TSL LABS

[CdnGuy]

There is usually tons of bullshit in these posts so at times I glance over them. I've never ignored anything here from day ONE.

What blood tests are we referring to in specific, and I will touch on them and we can go from there.

Be specific? The ones I tagged you to last night lol Pathetic!

 

[CdnGuy]

Tsl bloodwork

Test c at 250mg wk scores 1324

Pharma vs tsl at 750mg weekweek

Test c at 750mg wk scores 1264!!!!!

 

[thetsl]

Tsl bloodwork

Test c at 250mg wk scores 1324

Pharma vs tsl at 750mg weekweek

Test c at 750mg wk scores 1264!!!!!

First off, I do not get tags. I do not know how they work or where to even view I was being tagged in something, hence the reason I've never replied to a tag..

Secondly, the two you just tagged Me in were COMPLETELY different tests. One guy pinned 1/2cc twice per week for a total of 250mg. He drew bloods 3 days after and got his score. The 2nd one pinned 750mg, and pulled his bloods I believe 6-7 days after to get his score.

So, when you post 750mg scores 1264, you fail to mention last pin dates to draw dates....

 

[CdnGuy]

First off,do not get tags. I do not know how they work or where to even view I was being tagged in something, hence the reason I've never replied to a tag..

Secondly, the two you just tagged Me in were COMPLETELY different tests. One guy pinned 1/2cc twice per week for a total of 250mg. He drew bloods 3 days after and got his score. The 2nd one pinned 750mg, and pulled his bloods I believe 6-7 days after to get his score.

So, when you post 750mg scores 1264, you fail to mention last pin dates to draw dates....

Just so happens i figured you say that!Lol You seem to forget this thread is full of your passed "stellar" bloods you posted! Have it your way....

 

[Deepwaters1987]

There is usually tons of bullshit in these posts so at times I glance over them. I've never ignored anything here from day ONE.

What blood tests are we referring to in specific, and I will touch on them and we can go from there.

I can't specifically point you to or I'm not going to take the time to look up them up and tag you to them to be honest. I have seen several guys tag you asking about specific bloods though even mine with no response. As I stated in a earlier post I'm not convinced it's done on purpose but maybe you have some inconsistency in your raws. I don't have the answers. I do know that I scored 2300 less than I did on pharma and the only difference was was switching from 450npp to 300 deca and dropping 225mg tren. I could see that causing a slight deviation from the total t numbers but not 2300. Yes we've seen results come back high, low, and spot on in comparison to pharma or what they normally score. The fact that they're not consistently over or under says to me that it's not intentional but rather inconsistent raws. I just know there's several guys that have asked for answers and aren't getting them and it's clear to see that in this thread that it's costing you business. Like @Inquiring Mind said I wouldn't mind seeing you succeed here but guys are really starting to question that here and it's easy to see which is why I made the statement I see this ship sinking because you aren't doing anything to give factual answers. If you had raws tested or tested finished vials here and there you it would go a long way with me and my brothers here, it would also pretty much guarantee you long term success here because guys could see consistency.

 

[thetsl]

Just so happens i figured you say that!Lol You seem to forget this thread is full of your passed "stellar" bloods you posted! Have it your way....

Am Iying about anything , or not stating facts?????????

I'm not dismissing a damn thing. You posted two totally separate blood tests, and I explained what I thought of them. What more did you want ?????

 

[CdnGuy]

Am Iying about anything , or not stating facts?????????

I'm not dismissing a damn thing. You posted two totally separate blood tests, and I explained what I thought of them. What more did you want ?????

So in your "expert" opinion 250mg should still score higher then 750mg?

Edit- You showed back up...good!

 

[thetsl]

I can't specifically point you to or I'm not going to take the time to look up them up and tag you to them to be honest. I have seen several guys tag you asking about specific bloods though even mine with no response. As I stated in a earlier post I'm not convinced it's done on purpose but maybe you have some inconsistency in your raws. I don't have the answers. I do know that I scored 2300 less than I did on pharma and the only difference was was switching from 450npp to 300 deca and dropping 225mg tren. I could see that causing a slight deviation from the total t numbers but not 2300. Yes we've seen results come back high, low, and spot on in comparison to pharma or what they normally score. The fact that they're not consistently over or under says to me that it's not intentional but rather inconsistent raws. I just know there's several guys that have asked for answers and aren't getting them and it's clear to see that in this thread that it's costing you business. Like @Inquiring Mind said I wouldn't mind seeing you succeed here but guys are really starting to question that here and it's easy to see which is why I made the statement I see this ship sinking because you aren't doing anything to give factual answers. If you had raws tested or tested finished vials here and there you it would go a long way with me and my brothers here, it would also pretty much guarantee you long term success here because guys could see consistency.

If anyone here thinks total testosterone numbers should be the same for everyone, they are very uneducated as a whole. Read around some, check out other forums besides meso, look at posts from MPA regarding his pharma testosterone he had tested at 200mg per week landed him in the 400s, etc...

I wouldn't mind having them tested, by all means, I'm all ears on the whereabouts of these testing facilities. I even offer to compensate for bloods , offered to do this testing, etc.

I will stand by my guns though and I do not feel the variations are souly because of inconsistent raws, when guys that are on the same batches of hormone, their tests from different testing facilities are varying. Batches are comprised of at least 100+ vials at a time. When a hormone is suspended per batch, it cannot and will not vary. It was all formulated in its entirety together.

There is also absolutely in no way, shape or form anything is overdosed. A standard powder calculator is used and the same amounts are made every single batch. There is no adding to compensate for not pure raws. Everything is formulated as if it were 100% pure, which in reality, anything above 94% pure is good by most standards.

Also if you look at blood testing as a whole, the variances are so great from lab to lab, from test to test. We have seen insanely high fsh levels compared to the test levels, so forth and so on. We've seen guys TT be well into the 2000s and their free be below 40. ALL of these variances that do not make sense from an analytical stand point, but for some reason guys stick to their total testosterone numbers like it's godsend. Nevermind their libido, overall feeling, progress in the gym, etc. So, with these lab scores that do not add up in the least, we still harp on the total testosterone numbers, and put all of our faith into a $70 blood test, that we can clearly see variances that do not make any sense all of the time.

With all of that being said...... I'm not dismissing the fact that the raws may not be extremely consistent, every single time. I do however feel they are always consistent enough to fall out in a passing range, no matter the circumstance.

 

[CuriousGeorge247]

How acurate are total test results if you are taking several compounds? I didnt get his test cyp or enth but I could get a hold of some and run it like I do my trt to get a single compound conparison....

 

[Roger rabbit]

I recently started drinking Fairlife chocolate milk. I know you guys were talking about it a while back. I don't have much of a sweet tooth thankfully. But I do love chocolate milk. Although it has half the amount of sugar as reg choc milk, I still try to limit my intake as I am worried about gaining too much extra fat from excessive sugar. Do you not concern yourself with that? Are you not worried about extra sugar intake and a spiked insulin?

Use the spike of insulin to your benefit.

Here is an example of what and how i purposely spike my insulin.

Eat a meal before working out. Low glycemic food. Mainly protein only. About 1 hour before and some veggies. ( for vital nutrients)

Then like 10 minutes before my workout I'll use a product called karbolyn ( fast acting carbs ) I'll use 100 grams. Wow! That sounds crazy! I know right. But let's think for a second.

What is the job of insulin? To shuttle nutrients etc to where they need to go.

So when I'm working out my insulin is spike, I have protein floating in body, I'm drinking my aminos and ate those nice veggies for nutrients... where do you think that insulin spike is shuttling all that too?

And what do I do after working out? Still utilizing my insulin spike and immediately slamming down 75-100 grams of protein shake.

There are other ways to manipulate your insulin to your benefit, this is just one example.

So, am I afraid of insulin spike? Nope! Not when I am in control of it.

 

[Mr.B66]

@thetsl

It is extremely hard for members here to sit and swallow the "I have zero testing of my product but I KNOW my product tests perfect" stance which you are taking.

I understand that you have personal practices that lead you to believe that your products are of high quality. HOWEVER, you yourself have openly admitted that you do NOT test your products. So the fact remains that you do NOT know the quality of your finished products. It is completely assumed.

The predicament here is that members are coming forward with DATA which IS being outright dismissed.

Logically, it makes sense to refute data with data. Refute these low tests with your tests of your raws. Whereas you trying to refute data by trying to have members here prove a negative, is impossible and merely frustrates members as the issue being dismissed.

Testing could help you guys with this issue you are facing with some concerned members here. I'm sure this would bring peace of mind to the concerned and will likely increase your overall sales. And all for a $300 Chemtox test of your test E...

Good luck! We want you to succeed! But in the right ways.

WOW!!!!! An intelligent post!!!! That's something you dont see everyday [emoji4]

 

[CdnGuy]

If anyone here thinks total testosterone numbers should be the same for everyone, they are very uneducated as a whole. Read around some, check out other forums besides meso, look at posts from MPA regarding his pharma testosterone he had tested at 200mg per week landed him in the 400s, etc...

I wouldn't mind having them tested, by all means, I'm all ears on the whereabouts of these testing facilities. I even offer to compensate for bloods , offered to do this testing, etc.

I will stand by my guns though and I do not feel the variations are souly because of inconsistent raws, when guys that are on the same batches of hormone, their tests from different testing facilities are varying. Batches are comprised of at least 100+ vials at a time. When a hormone is suspended per batch, it cannot and will not vary. It was all formulated in its entirety together.

There is also absolutely in no way, shape or form anything is overdosed. A standard powder calculator is used and the same amounts are made every single batch. There is no adding to compensate for not pure raws. Everything is formulated as if it were 100% pure, which in reality, anything above 94% pure is good by most standards.

Also if you look at blood testing as a whole, the variances are so great from lab to lab, from test to test. We have seen insanely high fsh levels compared to the test levels, so forth and so on. We've seen guys TT be well into the 2000s and their free be below 40. ALL of these variances that do not make sense from an analytical stand point, but for some reason guys stick to their total testosterone numbers like it's godsend. Nevermind their libido, overall feeling, progress in the gym, etc. So, with these lab scores that do not add up in the least, we still harp on the total testosterone numbers, and put all of our faith into a $70 blood test, that we can clearly see variances that do not make any sense all of the time.

With all of that being said...... I'm not dismissing the fact that the raws may not be extremely consistent, every single time. I do however feel they are always consistent enough to fall out in a passing range, no matter the circumstance.

Huh so when member's post bloods you try to discredit them by any means. Yet when you have posted bloods no can discredit you? Funny how that works Lol This guy is tap dancing around everything!!!!

 

[thetsl]

WOW!!!!! An intelligent post!!!! That's something you dont see everyday [emoji4]

I can post data provided by my distributor. If I post them however, people will discredit it, and say it was falsely printed, or made up on Microsoft word, etc.

So logically , there is no winning. When bloods come back great, all is well. When one comes back low, it's oh no everything is bunk, underdosed, trash...

 

[thetsl]

Huh so when member's post bloods you try to discredit them by any means. Yet when you have posted bloods no can discredit you? Funny how that works Lol This guy is tap dancing around everything!!!!

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I've never discredited anyone. I've never posted any personal bloods, nor ever asked anyone to post their own bloods. The only person I've discredited here I posted his lies for everyone to see, that was the only person I dismissed his results , because In reality, he was lying.

 

[Roger rabbit]

I can post data provided by my distributor. If I post them however, people will discredit it, and say it was falsely printed, or made up on Microsoft word, etc.

So logically , there is no winning. When bloods come back great, all is well. When one comes back low, it's oh no everything is bunk, underdosed, trash...

Have you ever thought about doing mass spec on your raws? I know of one lab in particular who does this. He's posted several of his raws that underperformed and basically adjusted accordingly for his clients. But at least his clients could see his mass specs and say weather they wanted to pass or play on that hormone that round or not.

 

[Mr.B66]

I can post data provided by my distributor. If I post them however, people will discredit it, and say it was falsely printed, or made up on Microsoft word, etc.

So logically , there is no winning. When bloods come back great, all is well. When one comes back low, it's oh no everything is bunk, underdosed, trash...

I agree, being a source on meso is a tough endeavor, i wouldnt trade places with you for all the tea in china [emoji4]

 

[thetsl]

Have you ever thought about doing mass spec on your raws? I know of one lab in particular who does this. He's posted several of his raws that underperformed and basically adjusted accordingly for his clients. But at least his clients could see his mass specs and say weather they wanted to pass or play on that hormone that round or not.

Would absolutely love to. Have offered numerous times for guys to let me know where they are sending theirs off to be spec...

There is a certain member here who I believe does not post much but is power lifter. He's been a client of mine for a little while now, he informed me over email his coach sent some testosterone off for mass spec. And it came back with great numbers, but he did not share it in paper.

I emailed him and have inquired and even offered to send other items off and to pay for the testing.

So once again , if anyone has a connection on mass spec, please let me know.

 

[Roger rabbit]

Would absolutely love to. Have offered numerous times for guys to let me know where they are sending theirs off to be spec...

There is a certain member here who I believe does not post much but is power lifter. He's been a client of mine for a little while now, he informed me over email his coach sent some testosterone off for mass spec. And it came back with great numbers, but he did not share it in paper.

I emailed him and have inquired and even offered to send other items off and to pay for the testing.

So once again , if anyone has a connection on mass spec, please let me know.

I do not have this knowledge unfortunately. But hopefully someone will step up and get you that information. As this is pretty much what all
The members in this thread are looking for.

So perhaps, we can call the cards here and the ones who are good at research can find this information out, so tsl can get some
Mass. specs done on his supply for us.

 

[thetsl]

I agree, being a source on meso is a tough endeavor, i wouldnt trade places with you for all the tea in china [emoji4]

The wildest thing is, the most quiet guys here, the ones who compete at very high levels in their respected sports and utilize the anabolics for a specific purpose are not hell bent on TT numbers, or anything of that sort. Many of my personal friends who compete only do bloods for health reasons. Their sitting at 270 with abs in the off season, having sex 3 times per day, repping 405 for 12 reps, feeling amazing. The last thing they are worried about is if they did not score a 4200 on 500mg pinned 46 hours prior because if they scored let's say a 3300, all of their gains would be diminished, their libido would crash and they would just be devastated.............

 

[CdnGuy]

nor ever asked anyone to post their own bloods

Unreal....see you tmrw sir I'll be sure to refresh your memory then. Good night