Trans guy

[malfeasance]

Hey,

Can anyone point me in the direction of a good starter cycle? Have been in the gym for about 5 years, I'm now 33 and struggling to make any gains. I've been taking peptides for the past couple of years but more so tailored towards injuries than anything. I've been on this site for about a year, the reason i'm posting off a fresh account is because i'm trans and cba to deal with the onslaught of transphobia people usually get from it. Not looking to debate any bigots just looking for some info

I take testosterone, which just keeps me in the normal male range, wondered if there any trans guys out there with any advice?

Cheers!

You are "posting off a fresh account" because you are concerned about an "onslaught of transphobia," in a post in which you announce that you are trans.



Does that make any sense?



Anyway, since you are trans, born female, you must be getting testosterone. Yet you are "struggling to make gains." How much testosterone are you taking? I know you say you are in "the normal male range," but that does not really answer the question.

Lay out your diet for us as well as your training.

There is no reason a female on male hormones high enough to be in the normal male range should not be making loads of gains. I have a feeling the problem is something other than how much hormones you are taking.

 

[1991uk]

I would change the injection frequency to something shorter i.e. every 2/3 days and go with Test E or C while aiming for about 150-250mg a week total of test split into 2-3 injections as mentioned. Dose depends on your current dose but 200-250mg are well tolerated and considered a high trt/cruise.

Depending on your E2 which you then in your case dont want to be sky high but rather on the lower end of the middle you could add some Primo i.e. 50-100mg and see how your E2 behaves.

Nice one, I was thinking about changing to test c actually, nebido every 12 weeks is definitely too big of a dip from week 1 to 12.

Appreciate the help thank you!

 

[UberLOL]

Some of the troglodytes here...

nebido every 12 weeks is a braindead policy. 2* a week, 3* a week is better. I pin everyday.

But generally speaking take more test, check bloodwork, bump up again, bloodwork, then when your e2 gets higher than you like add primo. Since you're AFAB, i'm not sure what a physically healthy e2 would be for you or mentally healthy e2 would be without triggering dysphoria (but honestly if you're on boatloads of test and have had top surgery I don't think it's an issue). I think just go up until bloodwork gets toasted. It's all just balancing your own risk tolerance vs reward: how much you want to put on.

I would echo what was said above about diet and training though. If your test is top of the reference range you should be making gains regardless. Diet and training are bigger levers to pull than gear.

 

[UberLOL]

Some of the troglodytes here...

nebido every 12 weeks is a braindead policy. 2* a week, 3* a week is better. I pin everyday.

But generally speaking take more test, check bloodwork, bump up again, bloodwork, then when your e2 gets higher than you like add primo. Since you're AFAB, i'm not sure what a physically healthy e2 would be for you or mentally healthy e2 would be without triggering dysphoria (but honestly if you're on boatloads of test and have had top surgery I don't think it's an issue). I think just go up until bloodwork gets toasted. It's all just balancing your own risk tolerance vs reward: how much you want to put on.

I would echo what was said above about diet and training though. If your test is top of the reference range you should be making gains regardless. Diet and training are bigger levers to pull than gear.

I also don't know what the policies are or if your script can be taken away by your doctor if you start testing 2* the reference range (clearly on roids). Some DHTs don't present as test on bloodwork. Or you can use short esters and time the half lives so you're like high natural by the next time you do bloodwork.

 

[1991uk]

You are "posting off a fresh account" because you are concerned about an "onslaught of transphobia," in a post in which you announce that you are trans.



Does that make any sense?



Anyway, since you are trans, born female, you must be getting testosterone. Yet you are "struggling to make gains." How much testosterone are you taking? I know you say you are in "the normal male range," but that does not really answer the question.

Lay out your diet for us as well as your training.

There is no reason a female on male hormones high enough to be in the normal male range should not be making loads of gains. I have a feeling the problem is something other than how much hormones you are taking.

Hey yeah because of my life experience i know how people are about it, so have to protect myself. I'm saying i'm trans because it's relevant to the info. Obviously there are nuances to my body/genetics etc... Wasn't trying to offend anyone just trying to give the relative info.

I'm taking 1gm every 12 weeks. I used to take sustanon 250mg every 3 weeks but was really allergic to it, had eczema all over my body so swapped to nebido. I have blood tests coming up so will see where my levels are it could be my levels are low or as you say diet and training.

In terms of diet and training, I'm doing pplpp.
an example of a push day is lat raises cable, smith inline, overhead tricep, chest fly, weighted dips
pull : neutral pulldown, incine curls, pullovers, cable curls, overhand row

For my diet i've been eating just above maintenance, eat my body weight in grams in protein a day.

I probably could do with switching up my training a bit maybe as I have been doing the same exercises for about 12 weeks.

 

[1991uk]

Some of the troglodytes here...

nebido every 12 weeks is a braindead policy. 2* a week, 3* a week is better. I pin everyday.

But generally speaking take more test, check bloodwork, bump up again, bloodwork, then when your e2 gets higher than you like add primo. Since you're AFAB, i'm not sure what a physically healthy e2 would be for you or mentally healthy e2 would be without triggering dysphoria (but honestly if you're on boatloads of test and have had top surgery I don't think it's an issue). I think just go up until bloodwork gets toasted. It's all just balancing your own risk tolerance vs reward: how much you want to put on.

I would echo what was said above about diet and training though. If your test is top of the reference range you should be making gains regardless. Diet and training are bigger levers to pull than gear.

Hey,

Cheers for your reply. Yeah i get that feeling about the way i'm taking nebido it feels like a really dumb way to be taking it. I have had top surgery so I think that gyno should not be an issue.

Going to go over my diet and training and see if there's some changes I can make. But will defiantly check back in once I've had bloods done in a couple of weeks.

Thanks so much for the advice!

 

[DugPrime]

Hey,

Can anyone point me in the direction of a good starter cycle? Have been in the gym for about 5 years, I'm now 33 and struggling to make any gains. I've been taking peptides for the past couple of years but more so tailored towards injuries than anything. I've been on this site for about a year, the reason i'm posting off a fresh account is because i'm trans and cba to deal with the onslaught of transphobia people usually get from it. Not looking to debate any bigots just looking for some info

I take testosterone, which just keeps me in the normal male range, wondered if there any trans guys out there with any advice?

Cheers!

Seriously man, if you want a real advice, blast DHT for a year or two before deciding to cut your dick off.

Good luck

 

[BigDadd7]

Because you’re still a woman .. ask in the women’s section ..

That might be the only helpful thing you said.

 

[BigDadd7]

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For my diet i've been eating just above maintenance, eat my body weight in grams in protein a day.
....

That's probably why you're not seeing the gains you want. Eat more.

 

[UberLOL]

Seriously man, if you want a real advice, blast DHT for a year or two before deciding to cut your dick off.

Good luck

OP is transmasc not transfemme.

 

[UberLOL]

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Hey yeah because of my life experience i know how people are about it, so have to protect myself. I'm saying i'm trans because it's relevant to the info. Obviously there are nuances to my body/genetics etc... Wasn't trying to offend anyone just trying to give the relative info.

I'm taking 1gm every 12 weeks. I used to take sustanon 250mg every 3 weeks but was really allergic to it, had eczema all over my body so swapped to nebido. I have blood tests coming up so will see where my levels are it could be my levels are low or as you say diet and training.

In terms of diet and training, I'm doing pplpp.
an example of a push day is lat raises cable, smith inline, overhead tricep, chest fly, weighted dips
pull : neutral pulldown, incine curls, pullovers, cable curls, overhand row

For my diet i've been eating just above maintenance, eat my body weight in grams in protein a day.

I probably could do with switching up my training a bit maybe as I have been doing the same exercises for about 12 weeks.

No need to apologise.

allergy is probably due to the carrier oil: arachis vs castor oil in nebido.

On a nebido protocol by the time of your next shot your test levels will be nonexistent. Terrible protocol.

You could stand to be eating more. Exercise selection isn't the issue. Execution is. Stretch portion, slow eccentrics, progressive overload. all the same shit ppl say because it works.

 

[1991uk]

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No need to apologise.

allergy is probably due to the carrier oil: arachis vs castor oil in nebido.

On a nebido protocol by the time of your next shot your test levels will be nonexistent. Terrible protocol.

You could stand to be eating more. Exercise selection isn't the issue. Execution is. Stretch portion, slow eccentrics, progressive overload. all the same shit ppl say because it works.

Cheers! yeah for sure about arachis oil, my sisters anaphylactic level allergic to peanuts aswell so makes sense. And when it's coming to the end of the 12 weeks absolutely feel it haha.

Definitely gonna up my food intake a bit for sure. Thank you so much for the help, I really appreciate it!

 

[malfeasance]

For my diet i've been eating just above maintenance, eat my body weight in grams in protein a day.

That's not very specific.

If you are above maintenance, then you are gaining weight. If you are not gaining weight, then you are not above maintenance.

As for bodyweight in grams in protein per day, as in one gram per pound, per kg, what?

If you are trying for a man's muscular build, then shoot for 250 grams a day of protein, same as I would tell a man.

That is a lot of eggs and meat.

Track your eating. Measure everything. Put it in your tracker. If you don't gain weight that week, then you are not gaining. Right? Add some calories (protein and carbs, though, not fat). If you are not tracking, then you cannot make small changes. You are guessing every day. That is not a good way to make gains.

 

[glpfun]

You are "posting off a fresh account" because you are concerned about an "onslaught of transphobia," in a post in which you announce that you are trans.



Does that make any sense?



Anyway, since you are trans, born female, you must be getting testosterone. Yet you are "struggling to make gains." How much testosterone are you taking? I know you say you are in "the normal male range," but that does not really answer the question.

Lay out your diet for us as well as your training.

There is no reason a female on male hormones high enough to be in the normal male range should not be making loads of gains. I have a feeling the problem is something other than how much hormones you are taking.

It does make sense if they have an established account already and don’t want people to start treating them different once they find out. Ppl have a hard switch around trans stuff, can go from super friendly and likeable to wishing their death once they find out. Especially if they felt “fooled” in some way.

 

[malfeasance]

In terms of . . .aining, I'm doing pplpp.
an example of a push day is lat raises cable, smith inline, overhead tricep, chest fly, weighted dips
pull : neutral pulldown, incine curls, pullovers, cable curls, overhand row

Still picking girl exercises. This is what I see all the skinny young guys in my gym doing - which is why they are skinny.

Use dumb bells and barbells. Push day should have barbell or dumb bell presses. Dumb bells for lat raises, not cables.

Pull day should have dead lifts or rack pulls, barbell rows - pull low into the groin, some sort of heavy wide lat pulldown, and no f'n cable curls. Pick up a barbell and do barbell curls. Standing. Do reps in the 12-15 range, strictly and full range. Dumb bells over an upright bench or preacher curl, one at a time.

Legs?

You still have girl anatomy, which is superior for leg exercises (sorry, I do not say that to be offensive, but it is true, testosterone is not going to change your pelvis and all that). You find that for their size, females are strong in the legs. Combining that with testosterone and a good diet ought to get your legs really strong.

But do the hard stuff. It is apparent from reading above that you like the stuff that is not uncomfortable. Well, get uncomfortable. Squat. Not on a smith machine. Just with a bar bell on your back. Squat deep for 15-20. Leg press (not necessarily on the same day). Again, a deep full range of motion. Higher reps. Keep pushing the reps up and the weight up. You can add in the other stuff that is not so uncomfortable, like leg extensions, but do 20-25 reps and make them burn like crazy, leg curls, maybe stiff legged deadlifts for the hamstrings.

Intensity and always trying to do more.

 

[mammajamma]

Seriously man, if you want a real advice, blast DHT for a year or two before deciding to cut your dick off.

Good luck

I dont think it has a dick.

 

[Grey Spartan]

Change your injection frequency to twice a week.

If you are tested and don't want to add more test, I would say add Primo. I honestly have no idea what a trans guy wants his estrogen to be at so if yours is good add Mast instead.

Drugs are a small part in making gains, I found diet and training to be the real game changers. Push hard in the gym. Increase your volume (intensity x sets x reps). I know you see the same people in the gym day after day, year after year who look the same. What they all have in common is low volume and they usually only are just going through the motions.

 

[1991uk]

Change your injection frequency to twice a week.

If you are tested and don't want to add more test, I would say add Primo. I honestly have no idea what a trans guy wants his estrogen to be at so if yours is good add Mast instead.

Drugs are a small part in making gains, I found diet and training to be the real game changers. Push hard in the gym. Increase your volume (intensity x sets x reps). I know you see the same people in the gym day after day, year after year who look the same. What they all have in common is low volume and they usually only are just going through the motions.

Okay great thankyou! I think thats definately where i need to do some research - in terms of e levels. Once ive done that and got bloods back im sure I will have more of an idea.

And i definitely think there's some things i can improve in the gym and diet. I think i'm probably a bit guilty of going through the motions a bit the past month or so.

Thanks so much for your help and advice!

 

[TurboJet]

Okay great thankyou! I think thats definately where i need to do some research - in terms of e levels. Once ive done that and got bloods back im sure I will have more of an idea.

And i definitely think there's some things i can improve in the gym and diet. I think i'm probably a bit guilty of going through the motions a bit the past month or so.

Thanks so much for your help and advice!

What's your current stats?
Age
Height
Weight
Max BP, squat, deadlift ECT
What was your last blood test numbers?
Where does your provider want your numbers at? "Normal" range is pretty fuckin broad LoL

Why ask or even mention the trans thing?

You want to be a male and there's plenty of beginners logs here. So finding what it takes to get gains on a cycle is caveman simple.

Do you still look androgynous and are wanting a male physique? If you look like you've never seen a gym more drugs ain't going to help...

What's your actual diet? You've been extremely vague on that.

Numbers matter and if you want to get any decent advice you need to produce them.

Hell post pics.

As I already said being vague isn't going to help you on your fitness journey.

First be honest with yourself on your goals then be honest with us where you currently stand and somewhere in the middle we'll get it figured out.

My doctor prescribed "TRT" dose is 200 x2 weekly. I stay >1500 (capped bloods at my doc's) and he's perfectly fine with that.

I'm unfamiliar with nebido but a quick Google says it's Test U. What's your current dose? Every 12 weeks is pants on head retarded IMO. But* I have zero knowledge on transitional levels for dosage.

You want to have a male physique aim for male numbers. Start with 100 Test Cyp twice weekly along with a dialed in diet and exercise program and you'll gain. Simple eh?

Hold yourself accountable and follow through with your program. It's probably tough since you've transitioned because the doctors have you riding a literal hormone rollercoaster with levels swinging between female hormone levels and male hormone levels.

Wiki says 20.9 days is the elimination half-life.

You need to establish a stable baseline and go from there.

Get your normal bloods and script from your doctor skip the test u for now and get on Cyp.

Stick to a protocol for 2-3 months and get bloods done at a walk-in clinic.

Most clinics that do drug testing and STD testing can run a hormone panel. Basically any place that draws blood will send it off for any kind of testing you want. I take hair, urine, and breathalyzer tests at the same time 6-8 times a year all over the country for work and I've seen it available and have done it myself.

Anyway sorry for the long post best of luck!

 

[AlwaysHungry]

50mg test pop EOD
100mg tren ace EOD
No high estrogen not low either
Your levels gonna be normal when it’s time for the next shot.
Your body gonna be in shock and have some drastic changes in appearance of it.
Also follow what malfeasance said to the letter. More free weights hard exercises progressive overload you need to move big pounds to be big if not lifting big you’re not gonna get big also eat big at least 250 protein per day