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[wrathe]

hello all i have been a lurker here for quite some time.i finally joined hopeing to give and recieve some helpful insight.
i find myself at a crossroad and would appreciate some input:
37 yrs old on and off steroids for 15 yrs. last time was 6/04
test level was 70 in sept now 250 so looks like finally comming around
here is my blood
3/30/05
alt (sgpt) 0-40 86

ldl 0-99 107

test 241-827 226


free 8.7-25.1 8.4

dhea 120-520 118
shbg 7-58 14
fsh 4.0
lsh 4.9
forgot to do estrogen test!
dr wants me to do androderm ,i want to do hcg nolva for a while to kick in balls then stay with nolva to bring up test ,and if fails then trt..any input??
swale??thx

 

[Matt Muscle]

hello all i have been a lurker here for quite some time.i finally joined hopeing to give and recieve some helpful insight.
i find myself at a crossroad and would appreciate some input:
37 yrs old on and off steroids for 15 yrs. last time was 6/04
test level was 70 in sept now 250 so looks like finally comming around
here is my blood
3/30/05
alt (sgpt) 0-40 86

ldl 0-99 107

test 241-827 226


free 8.7-25.1 8.4

dhea 120-520 118
shbg 7-58 14
fsh 4.0
lsh 4.9
forgot to do estrogen test!
dr wants me to do androderm ,i want to do hcg nolva for a while to kick in balls then stay with nolva to bring up test ,and if fails then trt..any input??
swale??thx

Hey Mate, do you know what your natural T levels were like pre steriod use?
Is it possible that they may have been low to begin with so thats why you resorted to steriods in the first place?
If not.. I would certainly try anything to get your natural levels back to an acceptable level before using androgel. Natural must always be best.

 

[wrathe]

thanks for the thought;but the before use was 1986 so no clue..i hpoe swale chimes in ! i just want to use hcg 2x per week @ 250 iu's,w/20 mgs nolva cause i am sensitive. then up it if i can as i go, then just nolva for 6 weeks then blood work

 

[wrathe]

mrank any thoughts why some of us get red face and torso from hcg and test? should i try hcg im instead of sub-q?

 

[pmgamer18]

mrank any thoughts why some of us get red face and torso from hcg and test? should i try hcg im instead of sub-q?

I get like this from my E2 being to high.
Phil

 

[wrathe]

so if it is my e2 also..could i counter act it buy taking nolva. ;and do away with the red face?? that would be a homerun!! any thoughts