle about 8-12 weeks out from comp. I'm actually a powerlifter, competing at a national level untested meet next weekend. I was also a tri-sport athlete in school and a competitive MMA fighter before I got into powerlifting. Also had a diet coach for awhile and prepped for a physique comp. So I've always been studying nutrition over the years and like staying somewhat aesthetic. But never actually stepped on a BB stage. Lol.

Hell yea, looks like you been lifting for a while. Good stuff!

 

[jJjburton]

Have my next cycle stuff,
I have npp, deca, EQ, tren a, test cyp, winny, dbol, anadrol, aromasin, cialis.

But i will be crusing first, as its been a while for 6 weeks minimum.

Will probably be using the test C and EQ next cycle, then throwing in deca. EQ gave me headaches in the past running it at 800 mg. So will run it at 300-400 mg.

also want to run a cycle where i am not punning ED, as that got real old. I have been pinning ED for like 16 weeks.

not sure how else to plan it. So far Deca and EQ with test is great for long slow steady gains.

 

[ftaro]

Have my next cycle stuff,
I have npp, deca, EQ, tren a, test cyp, winny, dbol, anadrol, aromasin, cialis.

But i will be crusing first, as its been a while for 6 weeks minimum.

Will probably be using the test C and EQ next cycle, then throwing in deca. EQ gave me headaches in the past running it at 800 mg. So will run it at 300-400 mg.

also want to run a cycle where i am not punning ED, as that got real old. I have been pinning ED for like 16 weeks.

not sure how else to plan it. So far Deca and EQ with test is great for long slow steady gains.

Noice dude. How are you scheduling your orals

 

[malfeasance]

Have my next cycle stuff,
I have npp, deca, EQ, tren a, test cyp, winny, dbol, anadrol, aromasin, cialis.

But i will be crusing first, as its been a while for 6 weeks minimum.

Will probably be using the test C and EQ next cycle, then throwing in deca. EQ gave me headaches in the past running it at 800 mg. So will run it at 300-400 mg.

also want to run a cycle where i am not punning ED, as that got real old. I have been pinning ED for like 16 weeks.

not sure how else to plan it. So far Deca and EQ with test is great for long slow steady gains.

Headaches on EQ = high hematocrit. Keep an eye on it. That requires blood tests. OR you can donate blood. They take your hemoglobin level before you donate, which is the same thing (math question to go between the two).

I had to drain my own blood it was so high the last time I ran EQ.

Yeah, you read that right.

 

[jJjburton]

Noice dude. How are you scheduling your orals

Probably not until the end, or a plateu, i dont tolerate orals well.

 

[jJjburton]

Yes

Headaches on EQ = high hematocrit. Keep an eye on it. That requires blood tests. OR you can donate blood. They take your hemoglobin level before you donate, which is the same thing (math question to go between the two).

I had to drain my own blood it was so high the last time I ran EQ.

Yeah, you read that right.

I was donating every time possible i think 52 days? So was hoping a low dose would fix that.

what dose did you run, that happened to you?

 

[malfeasance]

900 mg weekly

hematocrit 62

hemoglobin 19.8

headaches and it felt like my head was going to explode during heavy lifts like squats

Too high to donate

Ordered kits and drained it myself, a pint or so once or twice a week

Felt oh so much better

 

[jJjburton]

900 mg weekly

hematocrit 62

hemoglobin 19.8

headaches and it felt like my head was going to explode during heavy lifts like squats

Too high to donate

Ordered kits and drained it myself, a pint or so once or twice a week

Felt oh so much better

That is very high, dam.

 

[malfeasance]

I stopped checking it for a while and stopped donating . . . so . . . good idea to do both

 

[jJjburton]

I stopped checking it for a while and stopped donating . . . so . . . good idea to do both

Do you think that if you cut that dose of EQ in half, that would still happen? How long on EQ did it take?

i frontloaded EQ which was a terrible idea. My hemocrit was 54 in 8 weeks at 800 mg and my headaches sucked, but 62. Dam.

This steered me clear of EQ but starting to want a new compound.

also EQ has been underdosed. Even the raws.

 

[malfeasance]

I have not tried half the dose, so I am not going to venture an opinion when I don't know what the result would be. Your reasoning makes sense, but I would still want keep an eye on things.

47.7 hematocrit
15.0 hemoglobin

These were my most recent numbers.

I asked the donation lady to retest my hemoglobin immediately after a double red donation. I should have written down the numbers, but going off memory, it was a 0.8 reduction, but my memory could be flawed. It was less than one full point, though. I am 100% certain of that.

 

[jJjburton]

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I have not tried half the dose, so I am not going to venture an opinion when I don't know what the result would be. Your reasoning makes sense, but I would still want keep an eye on things.

47.7 hematocrit
15.0 hemoglobin

These were my most recent numbers.

I asked the donation lady to retest my hemoglobin immediately after a double red donation. I should have written down the numbers, but going off memory, it was a 0.8 reduction, but my memory could be flawed. It was less than one full point, though. I am 100% certain of that.

Is a double red type infusion better? This is where they take only rbc and put everything else back in? Is yhis better Then donating whole?

i thought whole was better. For hemocrit

those numbers are nice!

i appreciate all your input.

 

[Ferenor]

You can try Naringine, Inositol for high hematocrit. I read about Naringine only on forums (be careful it can mess with meds) and about inositol i had a few guys telling me that it works for that, I only tried naringine but didn't do a thing for me. Need to try inositol when gym are open again.

 

[malfeasance]

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Is a double red type infusion better? This is where they take only rbc and put everything else back in? Is yhis better Then donating whole?

i thought whole was better. For hemocrit

those numbers are nice!

i appreciate all your input.

Yes, double is better for lowering hematocrit.

The hematocrit (hct) is a measurement of how much of someone's blood is made up of red blood cells. The test measures by volume but is then expressed as a percentage. If a person has a hematocrit of 40%, this means that he or she has 40 milliliters of red blood cells in 100 milliliters of blood.

So taking out TWO donations' worth of red blood cells, and putting back everything else, means that percentage or red blood cells is going to drop more than two donations of whole blood, much less just one donation of while blood.

Whole blood takes red blood cells and everything else, one pint worth.

Double red takes twice as many red blood cells as one whole blood donation, and puts everything else back in your veins.