Trenbolone and training benefits

i just caught a frog.

- how do I tell it's the right type that produces good urine?
- can I squeeze the frog while it micturates? will it "milk" the urine out better?

thanks for the tips!
 
Of course you post NO EVIDENCE Tren increases BP Contagion but rather attempt to diffuse my request for PROOF by combining Tren with other substances which increase BP, lol!

Next you clearly imply an elevated BP is caused by (that's the same as being "indicative of") either TWO factors a "stimulated nervous system or decreased NO levels".

How telling is it that science has been evaluating the causation of HTN for more than 50 years, yet has not come to the same conclusion.

Moreover if your argument had ANY legitimacy can you explain WHY, ACE-I, ARBs, and Ca blockers are effective, NOT!

Oh yea I can read your supportive OPINION already, "they alter NO or nervous system output".

However you can't and won't provide a lick of human scientific research supporting such garbage in spite of FIFTY YEARS OF INTENSIVE STUDY, LOL!

WHAT UTTER HORSE SHIT!!


Because down the line they AFFECT N.O Production. Moreover, Angiotensin-Converting-Enzymes regulate alpha-adrenergic and beta-adrenergic receptors(1).




1.-- The effects of captopril on alpha(1)-adrenoceptor mRNA and protein and phenylephrine-induced contraction was assessed in aorta of pre-hypertensive spontaneously hypertensive rats. 2.-- Four-week-old SHR and WKY rats were treated with captopril [an angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitor] 3 mg kg(-1) day(-1) for 1 week. 3.-- pA(2) values for BMY 7378, an alpha(1D)-adrenoceptor antagonist, were 8.63-9.20 among the different groups. Schild slopes were close to unity suggesting that contraction was produced primarily by alpha(1D)-adrenoceptor stimulation and was not changed with therapy. 4.-- Alpha(1D)-adrenoceptor mRNA and protein values were higher in pre-hypertensive SHR than in WKY, whereas alpha(1A)-adrenoceptor mRNA was higher in WKY and alpha(1B)-adrenoceptors were similar in both strains, and protein was not significantly different for alpha(1A)- and alpha(1B)-subtypes. 5.-- Captopril decreased maximal contraction in SHR, without having effect in WKY rats, while alpha(1D)-adrenoceptor mRNA was decreased in both rat strains but alpha(1D)-adrenoceptor protein was significantly decreased only in SHR, and increased alpha(1A)-mRNA in SHR, no effect of captopril treatment was observed on alpha(1B)-adrenoceptor mRNA and protein nor on alpha(1A)-adrenoceptor protein. 6.-- These data suggest that ACE inhibition by captopril influences both expression and function of alpha(1D)-adrenoceptors in aorta of pre-hypertensive rats, probably avoiding alpha(1D)-subtype expression by blockade of angiotensin II synthesis.


In addition...



Background ACE inhibitors potentiate kinin–nitric oxide (NO)–dependent coronary vascular dilation, and NO can modulate myocardial oxygen consumption. Whether ACE inhibitors also affect myocardial O2 consumption has not been established.

Methods and Results Production of nitrite, a metabolite of NO in aqueous solution, in coronary microvessels and O2 consumption in myocardium were quantified with the use of in vitro tissue preparations, the Greiss reaction, and a Clark-type O2 electrode. In coronary microvessels, kininogen (the precursor of kinin; 10 ?g/mL) and three ACE inhibitors (captopril, enalaprilat, or ramiprilat; 10?8 mol/L) increased nitrite production from 76±6 to 173±15, 123±12, 125±12, and 153±12 pmol/mg, respectively (all P<.05). In myocardium, kininogen (10 ?g/mL) and captopril, enalaprilat, or ramiprilat (10?4 mol/L) reduced cardiac O2 consumption by 41±2%, 19±3%, 25±2%, and 35±2%, respectively. The changes in both nitrite release and O2 consumption in vitro were blocked by N?-nitro-L-arginine methyl ester or N?-nitro-L-arginine, inhibitors of endogenous NO formation. The effects were also blocked by HOE 140, which blocks the bradykinin B2-kinin receptor, and serine protease inhibitors, which inhibit local kinin formation.

Conclusions Our data indicate that stimulation of local kinin formation by use of a precursor for kinin formation or inhibition of kinin degradation by use of ACE inhibitors increases NO formation and is important in the control of cardiac O2 consumption. Vasodilation and control of myocardial O2 consumption by NO may contribute importantly to the therapeutic actions of ACE inhibitors in cardiac disease states.



Inhibition of angiotensin-converting enzyme increases the nitric oxide levels in canine ischemic myocardium.

Abstract
Since angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) produces angiotensin II in the heart, ACE inhibitors may prevent coronary vasoconstriction and increase coronary blood flow. On the other hand, since ACE inhibitors also inhibit kininase II which results in reduced degradation of bradykinin, ACE inhibitors may increase cardiac nitric oxide (NO) levels via stimulation of bradykinin receptors. This study was undertaken to test whether ACE inhibitors increase the cardiac NO levels and coronary blood flow in the ischemic myocardium. In 34 open-chest dogs, the left anterior descending coronary artery was perfused through an extracorporeal bypass tube from the left carotid artery. When either imidaprilat or cilazaprilat of 3 microg/kg/min was infused into the bypass tube for 10 min after reduction of coronary blood flow due to partial occlusion of the bypass tube, coronary blood flow increased from 31 +/- 1 to either 45 +/- 5 or 43 +/- 4 ml/100 g/min despite no changes in coronary perfusion pressure (43 +/- 2 mmHg). During an infusion of either imidaprilat or cilazaprilat, bradykinin and the end-products of NO (nitrate + nitrite) concentrations of coronary venous blood were markedly increased, which were attenuated by either HOE-140 (an inhibitor of bradykinin receptors) or by N(omega)-nitro-L-arginine methyl ester (an inhibitor of NO synthase). We also observed increases in cardiac bradykinin and NO levels due to either imidaprilat or cilazaprilat in the low constant coronary blood flow condition. It is concluded that ACE inhibitors can increase cardiac NO levels via the accumulation of bradykinin in the ischemic myocardium.




The CaV1 subfamily initiates contraction, secretion, regulation of gene expression, integration of synaptic input in neurons, and synaptic transmission at ribbon synapses in specialized sensory cells. The CaV2 subfamily is primarily responsible for initiation of synaptic transmission at fast synapses. The CaV3 subfamily is important for repetitive firing of action potentials in rhythmically firing cells such as cardiac myocytes and thalamic neurons. This article presents the molecular relationships and physiological functions of these Ca2+ channel proteins and provides information on their molecular, genetic, physiological, and pharmacological properties.
 
Hey TNS if you believe Contagion is providing material worth learning, your at liberty to use any other forum exclusive of Meso for your daily dose of "bro science", or you could PM Contagion on a regular basis to fulfill your need for snake oil salesman, junk science, but as for me, I can not and will not ignore the utter nonsense he spews!

Dr Jim im not buying anything out of contageon neither am i gonna hear something here and not research further myself.. and beware the only thing im accusing you but also him too is that you post to each other in like every thread im looking into..
 
Dr Jim im not buying anything out of contageon neither am i gonna hear something here and not research further myself.. and beware the only thing im accusing you but also him too is that you post to each other in like every thread im looking into..

Always research yourself, you should never take anyone's word for it.
The studies I posted are clearly legit though.
 
Because down the line they AFFECT N.O Production. Moreover, Angiotensin-Converting-Enzymes regulate alpha-adrenergic and beta-adrenergic receptors(1).

Always research yourself, you should never take anyone's word for it.
The studies I posted are clearly legit though.

You were asked to explain the mode of action for ACE inhibition on lowering blood pressure. Your in vitro and animal data show an effect on coronary vascular dilation and cardiac O2 consumption which, while beneficial for CHF patients, fails to offer an explanation for ACE-I's primary method of lowering arteriolar resistance and increasing venous capacity - Increased natriuresis by inhibiting the conversion of angiotensin-I to angiotensin-II, a potent vasoconstrictor that results in the production of aldosterone, which promotes sodium and water retention.

Again, you are cherry picking studies that prove a very specific point but distract from the topic. IOW, a red herring. That seems to be your MO.

CBS
 
You were asked to explain the mode of action for ACE inhibition on lowering blood pressure. Your in vitro and animal data show an effect on coronary vascular dilation and cardiac O2 consumption which, while beneficial for CHF patients, fails to offer an explanation for ACE-I's primary method of lowering arteriolar resistance and increasing venous capacity - Increased natriuresis by inhibiting the conversion of angiotensin-I to angiotensin-II, a potent vasoconstrictor that results in the production of aldosterone, which promotes sodium and water retention.

Again, you are cherry picking studies that prove a very specific point but distract from the topic. IOW, a red herring. That seems to be your MO.

CBS


That was NEVER the point. The point was ONLY to prove that ACE inhibitors have been shown to increase N.O, as well as other of similar class.
Which I have just proven.
 
Damn Conatgion you are a FUCKING IDIOT! Oh my goodness you post some "landmark study about INTRA-CARDIAC NO levels" effecting myocardial OXYGEN CONSUMPTION.

Oh fascinating shit dude, however it only suggests ACE inhibitors may lower mortality in patients with ASCVD by effecting NO levels, DUH! Ever heard of sublingual NTG tabs for angina, dumb-ass!

ANY guess how long science has know that mechanism MAY be responsible for the reduced cardiac mortality in patients using them, Clown? Try posting the date of that RAT study for the answer, LOL

NO WHERE DID THESE STUDIES MENTION THE EFFECTS WERE PLAYERS IN BP CONTROL, NOWHERE!

Nope the latter was more shit drooling out of your mouth!
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Damn Conatgion you are a FUCKING IDIOT! Oh my goodness you post some "landmark study about INTRA-CARDIAC NO levels" effecting myocardial OXYGEN CONSUMPTION.

Oh fascinating shit dude, however it only suggests ACE inhibitors may lower mortality in patients with ASCVD by effecting NO levels, DUH! Ever heard of sublingual NTG tabs for angina, dumb-ass!

ANY guess how long science has know that mechanism MAY be responsible for the reduced cardiac mortality in patients using them, Clown? Try posting the date of that RAT study for the answer, LOL

NO WHERE DID THESE STUDIES MENTION THE EFFECTS WERE PLAYERS IN BP CONTROL, NOWHERE!

Nope the latter was more shit drooling out of your mouth!
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Jim's back! Having fun today?

In response, I have two things to say. In bullets.
  • You use too many Acronyms Pal!
  • The point was ONLY to demonstrate that eventually Nitric Oxide is affected by these drugs.
 
Jim's back! Having fun today?

In response, I have two things to say. In bullets.
  • You use too many Acronyms Pal!
  • The point was ONLY to demonstrate that eventually Nitric Oxide is affected by these drugs.


Which is a deflection - a red herring, if you will. The challenge you were issued was to explain the mechanism for lowering blood pressure.

It's a rare post from you - vanishingly so, in fact - which doesn't contain something related to NO. One might speculate as to the reason...
 
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Blood Pressure TOO high, is indicative of an overstimulated nervous system or low N.O levels. .

I asked you to prove your concocted statement above using human trials!
Did you respond as I predicted, yep! Ah golly dude the nervous system or NO levels have to be involved some how to cause BP elevation.

So as expected Contagion locates THREE theoretical RAT studies to diffuse his own stupidity. Predictable!
 
I asked you to prove your concocted statement above using human trials!
Did you respond as I predicted, yep! Ah golly dude the nervous system or NO levels have to be involved some how to cause BP elevation.

So as expected Contagion locates THREE theoretical RAT studies to diffuse his own stupidity. Predictable!

They weren't all rat studies....
 
Dr Jim I think you've bitch slapped him beyond reconciliation proving he is beyond a doubt an idiot.

No offense but there's a point when you've gotta just leave the fucker alone and stop hijacking threads.

I think a simple quote of his post with a picture of horseshit under it will suffice from now on.

Good looking out though.
 
Dr Jim I think you've bitch slapped him beyond reconciliation proving he is beyond a doubt an idiot.

No offense but there's a point when you've gotta just leave the fucker alone and stop hijacking threads.

I think a simple quote of his post with a picture of horseshit under it will suffice from now on.

Good looking out though.



His points really didn't get anywhere tbh. [:o)]
 
Dr Jim I think you've bitch slapped him beyond reconciliation proving he is beyond a doubt an idiot.

No offense but there's a point when you've gotta just leave the fucker alone and stop hijacking threads.

I think a simple quote of his post with a picture of horseshit under it will suffice from now on.

Good looking out though.

Ya know your probably right but I'm genuinely concerned about those noobs who don't know about all the crap this fool spews, mate. He is utterly pathetic and listens to NO ONE!
 
one more post that Dr Jim bashes contageon and we cant learn anything and zero useful related information to the op and the rest of us... thanks to both of you

Dude cmon now, Dr vs bro scientist I want the Dr to chime in to diffuse the bro science no matter how well versed the bro scientist is in broscientisting.
No offense to corogen but even my dumbass has spotted some issues with some of the "knowledge" he has been putting out there being off the mark in more than a few cases.
 
Dr. Jim,

I call BS!!!! I can get frog urine, domestic!!!!!!!!
 
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