Titanium Gear Industries (domestic source)

[QueenBee]

Remember he got the results and posted them right away. It was overdosed and 400 mg/ml. He himself contacted Jano and said something to the effect “hey bud, are you SURE, you’ve made mistakes before, can you double/triple check this”.

If you posted a test that said the EQ was 400 mg/ml and then Jano came back to you and said “oopsie! Sorry, I fucked up!” (I can’t help but imagine that in Dennis Leery voice!). Would you be inclined to post that, knowing the shitstorm that would create?

And again, that was 2 weeks ago. And we KNOW we would have been jumping to conclusions that whole time until W&M posted their report (today).

So where exactly did @Joedaddy5150 go wrong here? Other than having Jano run the sample?

I couldn’t have said it better. He has always been kind and kind to others. He makes me see things in ways others can’t. He’s been like a guardian angel rescuing me when I was scammed. When I think of something, I bounce things off of him and he always tell me a positive way of looking at it. So I know everything he does he is thinking of our community.

 

[QueenBee]

Say what? Was I even talking to you?

Oh some of us reading other threads know the meaning behind it.

 

[puckhog]

Here is my take. Nola’s EQ report was released on May 4th. Jano showed the EQ being dosed at 399, so 100 over label claim.

Anybody who saw this and adjusted their dose would have potentially lost (maybe) 400mg over the course of a couple weeks because they would have lowered their dose according to Janos report.

So,yes, Nola withheld info on a second test showing 200mg on the eq. Did this harm anybody? I would say no. Is it a bit shady? Probably should have been posted, especially when people use tgi for major competitions.

I am assuming Nola is not sourcing to meso members. I could be wrong. He used the report showing 399mg to hype up his buddies and sell more shit. Not cool. Again, did he harm anybody? Probably not.

Now, I can see why tgi is pissed. This business is his baby. He built this thing under the microscope of meso’s harshest critics. And he uses these reports to stay on top of his game. He can’t fix problems if the problems were fake in the first place.

I am not really sure where I am going with this. Just putting my thoughts out there because multiple perspectives never hurt anyone. I could be way of base.

Nola has spent a shit ton of money testing gear from all kinds of shady fucks. Most of which we, as a community, rallied behind to keep ugl’s accountable. He has also risked security by ordering gear from most start-ups within the first week. I understand most people will call this foolish and I would agree with that. However, someone has to be the first to pull the trigger.

Okay, done.

Did I just lose my spot on the private list?

 

[fershiz85]

I'm not in a position to give my opinion on this, but being a noob to the scene and having this shit go down, appreciate the dialog of the vets going on. A bright spot in an otherwise shitty situation the past week to 10 days.

 

[iceman440]

he is thinking of our community.

Except purposefully holding information from our allegedly drug dealer. He made it obvious it’s not community first

 

[iceman440]

Here is my take. Nola’s EQ report was released on May 4th. Jano showed the EQ being dosed at 399, so 100 over label claim.

Anybody who saw this and adjusted their dose would have potentially lost (maybe) 400mg over the course of a couple weeks because they would have lowered their dose according to Janos report.

So,yes, Nola withheld info on a second test showing 200mg on the eq. Did this harm anybody? I would say no. Is it a bit shady? Probably should have been posted, especially when people use tgi for major competitions.

I am assuming Nola is not sourcing to meso members. I could be wrong. He used the report showing 399mg to hype up his buddies and sell more shit. Not cool. Again, did he harm anybody? Probably not.

Now, I can see why tgi is pissed. This business is his baby. He built this thing under the microscope of meso’s harshest critics. And he uses these reports to stay on top of his game. He can’t fix problems if the problems were fake in the first place.

I am not really sure where I am going with this. Just putting my thoughts out there because multiple perspectives never hurt anyone. I could be way of base.

Nola has spent a shit ton of money testing gear from all kinds of shady fucks. Most of which we, as a community, rallied behind to keep ugl’s accountable. He has also risked security by ordering gear from most start-ups within the first week. I understand most people will call this foolish and I would agree with that. However, someone has to be the first to pull the trigger.

Okay, done.

Did I just lose my spot on the private list?

To you and BBBG, I agree 100% with the testing. I love it, it’s great . He is testing all the start ups to rake in all the promotions, free gear with purchase, store credits ..... for personal gains, not meso.

I don’t care he is re-selling. But he’s made it clear he has never been in it for the community and now he is not releasing information.

 

[QueenBee]

Except purposefully holding information from our allegedly drug dealer. He made it obvious it’s not community first

To retest and get the facts. We make mistakes. Yes he could have posted it then said I’m retesting, but that’s not his personality. He likes to be accurate...

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Agree, I don’t test either . And like I did said, I don’t care if he re-sells. It’s all testing which is great.

He has made it obviously that the community with be 2nd , and that I’m not ok with.

Had the W&M results come back confirming 200 mg/ml then we have a reason to ask JoeDaddy the hard questions.

But are we believing the W&M report showing 300.3 mg/ml?

If so, then the Jano result is moot. We pulled it out of JoeDaddy’s closet only to throw it in the trash because it’s useless.

 

[QueenBee]

I do the testing to benefit myself yes. I resell gear and good test results on shit I sell makes it more valuable. The testing results also help the community to see that we are getting what we pay for. I made a bad decision not to post the second lab report on the EQ for this I apologize @TitaniumGear (TGI) Now the weights and measures report shows the same batch testing right. I really don’t know what to fucking think right now. I apologize to anyone that might’ve been effected by me not posting the second lab. The meso community means a lot to me. I have formed some really cool friendships from here and learn stuff from here daily.

@iceman440
Right here he says the meso community means a lot to him. It does truly.

 

[iceman440]

Had the W&M results come back confirming 200 mg/ml then we have a reason to ask JoeDaddy the hard questions.

But are we believing the W&M report showing 300.3 mg/ml?

If so, then the Jano result is moot. We pulled it out of JoeDaddy’s closet only to throw it in the trash because it’s useless.

Just forget all of the numbers and stuff. Issue at hand is, he is not for us, just himself.

And it doesn’t matters. I can say my shit, you say yours. End of the day he will still test (I hope) and we go our separate ways.

I am just pissed he did not post.

 

[iceman440]

@iceman440
Right here he says the meso community means a lot to him. It does truly.

@balco also said he was not a scammer.... he apologized because he knew he was wrong. I can respect that.

 

[TitaniumGear (TGI)]

Did I just lose my spot on the private list?

Of course not.

Everyone knows i have always asked for honest and unbiased feedback. Whether testing, pip field test reports, anything.

Now i have people questioning my gear, my greed, my agenda, etc.

Meso wanted a tested source with a fast t/a that responds to criticism, has no problem keeping up with stock, and accessible to most everyone.

I attempted to deliver just that. Hoping to make a difference or an impact. Because of these reports, i have been called into question on numerous things.

I have to ask myself, is it worth it? There are those that do a fraction of what i do, yet they remain. I post 2 suspect reports and have @iceman440 (sorry to single you out dude) say "maybe we are too soft on him, enforce the standard". Who attained this "stardard"? Who maintains this "standard"? Who is the ONLY completely tested source that continues to try to evolve and grow according to the community and the feedback from the community?

So....i sit here tonight, wondering, if i tested raws and finished on everything, would it matter? If i stop doing bulk orders for those not on my list, will that please more people or piss off more people?

What does it take to not be the one under the microscope when I, the only one after learning of 2 conflicting reports l, immediately post them.

Knowing they are from a tester with a history...and knowing my track record of transparency...first question wasn't are the tests valid. First was "so is it over or under"? Nobody once thought the EQ might be spot on and the reports not even credible. So obviously any rep i have tried to built has been a fruitless attempt.

I stand by my actions regarding the testing and @jano and @Joedaddy5150.

I don't know what else to do, if anything. It would be nice to do what i do minus the games and the fuckery. That seems like a pipe dream though.

 

[QueenBee]

@balco also said he was not a scammer.... he apologized because he knew he was wrong. I can respect that.

Balco has done nothing for our community. No comparison.

 

[Sp2.0]

Dude has probably contributed more testing then any other two members combined. That's a valuable piece to the puzzle when making purchasing decisions.

As long as his samples he sends are on the up and up, I personally would like to see him keep doing it and since he paid for and went through the trouble of having it done it's tough to jam him for not posting right away.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Of course not.

Everyone knows i have always asked for honest and unbiased feedback. Whether testing, pip field test reports, anything.

Now i have people questioning my gear, my greed, my agenda, etc.

Meso wanted a tested source with a fast t/a that responds to criticism, has no problem keeping up with stock, and accessible to most everyone.

I attempted to deliver just that. Hoping to make a difference or an impact. Because of these reports, i have been called into question on numerous things.

I have to ask myself, is it worth it? There are those that do a fraction of what i do, yet they remain. I post 2 suspect reports and have @iceman440 (sorry to single you out dude) say "maybe we are too soft on him, enforce the standard". Who attained this "stardard"? Who maintains this "standard"? Who is the ONLY completely tested source that continues to try to evolve and grow according to the community and the feedback from the community?

So....i sit here tonight, wondering, if i tested raws and finished on everything, would it matter? If i stop doing bulk orders for those not on my list, will that please more people or piss off more people?

What does it take to not be the one under the microscope when I, the only one after learning of 2 conflicting reports l, immediately post them.

Knowing they are from a tester with a history...and knowing my track record of transparency...first question wasn't are the tests valid. First was "so is it over or under"? Nobody once thought the EQ might be spot on and the reports not even credible. So obviously any rep i have tried to built has been a fruitless attempt.

I stand by my actions regarding the testing and @jano and @Joedaddy5150.

I don't know what else to do, if anything. It would be nice to do what i do minus the games and the fuckery. That seems like a pipe dream though.

Keep on doing what you’re doing. Take the valid criticism with the bullshit. Is what it is, and to some degree this sort of shit keeps the riffraff sources out. I don’t think anyone believes you to be one.

 

[iceman440]

Balco has done nothing for our community. No comparison.

Is it for the community, or his own greed

 

[bolder]

My thoughts...
Without a doubt no information should have been withheld for any reasons. Idc what the reasons being if you withhold something that later comes out it tends to look shady af!
Seeing Jano running around like he has in every thread lately already had me suspicious. He has always had an agenda. That’s obvious!
Then when testing comes out and how Jano has been in other threads it ties together as they were working together for some other unknown reasons. Working an angle that would be best suited for them.
I’m talking about @Joedaddy5150 and @janoshik so this is clear!

As a member here I’ve always appreciated anyone that contributed in anyway to this board. I like to always think we’re here to help one another! I never give anyone any shade of doubt until it looks to me as their being shady!

I did appreciate all the testing that was being done by @Joedaddy5150 but that was before this incident. His intentions might have been right all along idk about that now though.


As for Jano yeah fuck him and his slimy ways. I always tried to keep an open mind with him but he always found a way to show how shady he really is. This is the final straw with him and nothing he has done or continue to do forward holds absolutely no meaning to me. His reports, posts, and existence is voided to me!

I support testing as well but not if it’s gonna lead to this kinda shit!
I’d rather go by fuckin feels reports than testing reports that are falsified and data being that’s being withheld!

 

[QueenBee]

Is it for the community, or his own greed

Knowing him and they way he is, he has a love for our community.

 

[iceman440]

Of course not.

Everyone knows i have always asked for honest and unbiased feedback. Whether testing, pip field test reports, anything.

Now i have people questioning my gear, my greed, my agenda, etc.

Meso wanted a tested source with a fast t/a that responds to criticism, has no problem keeping up with stock, and accessible to most everyone.

I attempted to deliver just that. Hoping to make a difference or an impact. Because of these reports, i have been called into question on numerous things.

I have to ask myself, is it worth it? There are those that do a fraction of what i do, yet they remain. I post 2 suspect reports and have @iceman440 (sorry to single you out dude) say "maybe we are too soft on him, enforce the standard". Who attained this "stardard"? Who maintains this "standard"? Who is the ONLY completely tested source that continues to try to evolve and grow according to the community and the feedback from the community?

So....i sit here tonight, wondering, if i tested raws and finished on everything, would it matter? If i stop doing bulk orders for those not on my list, will that please more people or piss off more people?

What does it take to not be the one under the microscope when I, the only one after learning of 2 conflicting reports l, immediately post them.

Knowing they are from a tester with a history...and knowing my track record of transparency...first question wasn't are the tests valid. First was "so is it over or under"? Nobody once thought the EQ might be spot on and the reports not even credible. So obviously any rep i have tried to built has been a fruitless attempt.

I stand by my actions regarding the testing and @jano and @Joedaddy5150.

I don't know what else to do, if anything. It would be nice to do what i do minus the games and the fuckery. That seems like a pipe dream though.

I hope it did not read as an attack on you. I was just trying to say to say, let’s not rule out anything. As much as no one wants it to be, there is always the possibility of human error on your end as well

It’s getting to be a clusterfuck with the inconsistent testing .

Keep on grinding big guy

 

[Sp2.0]

Of course not.

Everyone knows i have always asked for honest and unbiased feedback. Whether testing, pip field test reports, anything.

Now i have people questioning my gear, my greed, my agenda, etc.

Meso wanted a tested source with a fast t/a that responds to criticism, has no problem keeping up with stock, and accessible to most everyone.

I attempted to deliver just that. Hoping to make a difference or an impact. Because of these reports, i have been called into question on numerous things.

I have to ask myself, is it worth it? There are those that do a fraction of what i do, yet they remain. I post 2 suspect reports and have @iceman440 (sorry to single you out dude) say "maybe we are too soft on him, enforce the standard". Who attained this "stardard"? Who maintains this "standard"? Who is the ONLY completely tested source that continues to try to evolve and grow according to the community and the feedback from the community?

So....i sit here tonight, wondering, if i tested raws and finished on everything, would it matter? If i stop doing bulk orders for those not on my list, will that please more people or piss off more people?

What does it take to not be the one under the microscope when I, the only one after learning of 2 conflicting reports l, immediately post them.

Knowing they are from a tester with a history...and knowing my track record of transparency...first question wasn't are the tests valid. First was "so is it over or under"? Nobody once thought the EQ might be spot on and the reports not even credible. So obviously any rep i have tried to built has been a fruitless attempt.

I stand by my actions regarding the testing and @jano and @Joedaddy5150.

I don't know what else to do, if anything. It would be nice to do what i do minus the games and the fuckery. That seems like a pipe dream though.

You knew going into this thing the scrutiny and the vetting are ongoing. Imo keep doing what you've been doing and it'll work itself out.

You've been a solid source to this point but your still a source.

Captain obvious out.