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Tren and Gyno Prevention
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Eman
Master
Okay dude, I tried. Best of luck, get some Cialis for when your dick stops working.
CherryChillin
Banned
What estradiol blood range do you shoot for my man? I think it would be idiotic to go based off feel
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Eman
Master
I don't give a shit what my estro is... Up to a certain extent anyways. If I'm not experiencing symptoms then I'm not going to take drugs to control symptoms that don't exist.
The only issue I've ever had in regards to estro is water retention, .5mg E3D is what I need to keep it under control. .25mg EOD works too. I've gone without it and felt fine too but eventually I feel way too watery.
System7
Well-known Member
With experience you can absolutely go off of feel. Your body will let you know when estrogen is climbing. Nothing idiotic about it.
Throwback
Well-known Member
On 500mg test e my e2 never was above 29 using .5 arimidex every other week. Your gonna crash your shit at 1mg eod.
Throwback
Well-known Member
Right now...
40mg dbol wrapped up 4weeks worth with 500mg test e/week...on week 2 i added 600mg tren e and bumped that to 800mg on week 4.
It is now going into week 6 and i have used a total of 3 mg arimidex.
You need to treat e2 by symptoms not the number. I can tell when my e2 gets a lil higher than i like cuz i start getting emotional...like a lil bitch. Then 1mg arimidex followed by .5 two days later.
You need to get a handle on where your starting and what the effects or symptoms of elevated e2 feel like for you.
40mg dbol wrapped up 4weeks worth with 500mg test e/week...on week 2 i added 600mg tren e and bumped that to 800mg on week 4.
It is now going into week 6 and i have used a total of 3 mg arimidex.
You need to treat e2 by symptoms not the number. I can tell when my e2 gets a lil higher than i like cuz i start getting emotional...like a lil bitch. Then 1mg arimidex followed by .5 two days later.
You need to get a handle on where your starting and what the effects or symptoms of elevated e2 feel like for you.
Sworder
Member
This has been covered plenty of times, caber lowers IGF1 as well. Totally useless for bodybuilding purposes.
Myth Buster - Prolactin Tren/Deca
Sworder
Member
It is idiotic to base it off numbers and not how you feel and symptoms.
Imagine a person sitting within range getting full blown gyno "But... My numbers are good..."
CherryChillin
Banned
Sworder I have been bookmarking your posts ever since I started researching. Still not sure if front loading test e worked for me. I am on day 28 of my 600mg blast and my Bench jumped up 40 lbs since last week.
I hope I can get a helpful answer from you.
I want to run tren ace 300mg Wk for ten weeks and equipose, at 600mg wk.
I will keep test at 300 to hopefully minimize any progesterone from increased higher aromatase activity on testosterone whole using trenbelone.
If I am running these compounds, how should I go about using arimidex and caber if at ask using the latter. I remember your statements of past saying it is not entirely necessary.
Can you please with in, I really want to get some help!
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CherryChillin
Banned
Hey man, was at church for a Christmas service with my girls family. Wasn't ignoring you. Thank you for weighing in.
I feel pretty good at this dose. I plan on getting some lab work done next week to see what's going on at week 5 of this blast.
Have you taken tren? How do you know when the lactation and limp cock is coming?
The latter I'm assuming meat half chubs, can't finish, etc.
How do you know how much caber and how often. How do you feel that out? Thank you
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CherryChillin
Banned
Yo man, we're just trying to get along here! Didn't mean to piss you off lol. Being on here is worse than the time I got oui tested by two MA state troopers
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CherryChillin
Banned
CherryChillin
Banned
So use anastrozole, exemestane or femera? In your opinion? How much, how often? How to feel it out?
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Eman
Master
Dude, I cannot answer all of these questions for YOU. The only point I wanted to make is that you're using an excessive AI dose and you won't elaborate on why you feel you need to be using said excessive AI dose.... We're going round and round in circles. If I didn't know any better, I'd think this was your first cycle.
GOOD LUCK.
Sworder
Member
I wrote a short response to you referring to an old thread:
Myth Buster - Prolactin Tren/Deca
Read that whole thread, a lot of good input from a lot of people.
So short answer, no need for caber.
Frontloading works for everybody, it's a science.
Most AAS users don't really understand frontloading BUT they still do in PCT as you see with Nolva being used ED 40 first week and 20mg week 2-4. 40/20/20/20. The 40 being the frontload, obviously.
Many doctors use it for certain drugs, such as anti-biotics. Here is a formula that is more advanced. Point being is that frontloading works and is used in the medical community. It's not a broscience:
Volume of Distribution & Loading dose
The one I have on my frontloading thread is easier to use.
Frontloading!
Just use your adex as needed, e2 management is highly individual. I can use a lot of adex because my e2 conversion is crazy high. But @300mg Test/week 0.25-0.5 adex will be enough for most people. I, personally, wouldn't use the adex unless there is a need. Estrogen isn't a bad guy.
Every experienced steroid user will deal with FLARE UPS from gyno at one point or another, that's all it is. No need to freak out if you get a flare up. Full blown gyno takes a long time to develop. Girls don't get titties overnight and men don't neither. A swelling under the nipple and some nolva and adex will take care of that.
I would give a generic advice of 0.25 adex/week and increase from there on out when using 300mg Test/week. If you get a flare up of gyno, frontload 120mg that day and 20mg/day after that and increase your adex to 0.5mg/week.
Some things I notice without getting labs done, and labs are always the best way to check your e2. But estrogen will increase water retention in your subQ fat, so if you get an increase in estrogen it will look like you are "fatter" AKA bloat. Another thing is your mood and sensitivity, if you start watching America's got Talent and start tearing up. Your e2 is high buddy
Another thing, and don't be squeezing your nipples all day... If you squeeze your nipple and get a yellow oily discharge, your e2 could be elevated.
BUT, and sorry about the lengthy post. You have taken testosterone before, how did you react? Adex dosage during that cycle? Any e2 like sides such as gyno, bloat, or getting very emotional?
Also, you can use adex, letro or masin. Dose letro the way you would adex.
CherryChillin
Banned
No honestly I went on a cruise for 3 months at 200 and now an s month into my first blast. I'm 24 and have only been using AAS for 4 months total.I wrote a short response to you referring to an old thread:
Myth Buster - Prolactin Tren/Deca
Read that whole thread, a lot of good input from a lot of people.
So short answer, no need for caber.
Frontloading works for everybody, it's a science.
Most AAS users don't really understand frontloading BUT they still do in PCT as you see with Nolva being used ED 40 first week and 20mg week 2-4. 40/20/20/20. The 40 being the frontload, obviously.
Many doctors use it for certain drugs, such as anti-biotics. Here is a formula that is more advanced. Point being is that frontloading works and is used in the medical community. It's not a broscience:
Volume of Distribution & Loading dose
The one I have on my frontloading thread is easier to use.
Frontloading!
Just use your adex as needed, e2 management is highly individual. I can use a lot of adex because my e2 conversion is crazy high. But @300mg Test/week 0.25-0.5 adex will be enough for most people. I, personally, wouldn't use the adex unless there is a need. Estrogen isn't a bad guy.
Every experienced steroid user will deal with FLARE UPS from gyno at one point or another, that's all it is. No need to freak out if you get a flare up. Full blown gyno takes a long time to develop. Girls don't get titties overnight and men don't neither. A swelling under the nipple and some nolva and adex will take care of that.
I would give a generic advice of 0.25 adex/week and increase from there on out when using 300mg Test/week. If you get a flare up of gyno, frontload 120mg that day and 20mg/day after that and increase your adex to 0.5mg/week.
Some things I notice without getting labs done, and labs are always the best way to check your e2. But estrogen will increase water retention in your subQ fat, so if you get an increase in estrogen it will look like you are "fatter" AKA bloat. Another thing is your mood and sensitivity, if you start watching America's got Talent and start tearing up. Your e2 is high buddy
Another thing, and don't be squeezing your nipples all day... If you squeeze your nipple and get a yellow oily discharge, your e2 could be elevated.
BUT, and sorry about the lengthy post. You have taken testosterone before, how did you react? Adex dosage during that cycle? Any e2 like sides such as gyno, bloat, or getting very emotional?
Also, you can use adex, letro or masin. Dose letro the way you would adex.
I am blasting and cruising. I understand the consequence and don't want to hear a lecture.
If I ever need to come off I will implement hcg 500iu eod 6 weeks up to the last pin then use Nolvadex as per mentioned by you.
I don't see a reason in coming off. Life is better on test.
But, really the meat of my question I need answered Sworder...if caber Lowers igf and gh as you started the research has demonstrated...what to do about sides from prolactin on trenbelone...
Would heavy suppression of estradiol not be the smartest course of action, in addition to just focusing on the tren and maintaining a trt dose/cruise dose of like an arbitrary 300mg or 250 just to prevent crashing?
I figure the increased aromatase activity from high test while using nandros would just increase likelihood of sides.
Basically, how would you minimize sides from a reasonable dose of trenbelone of 300-400mg wk.
Would it be better to pin ED?
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Sworder
Member
Don't be lazy. Read the whole thread on Myth Buster deca/tren.
Nobody gets elevated prolactin with tren or deca when estrogen is in check. Use 0.25-0.5 adex/week and you will be good. Adjust as needed. I haven't seen labs with elevated prolactin even when an AI wasn't used. And there is no scientific study I have read showing an upregulation of aromatase because of deca/tren.
Pinning everyday wouldn't change much if you understand how half lives work. You will be fine this cycle. But read as much as you can. There are a lot of old and good threads here on Meso and since you have decided to stay on forever it will be useful for you to be knowledgeable.
Throwback
Well-known Member
.5......thats 1/2 a mg
