TSL LABS

Exactly, thats why I ran it at a TRT dose. Easier to tell if its good or not. From all the labs Ive seen, there seems to be diminishing returns as you go higher. But its hard to say at what degree because everyone is different and reacts differently.

Depending on how the current cycle im doing goes I'll look to do a 500mg test a week bulk and do bloods on that. I got some test e from another source here to do that though. Probably start that in August or September.

Diminishing returns is for your progress and the dosage. Diminishing returns does not apply to the dosage and how it affects your blood levels. There is a linear relationship between dosage and serum levels.
 
Hmm. Ive done other bloodwork not on super high doses. But on watson test cyp at 160 mg a week I got a mid 1300 TT, not quite a 10x return. And at 200mg a week I got an almost 1600 TT.

But some people I have seen on 500-750mg get high 2k up to 5k. So I dunno...

I just meant that your reaction to test becomes less the higher it goes? Just speculating though....
 
Im just looking to keep on shedding some lbs. And maintain my lean mass.(its under there somewhere, lol) Down 20 so far.
I'll be the first to admit I'm afraid to venture into Tren.

What do you think of a Prop/Tren A/Mast P blend - 100/50/50? I gotta get this fat off, but I love mass as well.
 
Thank you for bloods.
Posting labs for who ever gives a shit....

Ran TSL/Omega Testosterone E 250mg/ml at 125mg a week for 5 weeks.(new label) Labs were drawn yesterday approximately 48 hours after last pin.

Only other substance used is Pharmasource pressed tabs of exemestane at 12.5 mg 2 times a week on Sat and Tues.

Kept things as simple as possible.

Good thing members here ran off TSL for his "underdosed" test and supposed heat from LE. (Sarcastically said) This is why we can't have nice things.....

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thanks for posting...I'm still running his stuff. I like what I see, but like u said "can't have nice things". I'm still trying to find another domestic. I'll keep reading. Lmao.
 
I'll be the first to admit I'm afraid to venture into Tren.

What do you think of a Prop/Tren A/Mast P blend - 100/50/50? I gotta get this fat off, but I love mass as well.
Asking the wrong guy. This will be my first actual non TRT cycle but I have read good things about recomp, weight loss on low test, low Tren. If the tren doesnt agree with me I can stop.....Im not afraid to try anything, especially if it is short acting. Im fairly sensitive as to how medications make me feel. Hoping for more on the positive end of things or Ill have some extra tren on my hand.......guess we shall see. May post a cycle log after doing some AM measurements.

Ive been stockpiling different oils to try eventaully. Looking at doing a mast test cruise eventually to see how I like it but thats down the road.
 
Diminishing returns is for your progress and the dosage. Diminishing returns does not apply to the dosage and how it affects your blood levels. There is a linear relationship between dosage and serum levels.
I swear this has been proven false.... let me try and find the study.
 
I'll be the first to admit I'm afraid to venture into Tren.

What do you think of a Prop/Tren A/Mast P blend - 100/50/50? I gotta get this fat off, but I love mass as well.

If you think just running tren will strip the fat off, your gonna be very disappointed. If you wanna get ripped you gotta get your diet in check, do some cardio and bust your ass in the gym.
I know a few fat guys running tren for this reason and not one of them is ripped.
IMO, get yourself down to about 12% bf then throw in some tren. Thats when tren works its magic IME!!!
Good luck.
 
I'm running t
Hmm. Ive done other bloodwork not on super high doses. But on watson test cyp at 160 mg a week I got a mid 1300 TT, not quite a 10x return. And at 200mg a week I got an almost 1600 TT.

But some people I have seen on 500-750mg get high 2k up to 5k. So I dunno...

I just meant that your reaction to test becomes less the higher it goes? Just speculating though....
what is the batch number
 
This isn't what I was looking for but it does demonstrate what im talking about"

The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses,

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men. - PubMed - NCBI

Starts at x10, ends at x4.

A quote from the study itself:

We conclude that changes in circulating testosterone concentrations, induced by GnRH agonist and testosterone administration, are associated with testosterone dose- and concentration-dependent changes in fat-free mass, muscle size, strength and power, fat mass, hemoglobin, HDL cholesterol, and IGF-I levels, in conformity with a single linear dose-response relationship.

You can also ask yourself, what is concentration a measure of which is what testosterone blood levels check? It is a measure of the amount of a constituent divided by the total volume of the mixture. The constituent here is testosterone and the mixture is the blood containing the test. If you add more test to your body without changing how much blood your body has, it can only be a linear relationship.
 
If you think just running tren will strip the fat off, your gonna be very disappointed. If you wanna get ripped you gotta get your diet in check, do some cardio and bust your ass in the gym.
I know a few fat guys running tren for this reason and not one of them is ripped.
IMO, get yourself down to about 12% bf then throw in some tren. Thats when tren works its magic IME!!!
Good luck.
Diet is pretty much in check and bust my ass at the gym 5 days a week. Cardio is 5 days a week as well. Just looking for that extra kick to get the hard crap off.
 
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A quote from the study itself:

We conclude that changes in circulating testosterone concentrations, induced by GnRH agonist and testosterone administration, are associated with testosterone dose- and concentration-dependent changes in fat-free mass, muscle size, strength and power, fat mass, hemoglobin, HDL cholesterol, and IGF-I levels, in conformity with a single linear dose-response relationship.

You can also ask yourself, what is concentration a measure of which is what testosterone blood levels check? It is a measure of the amount of a constituent divided by the total volume of the mixture. The constituent here is testosterone and the mixture is the blood containing the test. If you add more test to your body without changing how much blood your body has, it can only be a linear relationship.
I seeeee.. Thanks doc :)
 
If a guy says they wanna " burn fat" as the reason for running a compound.
All I hear is "I wanna burn fat but can't dial my diet" lol
If a guy who doesn't lift or cycle offers any advice or thoughts on lifting or cycling, all I hear is "I'm just a bitch who doesn't lift or cycle but have to try to maintain my pathetic existence by offering worthless comments on a blog where I pretend to have a life" lol
 
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