Ghost guns

[nightprowler7]

I see these in the news a lot recently because of the murder of united healthcare CEO.

Anyone build one?

Thoughts on making them illegal? Think it’ll curb crime?



I don’t think making them illegal or requiring a 4473 will change crime rates. Criminals don’t follow the law so they’ll just obtain a firearm through other illegal means like theft. Instead of creating new laws, Liberals should instead focus on actually punishing people for breaking existing laws. You can create all the laws you like but unless you enforce them aggressively, You’ll just see higher crime rates. If Joe smith gets a slap on the wrist and a hug for committing a violent crime, Whst incentive does he have to follow the law now? You’ve only reinforced his behavior by not punishing him to the maximum extent of the law.


Ironically, Ghost guns are already illegal in New York so it kinda proves my point here.

 

[iris]

Elizabeth Warren about the shooting of the insurance guy in NY:

"The visceral response from people across this country who feel cheated, ripped off, and threatened by the vile practices of their insurance companies should be a warning to everyone in the health care system,” Warren told HuffPost.

The very progressive left trying to justify a murder when it serves their purposes.
Standard.
Had the shooter been openly from the opposite side of the political spectrum, though...

 

[Benf15harp]

I just make my guns out of resin like in classic early 90’s movie in the line of fire. Lol

 

[nightprowler7]

This guy will probably get more time federally for unlawful possession of a silencer than he will for second degree murder in NYC.

I can’t think of a more miserable existence than living in fear in my own home and neighborhood. Unable to lawfully protect myself without fear of being prosecuted by the woke DA. As just recently happened with the subway chokehold incident.

NYC is such a shithole

 

[iris]

Instead of creating new laws, Liberals should instead focus on actually punishing people for breaking existing laws.

This.
Agree.

You do support gun ownership, though.
Do you think current gun control laws in the US are acceptable or should anything be changed?

 

[iris]

As just recently happened with the subway chokehold incident.

Yep.
The guy being charged was outrageous.
But I read he was recently acquitted

 

[nightprowler7]

This.
Agree.

You do support gun ownership, though.
Do you think current gun control laws in the US are acceptable or should anything be changed?

Yes, I have very strong opinions on the 2nd amendment. I believe the law should be interpreted exactly as it was written (there are many sheriffs that are called “constitutional sheriffs” in America who agree with my interpretation). I personally don’t think I should be required to have a CCW permit, I believe it’s my constitutional right and many state lawmakers feel the same so no CCW is required in a few states to lawfully carry a concealed firearm. In my state no CCW is required now, But I still followed the law when they were required because I didn’t want issues.



I feel current gun laws and socially aware FFL dealers do a great job keeping prohibited persons from obtaining firearms. Awhile back this liberal “journalist” I use that word lightly, Was trying to prove how easy it is to obtain a AR-15 style rifle because a gun store offered quick FFL checks, He filled out the 4473 paperwork required by the ATF and was denied because of a domestic violence conviction lol. So he proved the system works from keeping dangerous individuals from owning a firearm.

 

[nightprowler7]

Only in states and cities with strict gun laws on lawful gun owners restricting ownership, capacity, or ability to carry…..Those are the cities and states with the highest firearm crime rates, Go figure. Because no one can protect themselves

 

[bighunanballs]

"Shall not be infringed", Pretty simple idea there...

Regulations will only hurt law abiding citizens. Criminals will always be able to illegally obtain anything. Prior to this, Luigi was a "law abiding citizen" anyways, he could have obtained a firearm through any channel. What "laws" could a beauracrat cook up that would have stopped this individual from assassinating this CEO? Even if America turned into some socialist utopia one day and the Jack booted thugs tried to outlaw all firearms there's absolutely no chance in hell The citizenry is going to hand over hundreds of millions at this point firearms you can never get the guns off the streets now It is ingrained in our culture and American DNA. Honestly they should teach firearm safety handling and whatnot in schools for everyone.

All guns should be ghost guns. It's none of the government's business who owns what firearms.

 

[nightprowler7]

"Shall not be infringed", Pretty simple idea there...

Regulations will only hurt law abiding citizens. Criminals will always be able to illegally obtain anything. Prior to this, Luigi was a "law abiding citizen" anyways, he could have obtained a firearm through any channel. What "laws" could a beauracrat cook up that would have stopped this individual from assassinating this CEO? Even if America turned into some socialist utopia one day and the Jack booted thugs tried to outlaw all firearms there's absolutely no chance in hell The citizenry is going to hand over hundreds of millions at this point firearms you can never get the guns off the streets now It is ingrained in our culture and American DNA. Honestly they should teach firearm safety handling and whatnot in schools for everyone.

All guns should be ghost guns. It's none of the government's business who owns what firearms.

Well said. I especially like the teaching firearm safety comment. Adults who teach their children guns are taboo and to stay away from them are only reinforcing their curiosity. Which often leads to them trying to manipulate or play with a gun they might discover at a friends parents house or something like that. And of course with no education on firearm safety, This sometimes ends in tragedy. I remember my mom showing me her handgun when I was 5 or 6 years old, Telling me what it does and how serious it is to handle something like this and the consequences of mishandling it. I had no interest in guns after that until I started getting into hunting and camping. The lure and curiosity was gone.

 

[ThePepBrother]

I see these in the news a lot recently because of the murder of united healthcare CEO.

Anyone build one?

Thoughts on making them illegal? Think it’ll curb crime?



I don’t think making them illegal or requiring a 4473 will change crime rates. Criminals don’t follow the law so they’ll just obtain a firearm through other illegal means like theft. Instead of creating new laws, Liberals should instead focus on actually punishing people for breaking existing laws. You can create all the laws you like but unless you enforce them aggressively, You’ll just see higher crime rates. If Joe smith gets a slap on the wrist and a hug for committing a violent crime, Whst incentive does he have to follow the law now? You’ve only reinforced his behavior by not punishing him to the maximum extent of the law.


Ironically, Ghost guns are already illegal in New York so it kinda proves my point here.

Gun laws don’t stop gun-related crimes, because criminals don’t care about the law. Gun laws in the US only restrict law-abiding citizens from their constitutional rights to defend themselves. California and New York have some of the most restrictive gun laws, yet they also have some of the highest gun-related crimes. Why? Because the politicians and laws in those states are restrictive on the law-abiding citizens and easy on the lawless criminals.

 

[iris]

Gun laws don’t stop gun-related crimes, because criminals don’t care about the law. Gun laws in the US only restrict law-abiding citizens from their constitutional rights to defend themselves. California and New York have some of the most restrictive gun laws, yet they also have some of the highest gun-related crimes. Why? Because the politicians and laws in those states are restrictive on the law-abiding citizens and easy on the lawless criminals.

But this doesn't say anything about the law itself, just about how criminals are dealt with (or not), which is something else.

I gather that, for you, restrictions/regulations should be abolished, instead

 

[ThePepBrother]

But this doesn't say anything about the law itself, just about how criminals are dealt with (or not), which is something else.

I gather that, for you, restrictions/regulations should be abolished, instead

I don’t think they should all be abolished. Criminals and certified mentally unstable persons shouldn’t be allowed to legally buy or be in possession of a gun or ammunition. We need laws that re-enforce those issues. We don’t need laws that, in short; restrict the law-abiding from lawful possession or ownership; that unjustly tax the law-abiding for the potential actions of the lawless (i.e.: gun and ammo purchase taxes and ownership insurance requirements); and/or restrict law-abiding citizens from where and when they can possess their firearms. Firearms-use punishment enhancement laws are also good in my opinion (i.e.: If you use a gun to rob a bank you get an extra 10 years added to your bank robbery punishment).

 

[bighunanballs]

Why don't we make crimes illegal? Then there wouldn't be any crimes. You would think making steroids illegal would stop all of us on the board from using ped's.

Until we solve that riddle, gun restrictions will never work. We will never be able to rid the American citizenry of firearms so restrictions can only hinder those that actually follow the laws. The gun laws/restrictions are merely a facade to force law abiding citizens into an "outlaw" domain where the police state can then sweep up normal folks into the criminal/court systems guaranteeing their perpetual existence.

 

[bighunanballs]

I don’t think they should all be abolished. Criminals and certified mentally unstable persons shouldn’t be allowed to legally buy or be in possession of a gun or ammunition.

Slippery slope there. Define "criminal"... In the act of a crime? Most of us on this board are criminals.

Do you know how easy it is to be "certified" mentally unstable. All it takes is an alcoholic to use their insurance to help them get alcoholism treatment through the psych ward (most insurance use these hospitals for in/out patient).

 

[iris]

Slippery slope there. Define "criminal"... In the act of a crime? Most of us on this board are criminals.

Do you know how easy it is to be "certified" mentally unstable. All it takes is an alcoholic to use their insurance to help them get alcoholism treatment through the psych ward (most insurance use these hospitals for in/out patient).

So gun ownership fully deregulated and only gun use legislated about.

 

[ThePepBrother]

Slippery slope there. Define "criminal"... In the act of a crime? Most of us on this board are criminals.

Do you know how easy it is to be "certified" mentally unstable. All it takes is an alcoholic to use their insurance to help them get alcoholism treatment through the psych ward (most insurance use these hospitals for in/out patient).

That’s open to discussion of a new sort, but my definition of “criminal” would be a person, CONVICTED by a legal ruling of the court, of having committed a felony.

As for being “certified” as mentally unstable; that too, IMHO, should include the evaluated assessment by medical/psychiatric doctors based upon known behaviors, such as being a danger to one’s self, a danger to others, or being criminally insane.

 

[narta]

It's not the laws, its the culture and mentality. Hillbillies hoarding guns cause "it's my constitutional right god damn it!".

Fun fact: Switzerland is one of the most liberal countries when it comes to gun ownership, you can have semi automatics or even fully automatic guns with the proper permit, a customary thing due to its militia based armed forces. Nearly every single house has some short of gun there, yet they have one of the lowest if not THE lowest gun related crimes in the world

The average American be like:

 

[Sampei]

It's not the laws, its the culture and mentality. Hillbillies hoarding guns cause "it's my constitutional right god damn it!".

Fun fact: Switzerland is one of the most liberal countries when it comes to gun ownership, you can have semi automatics or even fully automatic guns with the proper permit, a customary thing due to its militia based armed forces. Nearly every single house has some short of gun there, yet they have one of the lowest if not THE lowest gun related crimes in the world

The average American be like:

Ameritards Will be ameritards. Enough said

 

[bighunanballs]

It's not the laws, its the culture and mentality. Hillbillies hoarding guns cause "it's my constitutional right god damn it!".

Fun fact: Switzerland is one of the most liberal countries when it comes to gun ownership, you can have semi automatics or even fully automatic guns with the proper permit, a customary thing due to its militia based armed forces. Nearly every single house has some short of gun there, yet they have one of the lowest if not THE lowest gun related crimes in the world

The average American be like:

The country "it's my constitutional right god dqmn it!" hillbillies aren't the ones out there in masse killing and robbing folks so not sure how that "culture" relates to gun violence....

In the United States, armed crimes vary by ethnicity in several ways, including:
Gun homicide rates
Black people have higher rates of gun homicide than White people across all age groups. In 2021, the gun homicide rate for Black people aged 15–24 was 70.65 per 100,000 people, compared to 2.71 per 100,000 for White people in the same age group.