Ukrainian laboratory ?

[crosati]

hello forum do you know the laboratory I think Ukrainian whose name I do not know that you find in telegram Хроматографический анализ препаратов .
Does it do paid analysis ? do you know if it has a site ?

 

[janoshik]

Yes, I am aware of them.

They are full of shit, but hey, I'm sure the people whose closest encounter with an analytical lab was passing it on a street will tell you that I'm just jealous or something.

Maybe they can elaborate on how is this lab testing thermally unstable compounds (you know, the kind that can't be tested on a GC) at a GCMS (note the GC part).

They obviously do posses an ancient GCMS, which lets them ID stuff, which is plenty enough to fool unquestioning audience.

 

[crosati]

so having an old machine is no longer reliable?

 

[janoshik]

so having an old machine is no longer reliable?

No, that's what I meant.

I did mention the ancient GCMS part only to underline the assumed capability of the laboratory.

The more important point was that the machine is permitting them to do some testing, which gives them enough data to fool people who are not familiar with the process and that the machine is not usable to test some of the samples they've claimed to have tested at all.

 

[Deleted member 127229]

Yes, I am aware of them.

They are full of shit, but hey, I'm sure the people whose closest encounter with an analytical lab was passing it on a street will tell you that I'm just jealous or something.

Maybe they can elaborate on how is this lab testing thermally unstable compounds (you know, the kind that can't be tested on a GC) at a GCMS (note the GC part).

They obviously do posses an ancient GCMS, which lets them ID stuff, which is plenty enough to fool unquestioning audience.

I don't recall a analytical lab that you DIDN'T shit on. I'm not say I don't use your services but you seem to shit on everyone in existence. Even the legal ones in the USA with DEA licenses.

 

[janoshik]

I don't recall a analytical lab that you DIDN'T shit on. I'm not say I don't use your services but you seem to shit on everyone in existence. Even the legal ones in the USA with DEA licenses.

Well, name and shame.

Do feel free to post all the occasions I've done so and have been wrong.

 

[Deleted member 127229]

Well, name and shame.

Do feel free to post all the occasions I've done so and have been wrong.

Analiza Bialek. A double blind test showed they can provide analysis of AAS in a blind case.

Do you see other vendors posting in other vendors threads shitting on them? Instead of causing drama just worry about your own company

 

[janoshik]

Analiza Bialek. A double blind test showed they can provide analysis of AAS in a blind case.

Do you see other vendors posting in other vendors threads shitting on them? Instead of causing drama just worry about your own company

Well, let's look at who's having trouble with reading comprehension here.

Have you even bothered reading what I have posted in their thread or are you just wasting my time on purpose?

Congratulations to them for getting into the 10% ballpark though.

 

[janoshik]

No worries though, I'll gladly go through it one more time.

1) I inquired about them being legal. They claimed they are. I knew they weren't, lasted them one page until they admitted to their overseas clients they can't get their packs from the customs (and endangering their clients with investigations). Jano right again. Bialek caught lying within one page of their thread on meso. Doh.

To be continued

 

[Type-IIx]

Analiza Bialek. A double blind test showed they can provide analysis of AAS in a blind case.

Do you see other vendors posting in other vendors threads shitting on them? Instead of causing drama just worry about your own company

TBF, jano is actually respected in his field outside of this community. His criticism of this lab was patently valid and fair.

Success breeds envy; there will always be scorn in the hearts of those that failed to seize upon that idea that they had once (or maybe not even so), and who lacked the education and will to action, including risk tolerance, to make that idea into a reality.

This is what jano seems to have done quite successfully with HP/LC analysis at considerable risk, considering the expense of that equipment and the uncertainties of a market that hadn't really existed. In a way he willed the primordial concept of AAS harm reduction into a tangible thing, a service.

I cannot say what his motivations are on this laboratory, whether legitimate concern, or at least some part business, but I do think that he'd not bring attention to a competitor if that competitor were a superior one.

 

[janoshik]

2) I notice a lot of their legal company reports are dated before their company was set up. They claim they did tests under different name company. Don't provide anymore info to verify. Jano ri... Oh who cares.

3) A lot of their reports from before they were incorporated are on a site I suspect they are associated with. I point it out, site goes offline same day. Wow

4) i point out bullshit numbering of their reports, they admit it. Woah

5) i suggest their claimed margin of error is horseshit, even other people are already catching on in their thread on that.

 

[janoshik]

I also write other stuff, like explanation about EU VAT to people inquiring, which is general verifiable knowledge.

Now, please, instead of downvoting me and spreading more misinformation, @5scoops , do let me know where exactly I shat on them, where I was wrong and where I wrote they can't test at all?

Also, please, do look up what double blind means. You use it wrong.

Technically, it wasn't even blind as the info what was sent to them was posted online before they delivered the result.

Sigh.

 

[janoshik]

TBF, jano is actually respected in his field outside of this community. His criticism of this lab was patently valid and fair.

Success breeds envy; there will always be scorn in the hearts of those that failed to seize upon that idea that they had once (or maybe not even so), and who lacked the education and will to action, including risk tolerance, to make that idea into a reality.

This is what jano seems to have done quite successfully with HP/LC analysis at considerable risk, considering the expense of that equipment and the uncertainties of a market that hadn't really existed. In a way he willed the primordial concept of AAS harm reduction into a tangible thing, a service.

I cannot say what his motivations are on this laboratory, whether legitimate concern, or at least some part business, but I do think that he'd not bring attention to a competitor if that competitor were a superior one.

I wish I had your finesse in expressing myself.

Indeed, I believe you can imagine how much of a competitor I consider an illegal business that has worse turnaround at replying emails than we have at handling intercontinental logistics of a hundred orders. 'Their' chemist works full time elsewhere... Sigh.

I simply don't think they are independent nor qualified and their lies endanger their clients and harm reduction in general. What's worse, I was able to catch them lying too fast too easily without even interacting with them first...

 

[janoshik]

@5scoops fiy to further prove you wrong, if you check, i have recommended and still do recommend lab4tox to people who are not comfortable with me or wish for something I can't do and I don't recall "shitting" on them either...

I am sorry about being extremely confrontational, but then again, I really do lack the finesse, love facts and I'm too phoneposting to be able to put it in a nicer way... I literally don't know how to handle situations like this better.

 

[Deleted member 127229]

Wow lmfao

 

[janoshik]

Wow lmfao

That's a weird way to say "I'm sorry Jano, I was wrong," but well.

 

[crosati]

excuse me Jano I would just like to understand , if I compare your results with only written what substance there is and in what amount , while in Ukrainian lab I have the same things plus a list of everything found dento with related chromatography paper , why their reports should not be valid ?

 

[janoshik]

excuse me Jano I would just like to understand , if I compare your results with only written what substance there is and in what amount , while in Ukrainian lab I have the same things plus a list of everything found dento with related chromatography paper , why their reports should not be valid ?

Because you can't test thermally decomposing SARMS with GC and the fact they try to pass it as if you could shows that they either never meant the results seriously or are insanely inept.

Also GCMS has inherent margin of error of accuracy AND precision that's higher than some of the well testing brands general results deviation from 'ideal' value...

That's just upon a quick look of mine.

 

[crosati]

I do not understand not being in the industry , what do you mean....

 

[janoshik]

I do not understand not being in the industry , what do you mean....

Some results are suspiciously accurate, given the machine they use.

They test stuff (SARMS) that decomposes when hot.

The machine they use makes things very hot.

You can't really test decomposed stuff.

If they do not know/realize that, they are very very very bad at their job.

If they know that, they are deliberately misleading.