Trenbolone and training benefits

one more post that Dr Jim bashes contageon and we cant learn anything and zero useful related information to the op and the rest of us... thanks to both of you


You went from idiot to ok and back to idiot.

I don't think you get what's going on here.

This idiot contagion is someone with an agenda. If you do your research you'll see there is a bigger picture outside of your tiny world. Dr Jim and others are countering this fool protecting dumb newbs like you.

You have 300 posts in about 3 months. You need to stop talking and start reading.

Your on your first cycle and don't know shit about steroids, this board and the people in this scene.

Your disrespecting people you should be appreciating.

If your so concerned about the topic this OP wrote do a search. There are tons of threads on this topic.

To the OP sorry your a casualty of war hang in there.
 
I suspect the OP's questions have been answered by now but if not the answer is NO and it's unknown!
 
I suspect the OP's questions have been answered by now but if not the answer is NO and it's unknown!

Considering he hasn't been on this thread in a while, I would have to concur.
Otherwise either me or Dr.Jim would have received a PM by now to "clarify".

I have to admit, Jim's enthusiasm can be pretty convincing, at first glance, and he does have a lot of good points, and is obviously knowledgeable, but also, overlooks many things.
 
Hi,

Has Trenbolone more benefits in training recovery etc. than other steroids? I mean can we faster recover, train more volume/intensity etc. while using this compound? If yes, why?

OP apologies for the Conatgious distractions but please repost and or rephrase your question. Unless knowing Tren has one of the highest A:A (Anabolic:Androgenic ratios of ALL studied AAS).

So theoretically recovery SHOULD also improve BUT the rate limiting step for Tren MAY BE it's adverse effect on skeletal muscle oxygen demand VS supply M-VaO2.

The latter is really unknown because the only studies I'm aware of involved either Rats, which determined the A:A ratio and Cows which analyzed the Tren's influence on skeletal muscle.

The latter COULD have been more relevant as a human comparison BUT the Cows studied were literal slobs and obviously "exercise" was discouraged because it hampered the primary objective of "fattening them up"!

Moreover Ruminators fixate ambient NO-2 as the nitrogen source needed for amino acid synthesis, a metabolic function humans are incapable of.

So we are some what stuck with the answer to your questions being an unfortunate UNKNOWN!

JIM
 
Considering he hasn't been on this thread in a while, I would have to concur.
Otherwise either me or Dr.Jim would have received a PM by now to "clarify".

I have to admit, Jim's enthusiasm can be pretty convincing, at first glance, and he does have a lot of good points, and is obviously knowledgeable, but also, overlooks many things.


OH no rest assured If you believe I've overlooked something that's not the case at all. Nope the fact is what you believe is relevant, IS EITHER IRRELEVANT , CONTRARY to EXISTING EVIDENCE or ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT and one person posting the like on Meso is doing no one any favors!

Especially myself, CBS or others who have spent an inordinate amount of time ensuring no one believes such "oversights" were legitimate!
 
I've been on tren for a long time, continuously, injecting every day

sleep is kind of erratic, could be other factors doing that too
my body heat is definitely higher than everyone else around me, I can want my shirt off when others working around me have jackets on
night sweats to the point of soaked bed sheets very often

endurance wise, my strength endurance in regard to weight and reps is very good

it is lung endurance that seems like it might be suffering, I get blowing hard and stay blowing for a while to recover after extreme workouts... again a lot of this might be due to the fact I am pushing extremely heavy weight for lots of reps for myself, so stressing the body system harder than it ever would be otherwise
 
You went from idiot to ok and back to idiot.

I don't think you get what's going on here.

This idiot contagion is someone with an agenda. If you do your research you'll see there is a bigger picture outside of your tiny world. Dr Jim and others are countering this fool protecting dumb newbs like you.

You have 300 posts in about 3 months. You need to stop talking and start reading.

Your on your first cycle and don't know shit about steroids, this board and the people in this scene.

Your disrespecting people you should be appreciating.

If your so concerned about the topic this OP wrote do a search. There are tons of threads on this topic.

To the OP sorry your a casualty of war hang in there.

all i did was an observation which if you look on posts you will see its true, regardless of reason.
P.S. im not racing for the posts. i just spend a lot of time here.
and yes im a noob but wasnt everyone a noob when they started??
thnx and sorry to interfere.
 
When I am running tren it feels like I ran a marathon after a heavy triple squatting and I sweat like crazy, drinking excessive amounts of fluid. Odd thing is once I finish lifting weights I find it easier to do cardio than if I just did cardio alone. I am speaking only when I am on tren, off tren my wind lasts much longer.

Strength and overall volume is great but i have to catch my breath amidst almost every rep while squatting. I find that squatting is the most taxing lift and I don't have issues with other compound lifts. When I power clean that can be a pain in the ass but it isn't nearly as bad as squatting.
 
When I am running tren it feels like I ran a marathon after a heavy triple squatting and I sweat like crazy, drinking excessive amounts of fluid. Odd thing is once I finish lifting weights I find it easier to do cardio than if I just did cardio alone. I am speaking only when I am on tren, off tren my wind lasts much longer.

Strength and overall volume is great but i have to catch my breath amidst almost every rep while squatting. I find that squatting is the most taxing lift and I don't have issues with other compound lifts. When I power clean that can be a pain in the ass but it isn't nearly as bad as squatting.



Well! That certainly supports my argument :)


It's very well-known that many compounds (TREN included) will increase BP, again, in *some* people. Ya didn't read the whole thing apparently. [facepalm]


Now while DECA (nandrolone) and Superdrol and such run a higher risk, that is NOT to say Tren will NOT, and Yes, Blood Pressure TOO high, is indicative of an overstimulated nervous system or low N.O levels. This most certainly will lower endurance in most individuals, or at the LEAST, cause one to get winded easier.
 
My bp increases slightly around week 3 of running just test prop and tren ace.

However, I take stimulants, though my bp is normal when I am taking stimulants off cycle they could definitely contribute to the higher bp I experience on cycle. By no means is my bp outrageously high though. Yesterday I believe it was 146 over 82 (nurse said this was a little high, but not bad) and I have been on cycle for a week. Test prop 75 mg ED + tren ace 70mg ED + methylstenbolone 22.5-30mg ED. I think the methylstenbolone is to blame because my bp doesn't normally rise until a couple weeks on cycle.
 
My bp increases slightly around week 3 of running just test prop and tren ace.

However, I take stimulants, though my bp is normal when I am taking stimulants off cycle they could definitely contribute to the higher bp I experience on cycle. By no means is my bp outrageously high though. Yesterday I believe it was 146 over 82 (nurse said this was a little high, but not bad) and I have been on cycle for a week. Test prop 75 mg ED + tren ace 70mg ED + methylstenbolone 22.5-30mg ED. I think the methylstenbolone is to blame because my bp doesn't normally rise until a couple weeks on cycle.


Not all stimulants raise BP that much though, when in synergism with N.O products, some might even give a decrease. For example, Yohimbe/Caffeine plus Arginine Nitrate.
 
Well! That certainly supports my argument :)


Contagion the ConMan what you may contend "supports your argument" for enhanced SALES of that BUNK, JUNK or GARBAGE you call supplements ever since you disgraced the halls of this forum with your first biased opinion (AKA a salesman's pitch) is entirely different than someone else whose vested interest is their health rather than your pocket book.

The fact is NOTHING in G-85 post supports your BIASED OPINION in which you stated, an elevated BP is the consequence (or indicative of) an overstimulated nervous system or the lowering NO levels, which according you LOWERS ENDURANCE or causes one to get WINDED. (Recall I asked you to cite any evidence supporting that BS also, yet after a frantic 24 hour internet search came up with zippo, instead you deflected my question completely)

That's BULLSHIT and is analogous to saying wherever the is snow there are mountains. That's right that doesn't make a damn bit of sense and neither do your fool hearty 2+2 = 100 "supportive arguments", unless of course your interested in selling JUNK (in this instance crap that "RAISES NO") to the unwitting observers who stay up at night awaiting the next 3am Don Popeil infomercial.
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