I'm almost 200% sure you're right.
Forget the philosophy. Everything is in the numbers as attached.
The real questions are:
1. Does our shit work independent of foreign tech?
2. Do we have anyone with half a brain to operate?
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I'm almost 200% sure you're right.
Fundamentally I'm an anarchist, I despise power no matter who's hands it's in, doesn't matter if it's in public or private hands.
And as Meso's armchair anarchist, what have you done to provoke change?
Coming to a steroid forum, almost exclusively to bitch in a political sub-forum about how America and every one in it is stupid except you doesn't count.
Philosophically an anarchist can go down many roads. There's not one flavor of anarchy, you have communist, tribalism, individualist.
Take a camp like slab city in Southern California, no laws, no taxation. Mostly it's a place for crazies. However it's interesting to watch it all go down.
So in the case of slab city they don't tolerate child molesters, I know this because they burn down their trailers or shacks if they find out you have a previous history. It's all very organic in that the crowd or tribe swoop in and clean up the mess themselves.
As far as keeping your hard earned wealth, that is only the product of the state. An anarchist could just walk up to a rich man and dispatch him and toss him in a hole to hide his body.
Those that think the government stands in the way of getting rich are kidding themselves, without the government that is completely owned and operated by the rich, for the rich, the rich would be served up to the guillotine. There is no logical reason the poor would tolerate the rich without the state and most importantly religion to pollute their minds with fairy-tales that they to will one day be rich if they bust their ass.
Yes I'm an anarchist ultimately because I agree with the principle of anarchy. I would never fight for this country, I will fight for myself. I have no use for any of the laws of the land, we understand that laws are the figment of imagination to keep a certain opulent minority in power. However this is the big difference, I wouldn't stand in the way of a new order coming out of the ashes. I would laugh at the rich running down the streets for their lives. I would laugh because they had a chance to keep this from happening, but they fucked up and so I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the show.
The ideas of the anarcho capitalists are poison to me. I see them as handing over power to the globalist and monopolists. I don't want anyone to have power, but if someone has to go down it might as well be the rich first as that shit has needed to be gotten rid of for a long long time.
A Slab City resident was asked how you guys keep the peace, deal with rude people. The man being interviewed pointed to his shotgun "he said there's lots of places to dig a hole in the desert". It was as simple as that.
The thing that most people don't realize about the anarchist is that the gloves are taken off. Just because the government is out of the way doesn't mean there aren't other tyrants in this country. You can go back to the industrialists that were constant targets of the anarchists for bombings because they turned humans into slaves. It's obvious tyrants don't last long if there's no police state to keep them in power.
I find the philosophy and the short periods of rebellion inspiring. The Anarchist ultimately was the target for the industrialists that would have humanity enslaved. We saw numerous uprisings in history that turned into a blood bath, but they are inspiring in the sense that there are the few people that will fight back even if it means the state hunts them down and puts a noose around their necks. The fact that the state so hated them is what makes me respect them
And as Meso's armchair anarchist, what have you done to provoke change?
Coming to a steroid forum, almost exclusively to bitch in a political sub-forum about how America and every one in it is stupid except you doesn't count.
That's the question, isn't it? What have you done?And as Meso's armchair anarchist, what have you done to provoke change?
Coming to a steroid forum, almost exclusively to bitch in a political sub-forum about how America and every one in it is stupid except you doesn't count.
Philosophical Anarchism: Philosophical anarchism is an anarchist school of thought which focuses on intellectual criticism of authority, especially political power, and the legitimacy of governments. That's Google.He's obviously no anarchist.
"Philosophical anarchist" what the fuck is that?
And since when would any anarchist advocate for bigger government and more government services?
This guy is a college kid and an educated idiot who's heard alot of different words and doesn't understand any of them.
Then sit back and enjoy the show, because you have alot to learn.
Talk less, listen more.
Society is more or less a temporary alliance of vested interests. The second one side gets an advantage over the other, all bets are off and the ring of doom is re-opened and all alliances are renegotiated. By the point of a gun.
Giving government more control is the exact opposite of what any real anarchist would advocate, because control is advantage.
Pull your head out of your ass. You're a college student in A whirlwind of ideas and dogmas you don't yet understand. What's worse, you're being indoctrinated to believe the exact opposite of reality.
"Philosophical anarchy" is bullshit. Government advocating for control of private responsibility is communism. Not anarchy.
Anarchy is still within the bounds of natural order. And everything will have its time in the process. In the broad scheme of mankind, governments will rise and fall, none will last forever. Victory, by nature is a temporary state of affairs only, and in the struggle for survival, there is no compromise, Victory temporarily sanctifies, and nature rules.
He's obviously no anarchist.
"Philosophical anarchist" what the fuck is that?
And since when would any anarchist advocate for bigger government and more government services?
This guy is a college kid and an educated idiot who's heard alot of different words and doesn't understand any of them.
Then sit back and enjoy the show, because you have alot to learn.
Talk less, listen more.
Society is more or less a temporary alliance of vested interests. The second one side gets an advantage over the other, all bets are off and the ring of doom is re-opened and all alliances are renegotiated. By the point of a gun.
Giving government more control is the exact opposite of what any real anarchist would advocate, because control is advantage.
Pull your head out of your ass. You're a college student in A whirlwind of ideas and dogmas you don't yet understand. What's worse, you're being indoctrinated to believe the exact opposite of reality.
"Philosophical anarchy" is bullshit. Government advocating for control of private responsibility is communism. Not anarchy.
Anarchy is still within the bounds of natural order. And everything will have its time in the process. In the broad scheme of mankind, governments will rise and fall, none will last forever. Victory, by nature is a temporary state of affairs only, and in the struggle for survival, there is no compromise, Victory temporarily sanctifies, and nature rules.
That's the question, isn't it? What have you done?
Seems to me the left have been far more active, expressing their beliefs the past 20 years or so, relative to the other bogus, pretend party available.
MSG calm your perky luscious tits man.i'm definitely not into politics, and probably should've left well enough alone, but this fucking guy irks me.
He creates a new user name every few weeks claiming it's good OPSEC, but then continues where he left of with the previous user name. Yeah, that's gonna confuse "the man"... Who couldn't care less about some loud mouth nobody that's never going to do anything to get himself in trouble.
Then it's nothing but the same repetitive wannabe anarchist bullshit over and over again worded slightly differently each time.
Sorry, rant over. i should've just put him on ignore to begin with. i never read the long winded book posts that he writes anyway.
Philosophical Anarchism: Philosophical anarchism is an anarchist school of thought which focuses on intellectual criticism of authority, especially political power, and the legitimacy of governments. That's Google.
There's no such thing as a right to rule others. Only the question of capabilities. The truth is that one has a right to anything he's capable of taking....and keeping...by force. No such thing as rights. Those with the power to rule, do rule if they choose. As long as they have the power to do so and the strength to keep it.Anarcho individualism doesn't need others to join the club, you simply state that you aren't a statist and that you will question the power of the state and anyone that feels they have a justifiable right to rule others.
How do I exercise it. I'm called up to jury duty, when they ask me what my views were, I told them I will use Jury nullification, I will interpret the law for myself, I will vote not guilty in almost 100% of the cases I might hear(most of them were gonna be drug cases). I stated that I'm an anarchist and that is when they dismissed me and told me I will never be called for jury duty again.
As for you Hughinn. I'm having a tough time trying to figure this guy out. He questions the government, claims it can't fix a pot hole, can't do much of anything right, but at the same time puts his faith in the government in some respect to do something right.
Please define yourself Hughinn so I can see what position you're taking. Are you for the private sector taking over the economy, are you a tea party member. You want the government that can't fix pot holes to some how protect our borders? Do you think we should have private police. Private roads, private schools. Everything is for sale to the highest bidder and the rest can piss off.
As for the natural order. What exactly is that.
In order to carry that out you would have to have people subordinate themselves to that order. That is the only way you can make that work. You have to find masses of those with a slave mentality that won't flip out and do what is really their true nature which is eliminate the tyrant even if it cost them their lives.
This society is really based on fear, fear of the government and fear of those in control of the private sector. You have two sets of tyrants, the private sector has experienced the worker that goes postal, the government or at least this government has only had a tiny taste of what is possible if millions of men band together.
So define your position and "philosophy" Hughinn.
Hughinn so you accept natural order and passively bow to that natural order?Google is bullshit. Run by the same people you claim to hate for the purpose of control you claim to despise.
There's no such thing as a right to rule others. Only the question of capabilities. The truth is that one has a right to anything he's capable of taking....and keeping...by force. No such thing as rights.
Childish reaffirming nonsense
I don't put any faith in the government. I've said time and time again only an idiot capon would willingly give them more control.
Isn't that already the way it is?
The natural order is that order which is ordained by nature. Because whatever nature propogates is right.
If the sun shines, then it is right for the sun to shine, if the tides ebb and flow, then it is right that they should ebb and flow. If inferior organisms of any type are subjected and preyed upon by superior organisms, then it is right that it should be so.
That's exactly how anarchy fits naturally into the natural order. Because nature wishes it to be. Out of organization and empire, comes anarchy. Out of anarchy comes empire as forces collide and the strong consolidate purpose.
They already have a slave mentality. What are Constitution's, government charters and declarations if not glorified and decorated slave contract's? Meant to appease and persuade cooperation from the masses.
What are licenses, social security cards and I'd cards but ear tags for livestock?
What are borders and passports but fences and gate (grazing) permissions for the same?
Based on fear and consent.
Because every tyranny, despot or bellowing herd of democracy is based on the fear and consent of the subjected. This is without exception.
I don't put any faith in government past knowing what it is.
You can't figure me out because I've been preaching anarchist fundamental basics to someone like you who's merely a wanna be with no understanding whatsoever of what you claim to espouse. You're a kid playing games with an idea you don't understand.
And your in over your head.
Okay, no philosophy. Tell us as a connoisseur of true information. I am listening to you carefully.Forget the philosophy. Everything is in the numbers as attached.
The real questions are:
1. Does our shit work independent of foreign tech?
2. Do we have anyone with half a brain to operate?
Hughinn so you accept natural order and passively bow to that natural order?
Of you do you set limitations on what you will accept when you have some control?
What do you do if the government or someone in the private sector that is higher up on the hierarchy is gonna bend you over and stick his foot long up your rump. Do you accept that as a natural order, or do you try to resist?
I'm not understanding what you're doing by your constant criticisms, but at the same time your ramblings about natural order which is mostly bullshit. I'm not talking about the laws of the universe, I don't give a shit if the universe smashes me with a rock from space, that's beyond my control.
I just want to know where you draw "your" line when you are being screwed over in a situation that you could control, but there could be very serious consequences(death or life in prison) if you stand up for yourself.
A philosophical position is where you have the ability to criticize the power that is used to subject the masses to their daily humiliation.
That's basically what philosophy is, very little of it is actually action, or long lived action before it reaches a point where the individual isn't willing to sacrifice his or her life.
I've studied the history of anarchism and the practice of it, but I understand that the actual practice is very short lived because of the states ability to bring in armies to kill anyone that wants to have some say in their own life.
You're not the first person to have this silly idea that anarchism is one thing. It becomes anarchism as we know it today in the mid 1800's where workers had few or no rights and it progresses even into America in Chicago where workers were used as slaves and lived in squalor and disease while the industrialists had nice meals and lived in mansions. It starts with dynamite under carriages, under offices. It often finishes when anarchist are rounded up and sent to the gallows to strike fear into the masses to never try that again.
Isn't Anarchism simply a request that everyone that wants power, is expected to justify that power and not some bullshit about the natural order as there is no man that walks on this planet that can't be stuffed into a hole in the ground.
Wait a second partner.Obviously you didn't read anything I wrote, or perhaps lack the intellect to understand.
All of your questions were answered.
I'm done with you
This is basically the core of what you're stating.Anarchy is still within the bounds of natural order. And everything will have its time in the process. In the broad scheme of mankind, governments will rise and fall, none will last forever. Victory, by nature is a temporary state of affairs only, and in the struggle for survival, there is no compromise, Victory temporarily sanctifies, and nature rules.
This is basically the core of what you're stating.
That power will ebb and flow in both directions.....not exactly mind blowing stuff Hughinn.
That nothing stays the same forever.....Master Yoda couldn't have said it better.
"Victory Temporarily Sanctifies and Nature rules"......That's something I guess you could put on a bumper sticker if you want, but it doesn't mean jack shit if someone is sticking his dick up your ass.
I'm sure you think you're a genius Hughinn, maybe a ultraconservative version of the late great Alan Watts, but none of the stuff you're saying is relevant if you are in a position of being screwed over where the matter becomes much more intimate and personal. Talking about civilization using a wide lens doesn't do much good if your a child being molested or a worker that is expected to risk his life doing dangerous work for minimum wage as the boss sits inside of an air conditioned office enjoying a nice steak.
So what do "you" personally do Hughinn if you were being screwed over by the man. Lets get some of your genius insight into what you do personally and not some hokey sayings that you would expect to read in a collection of sayings by ancient roman stoics.
You're getting mighty worked up over a few words on a steroid forum.You gotta be fucking stupid if you think I'm Going to tell you what I personally do, or plan to do about anything like that over an open board.
You're no anarchist. Just a typical idiot liberal.
I told you, like many others here, I'm done with you and your bullshit.
You're getting mighty worked up over a few words on a steroid forum.
I didn't ask for a manifesto. I just simply asked what you do when someone is using their power to oppress either you or someone else you might care about.
When I state a philosophical interest in Anarchism I'm looking to maximize human freedom from tyranny. Not just by the big players in the world of oppression(which we can do little to change), but it could be society at large that is carrying out a commonly accepted prejudice and abuse to someone that just wants to be left alone(now if they fuck with people themselves then they get what they deserve). If you're in a situation where you see someone fucking with someone else, do you do something about it or do you sit back and accept that this is just the way it has to be? That's why I used my jury duty selection as an example as I can effect change on a very small scale when I point out to the legal system that I think they're system is bullshit and evil.
Like I've stated before, I'm against anyone having any power over others. That doesn't mean no power to control yourself, just no power to oppress and humiliate others.
There's no need in getting upset.
I don't give a shit what's posted on this forum, I don't get pissed off, I just riff back and forth.
First of all I'm almost 50 years old.No your not against anyone having power over anyone else.
You condemn "the system" with one hand and howl for it's growth with the other. Ignorant.
Controlling someone's healthcare opportunities and decisions is damn sure having control.
You have no understanding of anarchist theory at all.
You're a liberal college boy playing revolutionary in your own head.
Just go away.
The problem with this statement is that anarchist theory isn't complicated at all.You have no understanding of anarchist theory at all.