Tren E with Test E dosage

[Inkmylife]

So I am looking to do another Tren cycle, here is my question.. I've see a lot of people doing a Tren cycle with TRT dosage with their Test. I have also heard that at a Test dosage around 250/300 sides are almost no existant since the Tren has better binding affinity then the Test, I also have seen that keeping a more TRT based amount of Test in your system helps with fighting aromatase since there is not an over abundance of Test to be converted in to estrogen. Just looking to get some opinions. Thinkings about running 350-400 Tren E and 250-300 Test E

 

[truthwalker]

I think that's a pretty good starting point, considering I'm planning something similar. I guess I'd have to ask how you did on tren last time. Did you run it alone or with test? I plan on doing a tren e test c blast after I cruise for a bit, I'm just gonna start out running test at 300 and tren at 300 and go from there since it'll be my first time with tren.

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[Inkmylife]

I think that's a pretty good starting point, considering I'm planning something similar. I guess I'd have to ask how you did on tren last time. Did you run it alone or with test? I plan on doing a tren e test c blast after I cruise for a bit, I'm just gonna start out running test at 300 and tren at 300 and go from there since it'll be my first time with tren.

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Last time I was on it I was at 300 and 300 but I was cut short at about 8 weeks due to deployment.. lucky I had my PCT set up but now I have the time to really give it a full go.. and I want the best outta this run...

 

[Inkmylife]

I think that's a pretty good starting point, considering I'm planning something similar. I guess I'd have to ask how you did on tren last time. Did you run it alone or with test? I plan on doing a tren e test c blast after I cruise for a bit, I'm just gonna start out running test at 300 and tren at 300 and go from there since it'll be my first time with tren.

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Everything I read says that a lower or TRT type Test dose not only reduces the sides dramatically but also keeps unwanted gyno prolactin sides at bay, the way it was explained to me a while back was.. if you body is a glass and the water is the Test your body can only hold so much before it spills over... once it spills over anything can happen.. so with excessive Test our body has no need for it so it gets converted... because it over flowing and is not using it.. but like always I like other people's input.. and knowledge on the subject matter..

 

[truthwalker]

Right, but in my experience all that can be controlled with an ai. If those were the only sides that were eliminated by running a low test dose, there's no way I'd run under 600mg test bc I know how to control my estrogen effectively. I didn't when I was younger and now have gyno and am especially prone to prolactin, but it never gets any bigger when I blast now that I use adex properly.

The reason I'm not doing that is because it's my understanding that running low test also reduces the tren side effects I know I'm prone to - insomnia and night sweats. And I know im prone to them because I ran a prohormone a few years ago that converts directly to tren supposedly. I fucking loved the stuff, made me hungry and horny and I got ripped as hell but there were a couple times I had to sleep on towels. so yeah, I'm hoping running low test cuts those out lol.

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[truthwalker]

I think if you felt good on the 300/300 last time, why not do that again for a full run? How long are you planning on cycling for?

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[Inkmylife]

I think if you felt good on the 300/300 last time, why not do that again for a full run? How long are you planning on cycling for?

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Well last time I was moving slowly because itvwas my first time 200-250-300 and at around the 300 mark I was put into a deployable unit as a combat replacement.. but 400 is were i wanna be... 200mg twice a week, and i agree low test = low sides on the Tren so I'm all for it

 

[truthwalker]

I gotcha. It sounds like you have a solid plan then for 300 test/400 tren if you ask me! That should be a pretty killer cycle.

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[Throwback]

So I am looking to do another Tren cycle, here is my question.. I've see a lot of people doing a Tren cycle with TRT dosage with their Test. I have also heard that at a Test dosage around 250/300 sides are almost no existant since the Tren has better binding affinity then the Test, I also have seen that keeping a more TRT based amount of Test in your system helps with fighting aromatase since there is not an over abundance of Test to be converted in to estrogen. Just looking to get some opinions. Thinkings about running 350-400 Tren E and 250-300 Test E

Is this a bulking cycle...a recomp or a cut cuz....
The trt dose test with 400 tren e and eating at mait. or even a bit above will recomp you and cut you defining your build but it will not add much new mass.
You are correct about the sides being minimal.
If you intend to bulk a couple ideas...
500 test 600 tren 1000 cals over mait.
Remember that the test and tren e will really not kick in till week 4.
I have ran tren a and e at trt dose test several times and never really put on the size i had hoped.
Right now i am into week 6 of test e tren e at 500test 600 tren the sides have been minimal and the gains great.
I did start this cycle with a little less than 4 weeks dbol at 30mg. along with the above.
Its actually been my best cycle since my first.

 

[ironwill1951]

I agree completely with @Throwback if you want a substantial gain in size you have to run high test 600 mg wk or more.
if you want to be big and ripped the sides are part of the game, everything comes with a price.

 

[truthwalker]

Interesting. I'll have to research that more as mass is still my #1 priority. How would you say the gains compare to a run of low test high tren, numbers wise?

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[Inkmylife]

Is this a bulking cycle...a recomp or a cut cuz....
The trt dose test with 400 tren e and eating at mait. or even a bit above will recomp you and cut you defining your build but it will not add much new mass.
You are correct about the sides being minimal.
If you intend to bulk a couple ideas...
500 test 600 tren 1000 cals over mait.
Remember that the test and tren e will really not kick in till week 4.
I have ran tren a and e at trt dose test several times and never really put on the size i had hoped.
Right now i am into week 6 of test e tren e at 500test 600 tren the sides have been minimal and the gains great.
I did start this cycle with a little less than 4 weeks dbol at 30mg. along with the above.
Its actually been my best cycle since my first.

Now when your running that much test are you using an AI inhibitors

 

[Throwback]

Interesting. I'll have to research that more as mass is still my #1 priority. How would you say the gains compare to a run of low test high tren, numbers wise?

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Pound for pound of actual muscle gain...and again your caloric intake has got to be dialed in bigtime....is probably 200%.
The difference gaining mass between lo test and a lil bit higher tren like 250/400 or higher test higher tren 500/600 or even test750/tren800 is substantial.
So if lo test gains in a cycle are 4 to 6lbs lean mass....the other way after losing the water weight etc is probably a net lean mass gain in excess of 12 lbs maybe even 15.
This all is very subjective and depends on how you respond to the hormone.

 

[Throwback]

Now when your running that much test are you using an AI inhibitors

I do not unless i know from symptoms that my e2 is getting high....so far in this past 6 weeks i have used 3mg arimidex.
Avi pic is from week 3....193 i was at 204 yestetday.

 

[Inkmylife]

I do not unless i know from symptoms that my e2 is getting high....so far in this past 6 weeks i have used 3mg arimidex.
Avi pic is from week 3....193 i was at 204 yestetday.

That's what I need.. a good AI (just in case).. just hard to find.

 

[Just Fish]

That's what I need.. a good AI (just in case).. just hard to find.

Seriously? You should only use pharma AI's and you should have everything on hand before you even start your cycle. Armidex or aromasin for AI. Then nolvadex or raloxifene in cause of gyno flare up

 

[Just Fish]

That's what I need.. a good AI (just in case).. just hard to find.

What have you been using for an AI or PCT?

 

[Inkmylife]

What have you been using for an AI or PCT?

Oh no no I guess I should have specified I have Amridex and Nolvadex from a previous cycle that I didn't end up needing.. i meant to say my supplier is out of AI lol has been for a bit I guess..

 

[truthwalker]

yeah man you have to use an ai brother, that completely controls the sides I was mentioning earlier...I use Dr. prescribed adex since I'm on TRT. I just finished a blast of 600 test 400 deca and only needed .25mg 2x/week, sometimes less.

I use the adex for gyno flare-up too. If I go up to .5mg EOD my gyno actually shrinks on cycle. But mines fibrous so if I want to actually get rid of it, not just shrink it, I'll need surgery someday. Thankfully it's not too bad.

But yeah man, get some good pharma arimidex, that's all you should need. You don't need caber for tren either if you're using adex properly.

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[Just Fish]

yeah man you have to use an ai brother, that completely controls the sides I was mentioning earlier...I use Dr. prescribed adex since I'm on TRT. I just finished a blast of 600 test 400 deca and only needed .25mg 2x/week, sometimes less.

I use the adex for gyno flare-up too. If I go up to .5mg EOD my gyno actually shrinks on cycle. But mines fibrous so if I want to actually get rid of it, not just shrink it, I'll need surgery someday. Thankfully it's not too bad.

But yeah man, get some good pharma arimidex, that's all you should need. You don't need caber for tren either if you're using adex properly.

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If you need armidex for Trt your testosterone dose is too high or you are overweight. If you are under 18%bf you should not need an AI for Trt dosage. You should really have nolvadex or raloxifene in case of gyno flare up