Black Americans, the GI bill, inequality/poverty and crime.

[Demondosage]

Мaybe it's not the color of the skin, but the level of wealth. People who live beyond survival are forced to survive. I may be wrong, but I think they think corny about how to survive

It’s both. Black fathers take off on their kids, it’s no secret. Any woman with kids to raise and no education or much financial help is going to struggle, her kids will struggle, high probability of getting locked up or joining a gang for a sense of family. The cycle will continue to repeat itself until men take responsibility and the black community starts producing more positive role models for kids

 

[Hightower]

It’s both. Black fathers take off on their kids, it’s no secret. Any woman with kids to raise and no education or much financial help is going to struggle, her kids will struggle, high probability of getting locked up or joining a gang for a sense of family. The cycle will continue to repeat itself until men take responsibility and the black community starts producing more positive role models for kids

I agree that children see what their children are doing. For example, bandits and gangsters. And children from a young age have a living example and they become like that. And so in a circle. Vicious circleI agree that children see what their children are doing. For example, bandits and gangsters. And children from a young age have a living example and they become like that. And so in a circle. Vicious circle

 

[Hughinn]

People on the left, and the democrat party especially love talking about the past of African Americans.

And that's because they don't want to talk about the future.

After 50 solid years of most impoverished black communities being under democrat party control, the neighborhoods are as bad as they've ever been, their already at or near the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder, their communities are just as blighted and as destitute as ever and their opportunities are getting fewer and fewer as the ladder gets pulled up higher and higher out of reach.

They'll soon, if not already be facing a point where the democrat party has little to no use for them to manufacturer votes and they'll soon be told to just get in line behind everyone else.

Suddenly, the massive surges of immigration that the democrat party has called for are arriving. And this will make it even more difficult for poor black people to grasp that first entry level rung of the financial ladder because suddenly the DNC has a huge field of inexpensive migrant workers.

African Americans are in a very vulnerable place here. A very precarious place with no real hope of changing a future that looks bleak.

It's not just their fault either. Two entire generations listened and fell for the innocuous lies of the democrat party and invested their future with them. Then like a predatory bank the democrat party foreclosed on them and the sun is setting. Their Future has been sold.

There is hope for them though. But they absolutely must get off the democrat party plantation, and into the world.

I'm a Southern man. I seen this happen in real time. It's unfortunate. Most still today cling on to hope the promises they hear year after year will maybe be true one day. But the democrat party is moving on. They've imported a new working class and all bets are now off.

Sad.

 

[Hughinn]

@MFAAS you think this is funny, why?

The fact is, these people are the first set of legacy Americans who are helplessly sliding downward in a cascading torrent of wealth concentrating itself into fewer and fewer hands every day.

So tell me why this is funny.

 

[MFAAS]

@MFAAS you think this is funny, why?

The fact is, these people are the first set of legacy Americans who are helplessly sliding downward in a cascading torrent of wealth concentrating itself into fewer and fewer hands every day.

So tell me why this is funny.

First off let me say that I despite identity politics. I do not identify as democrat or republican and my social and political ideas are not represented fully by either side--although I generally lean more left.

You state the problem is that this torrent of wealth is getting further and further concentrated into fewer and fewer hands every day. YES! I totally agree!! But you seem to be saying that this is the democrats fault? I fail to see the link here. I am not saying damage has not been done to poor communities at the hands of democrats, but throughout the Obama years as well as right now you have a united right wing preventing any bills from passing that would benefit the poor/minorities/underrepresented peoples. Often times they only will vote to pass a bill once they have gutted it and put in provisions that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter, turning it into an omnibus bill that primarily will benefit big businesses and super-rich folk. That has been the republican way for decades now.


I think it is funny because you say it is the democrats fault for this. Yet the Republicans are the ones who continue to say trickle down economics work and that if you enrich the top few that it will make its way down to the people in the ghetto and the poor folks living in trailers out in the country. You say that these neighborhoods have been firmly under democrat control. Well, the problem plaguing these neighborhoods and American Citizens that live in them isn't something that can be solved with local politics. It has to be handled at the NATIONAL level.

So, you say it is all the democrats fault. What is the alternative? Republicans? Fucking Donald Trump?

When I think of liberal policy change. What I would like and what would really fix the issues this country is experiencing is:
1. Change campaign finance laws and eliminate paid speaking engagements for senators/public officials. There are several really good campaign finance laws proposed by various law and economics professors/experts that would eliminate the legalized corruption/bribery we call "lobbying". Also, no company should pay a senator or public official to speak at an event. That is direct bribery and we all know it.

2. Change taxation and corporate policy: create a couple new income tax brackets for super high earners, create a couple new tax brackets for capital gains taxes for people claiming over some very high number of dollars in cap gains, and look at increasing the corporate tax rate for large companies. Make "golden parachutes" illegal. Provide green incentives or tax credits to corporations that significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Perhaps provide tax credits for companies that opt to pay their workers a livable wage/above minimum wage.

3. Then pass that additional tax revenue to things that will lift up the entire population as a whole, creating an overall better country, full of educated, problem solving people. Provide more funding for schools, drastically increase teacher and law officer salaries, improve US infrastructure. Make community college free. There are so many ways we could make such a massive positive impact.


It is really sad. For 4 years we had a bunch of hard working Americans believe that some idiot billionaire would make their lives better. And guess what? He didn't! Yet they continue to believe. He said he would "drain the swamp" and all he did was put a bunch of other rich billionaires in charge of various offices...most of whom knew fucking nothing about the subject matter or department they were supposed to be leading! Not to mention that he spent tens of millions of taxpayer dollars vacationing at HIS OWN RESORTS where he DIRECTLY profited from his stays. Does it get any more corrupt? Directly funneling money from the federal government to your own businesses?


As you said: right now the problem is that we have these stupidly fucking ridiculously rich people who are literally hoarding all the money. That's it. They don't spend it. It doesn't "trickle down" to the person living in a normal house and especially doesn't trickle down to the person living in a ghetto apartment or a trailer out in the country. This is a fact regardless of what political ideology one subscribes to.

Unfortunately, the things I suggested above to resolve these issues will never happen, because in order to get to the level of senator or representative, etc., you have to be a corrupt piece of shit. You have to play the current system in order to get high enough to do anything, and by then you are part of the system and you love the insider stock tips and the speaking engagements and all that. Mitch McConnell has made a cool $2 Million dollars every year since becoming a senator. How the fuck do you make $2 million every year on a $180k salary? Nancy Pelosi is a fucking uber rich, hypocritical cunt that thinks she's above everyone else.

I despise both sides, but your post places blame solely on the democrats, and that is simply not true, accurate, or fair in any way. The democrats are idiots. The DNC put fucking Joe Biden as the nominee and fucking Hillary Clinton before him. It's despicable. They just want a puppet they can control.

Anyway. That is why I thought your post was funny. The blame solely placed on the democrats seemed to point to the republicans as the saviors, which is just hilarious to me--especially with the dark turn the republican party has gotten worse and worse over the recent years. Most of them would deny that the wealth gap is even a problem. Their voters are voting for someone who is himself supposedly a multi-billionaire, because he inherited a bunch of money, financially and legally fucked over his family, and played out a bunch of scam businesses that were often outright fraudulent. Then in an effort to "not lose" the election, it patented trump fashion, he setup a fucking scheme to cheat and have fake electors claim he won in states that he didn't. Not to mention all his other insane efforts like hamstringing USPS and everything else. All so he could remain in power and probably protect his ego too.

So what, minorities, who trump openly despises, are supposed to back this guy as their savior to save them from the liberals who want to make sure they can vote and give them health care and better schools? Again...just hilarious!

 

[MFAAS]

First off let me say that I despite identity politics.

*despise.

 

[hijoshiki]

The bar for entry into the workforce has been rising over the past few decades since NAFTA offshored our jobs and many don't want to jump through all those hoops just to have a basic job.

It's a combination of things. Employers and fellow employees size each other up based on academic credentials, so many employees run around scared that they'll lose out(or look like a loser which is even more terrifying) if they aren't going to work all day and then going to classes to stack on more degrees. Some people are cut out for this and most aren't.

I've seen it myself that many people get the credentials and then don't do any work at all, they are hired due to who they are and not what they do, because they do very little. They're kind of a showpiece for a company, a prestige, someone to sign official documents.

So if you're a black person without a degree and you have a criminal record like 1/3rd of them do, then the corporate world that tracks everything and I mean everything to make sure their company image is protected won't hire you and if they do they'll fire you soon enough when the company restructures or brings in new management with the all important elitist attitude that is used as a tool for ruthless lay offs.

Entry level jobs are what many people are gonna have to take and that is where many of them should be able to stay for their entire career. The bottom line is many people simply aren't capable of moving up the ladder and don't want to either. They just want a mindless job where they can keep a roof over their heads and food in their mouth.

Low expectation employment is what is needed for millions of Americans, because lets face it folks, this country if full of idiots, go around talking to them and you'll quickly notice that. So the only humane thing to do is to get them jobs they can handle and stop this pipe dream that they'll be some big success, because at this point we've got close to a million homeless people that are in a fragile state of mind and they can't handle extreme stress without wanting to hit the crack pipe.

This isn't a problem of democrat or republican, it's really a problem of a very chaotic and competitive labor system that is out of whack with the needs of people living in the real world. Now, nor ever is there time to waste on Idealism and Dreams, we need our feet firmly planted in this world and to stop dreaming of a world where everyone is fully realized as a success.

There was a time up until the late 80's that most men were employed in this country with overtime doing manufacturing work. These jobs offered good benefits, decent wages, pensions and fairly steady employment, sadly that is all gone and I remember we went from a country where men were working 6 to 7 days a week, to where they were passed out drunk on the couch by the 2000's. People blame it on the unions, some of that might be true, but it should have been outlawed to import goods from other countries if it can be manufactured in this country. Free Market capitalism is foolish if the outcomes are catastrophic and at this point it has been fantastic for many at the top and pure hell for those on the bottom.

Vulture Capitalism came to decide our values in this country and it gave perverse incentives to politicians to take suitcases of cash from these donors so everything could be packed up and moved to Asia.

 

[may2021]

What's overlooked in everyone's brainwashed opinions is the two party system was designed to screw you. The same conversations were held 50 years ago and likely 50 years before that and nothing will change because Americans are weak, pussies.

 

[hijoshiki]

What's overlooked in everyone's brainwashed opinions is the two party system was designed to screw you. The same conversations were held 50 years ago and likely 50 years before that and nothing will change because Americans are weak, pussies.

The country was designed to serve the needs of the rich and keep the poor from harming the rich.

James Madison during constitutional debates.
"The country ought to protect the opulent minority from the poor majority."

It was set up so the rich could own the government and that started from George Washington, someone that was filthy rich from the position of the amount of land he owned.

It was never gonna be a country for and by the people, and to this day it is set up to keep the rich in control and those that question in prison.

And that is what we see to today. Someone like Bill Gates or George Soros gets prime time media, direct line to the president, his interests are given a platform because he is filthy rich and that gives politicians incentives to do as they desire to get in on the gravy train. No one gives a flying fuck about about the average guy in this country, if they did you wouldn't see the chaos this country is currently in.

 

[Hughinn]

First off let me say that I despite identity politics. I do not identify as democrat or republican and my social and political ideas are not represented fully by either side--although I generally lean more left.

You state the problem is that this torrent of wealth is getting further and further concentrated into fewer and fewer hands every day. YES! I totally agree!! But you seem to be saying that this is the democrats fault? I fail to see the link here. I am not saying damage has not been done to poor communities at the hands of democrats, but throughout the Obama years as well as right now you have a united right wing preventing any bills from passing that would benefit the poor/minorities/underrepresented peoples. Often times they only will vote to pass a bill once they have gutted it and put in provisions that have absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter, turning it into an omnibus bill that primarily will benefit big businesses and super-rich folk. That has been the republican way for decades now.


I think it is funny because you say it is the democrats fault for this. Yet the Republicans are the ones who continue to say trickle down economics work and that if you enrich the top few that it will make its way down to the people in the ghetto and the poor folks living in trailers out in the country. You say that these neighborhoods have been firmly under democrat control. Well, the problem plaguing these neighborhoods and American Citizens that live in them isn't something that can be solved with local politics. It has to be handled at the NATIONAL level.

So, you say it is all the democrats fault. What is the alternative? Republicans? Fucking Donald Trump?

When I think of liberal policy change. What I would like and what would really fix the issues this country is experiencing is:
1. Change campaign finance laws and eliminate paid speaking engagements for senators/public officials. There are several really good campaign finance laws proposed by various law and economics professors/experts that would eliminate the legalized corruption/bribery we call "lobbying". Also, no company should pay a senator or public official to speak at an event. That is direct bribery and we all know it.

2. Change taxation and corporate policy: create a couple new income tax brackets for super high earners, create a couple new tax brackets for capital gains taxes for people claiming over some very high number of dollars in cap gains, and look at increasing the corporate tax rate for large companies. Make "golden parachutes" illegal. Provide green incentives or tax credits to corporations that significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Perhaps provide tax credits for companies that opt to pay their workers a livable wage/above minimum wage.

3. Then pass that additional tax revenue to things that will lift up the entire population as a whole, creating an overall better country, full of educated, problem solving people. Provide more funding for schools, drastically increase teacher and law officer salaries, improve US infrastructure. Make community college free. There are so many ways we could make such a massive positive impact.


It is really sad. For 4 years we had a bunch of hard working Americans believe that some idiot billionaire would make their lives better. And guess what? He didn't! Yet they continue to believe. He said he would "drain the swamp" and all he did was put a bunch of other rich billionaires in charge of various offices...most of whom knew fucking nothing about the subject matter or department they were supposed to be leading! Not to mention that he spent tens of millions of taxpayer dollars vacationing at HIS OWN RESORTS where he DIRECTLY profited from his stays. Does it get any more corrupt? Directly funneling money from the federal government to your own businesses?


As you said: right now the problem is that we have these stupidly fucking ridiculously rich people who are literally hoarding all the money. That's it. They don't spend it. It doesn't "trickle down" to the person living in a normal house and especially doesn't trickle down to the person living in a ghetto apartment or a trailer out in the country. This is a fact regardless of what political ideology one subscribes to.

Unfortunately, the things I suggested above to resolve these issues will never happen, because in order to get to the level of senator or representative, etc., you have to be a corrupt piece of shit. You have to play the current system in order to get high enough to do anything, and by then you are part of the system and you love the insider stock tips and the speaking engagements and all that. Mitch McConnell has made a cool $2 Million dollars every year since becoming a senator. How the fuck do you make $2 million every year on a $180k salary? Nancy Pelosi is a fucking uber rich, hypocritical cunt that thinks she's above everyone else.

I despise both sides, but your post places blame solely on the democrats, and that is simply not true, accurate, or fair in any way. The democrats are idiots. The DNC put fucking Joe Biden as the nominee and fucking Hillary Clinton before him. It's despicable. They just want a puppet they can control.

Anyway. That is why I thought your post was funny. The blame solely placed on the democrats seemed to point to the republicans as the saviors, which is just hilarious to me--especially with the dark turn the republican party has gotten worse and worse over the recent years. Most of them would deny that the wealth gap is even a problem. Their voters are voting for someone who is himself supposedly a multi-billionaire, because he inherited a bunch of money, financially and legally fucked over his family, and played out a bunch of scam businesses that were often outright fraudulent. Then in an effort to "not lose" the election, it patented trump fashion, he setup a fucking scheme to cheat and have fake electors claim he won in states that he didn't. Not to mention all his other insane efforts like hamstringing USPS and everything else. All so he could remain in power and probably protect his ego too.

So what, minorities, who trump openly despises, are supposed to back this guy as their savior to save them from the liberals who want to make sure they can vote and give them health care and better schools? Again...just hilarious!

Your post has some good points, but it's full of ignorance and presumption.

It's basically the same bullshit "orange man bad" rant I can hear on any number of DNC propoganda networks at any given night.

The least you could do is try to be original.

I specifically mentioned the democrat party, because the democrat party has more or less had sole proprietorship of the inner cities for decades. The places most African Americans live under, are under single party democrat control.
This fact cannot be disputed.

You say basically that democrat/ liberals want to give African Americans free shit. That's ignorant because the government doesn't own or produce anything, and cannot give someone something they didn't earn, without first taking it from someone who did.
furthermore, this creates a dependency and type of servitude to the giver. The results of those policies are what you see today.

No, liberals/Democrats are not the heroes being held back those nasty evil racist Republicans with the big orange boogie man. That's some naive childish shit you posted there.

Lastly, knowing the history of big government, explain how any of the trillions of dollars already spent by the democrat party is going to benifit anybody except....the democrat party?

And your howling their somehow being obstructed from stealing more is a bad thing

Government, this government is unbelievably corrupt from the top to the bottom. No solution that gives them more power or responsibility is going to benifit anybody but them.

You're absolutely wrong that this shit doesn't get solved at the local community level. The self determination and problems of the Black community must be addressed by, the Black community itself. And the broader communities around them. Not the federal government.

We've already seen what tasking the federal government with democrat party control of such issues results in. Just look at Baltimore, Detroit, Newark, Crenshaw, Watts, Chicago and Los Angeles for reference.

No enough of the liberal bullshit.

Time for some sanity. You're on point with campaign and finance reform. And will get no objections from me.

But the democrat party is basically a globalist public relations firm selling American policy to their corporate globalist billionaire donors and corporate elite.

And to be fair, the only difference between them and many Republicans is who their selling American policy too.
Old school entrenched establishment Republican politicians are basically Democrats in that regard.

 

[Hughinn]

The bar for entry into the workforce has been rising over the past few decades since NAFTA offshored our jobs and many don't want to jump through all those hoops just to have a basic job.

It's a combination of things. Employers and fellow employees size each other up based on academic credentials, so many employees run around scared that they'll lose out(or look like a loser which is even more terrifying) if they aren't going to work all day and then going to classes to stack on more degrees. Some people are cut out for this and most aren't.

I've seen it myself that many people get the credentials and then don't do any work at all, they are hired due to who they are and not what they do, because they do very little. They're kind of a showpiece for a company, a prestige, someone to sign official documents.

So if you're a black person without a degree and you have a criminal record like 1/3rd of them do, then the corporate world that tracks everything and I mean everything to make sure their company image is protected won't hire you and if they do they'll fire you soon enough when the company restructures or brings in new management with the all important elitist attitude that is used as a tool for ruthless lay offs.

Entry level jobs are what many people are gonna have to take and that is where many of them should be able to stay for their entire career. The bottom line is many people simply aren't capable of moving up the ladder and don't want to either. They just want a mindless job where they can keep a roof over their heads and food in their mouth.

Low expectation employment is what is needed for millions of Americans, because lets face it folks, this country if full of idiots, go around talking to them and you'll quickly notice that. So the only humane thing to do is to get them jobs they can handle and stop this pipe dream that they'll be some big success, because at this point we've got close to a million homeless people that are in a fragile state of mind and they can't handle extreme stress without wanting to hit the crack pipe.

This isn't a problem of democrat or republican, it's really a problem of a very chaotic and competitive labor system that is out of whack with the needs of people living in the real world. Now, nor ever is there time to waste on Idealism and Dreams, we need our feet firmly planted in this world and to stop dreaming of a world where everyone is fully realized as a success.

There was a time up until the late 80's that most men were employed in this country with overtime doing manufacturing work. These jobs offered good benefits, decent wages, pensions and fairly steady employment, sadly that is all gone and I remember we went from a country where men were working 6 to 7 days a week, to where they were passed out drunk on the couch by the 2000's. People blame it on the unions, some of that might be true, but it should have been outlawed to import goods from other countries if it can be manufactured in this country. Free Market capitalism is foolish if the outcomes are catastrophic and at this point it has been fantastic for many at the top and pure hell for those on the bottom.

Vulture Capitalism came to decide our values in this country and it gave perverse incentives to politicians to take suitcases of cash from these donors so everything could be packed up and moved to Asia.

Very good points.

It's also worth noting that times you speak of where the middle class had it's best and most prosperous times, was also when domestic production was highest and immigration was at it's lowest.

Furthermore, it's also worth saying that not only did our own politicians allow our manufacturing to move to Asia, they subsidized it and Promoted it. They literally sold out the future of that middle class to import a new working class that wouldn't ask for as much.

And that hurt African Americans more than anyone else. Because their chances of grabbing that first rung of the ladder to pull themselves up are less and less as compitition gets harder and harder.

 

[Hughinn]

Some posts here bringing up the past and future of the working class are spot on as well.

At one point the working class had it's full weight behind the democrat party.

But the democrat party did exactly what it always does. It pretended to champion the working class with one hand, while selling them out with the other.

In another life, I was a union business agent and wrote some of those checks, always to democrat party politicians, and I would wonder why the upper union brass supported Democrats when it was clear on the ground that democrat party policies hurt working class Americans. Importing massive amounts of immigrants reduced wages and benifits.

Now we're supposed to believe we can give everyone free everything. Education, healthcare, opportunities, equal outcomes and still have open borders.

All we have to do is trust in the democrat party.

Ray Charles can see where this is going

 

[MFAAS]

Your post has some good points, but it's full of ignorance and presumption.

It's basically the same bullshit "orange man bad" rant I can hear on any number of DNC propoganda networks at any given night.

The least you could do is try to be original.

I specifically mentioned the democrat party, because the democrat party has more or less had sole proprietorship of the inner cities for decades. The places most African Americans live under, are under single party democrat control.
This fact cannot be disputed.

You say basically that democrat/ liberals want to give African Americans free shit. That's ignorant because the government doesn't own or produce anything, and cannot give someone something they didn't earn, without first taking it from someone who did.
furthermore, this creates a dependency and type of servitude to the giver. The results of those policies are what you see today.

No, liberals/Democrats are not the heroes being held back those nasty evil racist Republicans with the big orange boogie man. That's some naive childish shit you posted there.

Lastly, knowing the history of big government, explain how any of the trillions of dollars already spent by the democrat party is going to benifit anybody except....the democrat party?

And your howling their somehow being obstructed from stealing more is a bad thing

Government, this government is unbelievably corrupt from the top to the bottom. No solution that gives them more power or responsibility is going to benifit anybody but them.

You're absolutely wrong that this shit doesn't get solved at the local community level. The self determination and problems of the Black community must be addressed by, the Black community itself. And the broader communities around them. Not the federal government.

We've already seen what tasking the federal government with democrat party control of such issues results in. Just look at Baltimore, Detroit, Newark, Crenshaw, Watts, Chicago and Los Angeles for reference.

No enough of the liberal bullshit.

Time for some sanity. You're on point with campaign and finance reform. And will get no objections from me.

But the democrat party is basically a globalist public relations firm selling American policy to their corporate globalist billionaire donors and corporate elite.

And to be fair, the only difference between them and many Republicans is who their selling American policy too.
Old school entrenched establishment Republican politicians are basically Democrats in that regard.

Wow. I am actually impressed. You don't seem to have understood almost anything I wrote. I honestly cannot believe you are going to simplify my post, which contains specific examples of exactly why Trump and the republicans are awful, into "Orange man bad". That is absolutely ridiculous and just plain stupid. The next time you reply I hope you put more effort and thought into your response than that, otherwise I simply won't respond. That was just atrocious.

I really said almost NOTHING good about the democrats. You are putting words in my mouth to a ridiculous degree. "Democrats are heroes." What the fuck? Where the hell did you get that shit from? Did you read the part where I said I despise both parties? Where I criticized the democrats and the DNC for being horrible and corrupt? You must have missed that. And then there was, "Democrats want to give black people free shit". Again, what the fuck are you talking about?!?!

Please don't claim I stated things that I clearly did not state. Otherwise break up my quote and show me exactly where I said this or something that even came close to insinuating this. Then give me exact examples of policies Trump/Republicans implemented that prove me wrong--that Trump isn't as bad as I said, or didn't do the things I stated in my post. I am not going to continue on an argument over nothing when you are making nonsensical points that are based on fiction and claims that I stated things I clearly did not.

I said that there are specific things that need to be done in order to fix this country. I then proceeded to list three of them, but there are several others. I made a more extensive list of necessary policies to fix the country in another post--I think in another thread. Those things happen to fall under the category of "liberal" policies. They are leaning quite far left and I doubt any republican would ever come close to agreeing with any of them. Most democrats wouldn't either, because they are all bought-and-paid-for corporate pieces of human garbage. This is why, as you agree, we need to eliminate lobbying and totally overhaul campaign finance.

At this point the only thing I will say is this: both parties are evil. The democrats tend to be the lesser of two evils. However, they are fucking awful, corrupt, horrible pieces of shit. That's it. If that is calling them heroes in your mind then we aren't even speaking the same language and this conversation is over.

Edit: hopefully this doesn't come off as too harsh. I'm not trying to be mean at all. I really do not appreciate the way that you twisted my message around into something entirely unlike what it originally was. I realize we are all open to our own interpretations though. But like I said, if you are going to make claims like that, break up my quote show me where you think I said such things, that way I can clarify if necessary. I harbor no ill will towards you or anyone here. Wishing you well @Hughinn

 

[MFAAS]

Now we're supposed to believe we can give everyone free everything. Education, healthcare, opportunities, equal outcomes and still have open borders.

All we have to do is trust in the democrat party.

This pie-in-the-sky view is bullshit. The far left is a bunch of underaged young idiots with no life experience and their ideas will never work. We needed someone like Andrew Yang, someone who has ideas and is a problem solver, to lead the country. Then we need the republicans and democrats to all be cut off from all corporate money in any way shape or form at all. In fact, part of me feels they should only be allowed to hold government bonds. They shouldn't even be able to have stock in any companies at all. Then they can get a pension instead or some shit. I don't know.

I would never, ever say anything even close to this. Here are my views as I said I wrong a detailed post in another thread:

Sending condolences to Trump and family.

Owning nothing isn't really the problem. Not being able to think freely is the real problem. A philosopher that owns very little has everything he needs as long as he is allowed to think and question without limitation. We have gotten into this silly idea that we must own a slice of the...

thinksteroids.com

With that, I'm out. I'm done with this thread. Peace to everyone.

 

[Hughinn]

This pie-in-the-sky view is bullshit. The far left is a bunch of underaged young idiots with no life experience and their ideas will never work. We needed someone like Andrew Yang, someone who has ideas and is a problem solver, to lead the country. Then we need the republicans and democrats to all be cut off from all corporate money in any way shape or form at all. In fact, part of me feels they should only be allowed to hold government bonds. They shouldn't even be able to have stock in any companies at all. Then they can get a pension instead or some shit. I don't know.

I would never, ever say anything even close to this. Here are my views as I said I wrong a detailed post in another thread:

Sending condolences to Trump and family.

Owning nothing isn't really the problem. Not being able to think freely is the real problem. A philosopher that owns very little has everything he needs as long as he is allowed to think and question without limitation. We have gotten into this silly idea that we must own a slice of the...

thinksteroids.com

With that, I'm out. I'm done with this thread. Peace to everyone.

Andrew yang was an interesting guy.

The democrat party rigged it's own primary against him, gabbard and Bernie Sanders.

He's an independent now. I agree with you. I'd like to hear more from him.

 

[MFAAS]

Andrew yang was an interesting guy.

The democrat party rigged it's own primary against him, gabbard and Bernie Sanders.

He's an independent now. I agree with you. I'd like to hear more from him.

I know, it's a damn shame, as I said, they just wanted Biden as a fucking figurehead. Total bastards.

This is what's so crazy. I think in the end we probably agree on a lot as far as actual "what needs to be done" and "what the problems are". But because of these stupid labels we give ourselves of "liberal" "conservative" "democrat" republican" even "left" and "right", etc., we wind up thinking we disagree. It's completely bonkers.

This is why I despise identity politics so much, it just kills conversation and causes peoples minds to close immediately to whatever someone else has to say, or even subconsciously purposefully misinterpret things as having malcontent because they are the "other side". It's nuts.

Anyway, that's the last thing I have to say. I always do this lol. I post in a political thread, then I'm like "No more political posts!" then a few weeks later...I'm baaaaa-aaack

 

[Hightower]

Political debates will always be endless and cyclical. And here everyone has his own point of view and he will defend it. And it doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong. The main thing here is the process. Be in the process of political disputes.

 

[Hughinn]

Political debates will always be endless and cyclical. And here everyone has his own point of view and he will defend it. And it doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong. The main thing here is the process. Be in the process of political disputes.

You're right.

I try not to interject into political debates very often. But this topic is one I've given alot of thought to.

As a man who grew up in the deep south (Louisiana) I have a different perspective on the plight of poor black people, because unlike most liberals I know them personally.

I'm totally disgusted by BLM organizations and the Democrat party on this issue.

I've got sympathy for BLM as an idea though, I want to be clear about that. I see the idea of BLM as a sort of last ditch effort of a people sliding downward in an ever increasing multicultural society to for some sort of collective identity. Because they're going to need it.

But the political organization of BLM is not about poor black people.

The nation of Islam was formed by black inmates in prison. The black Panthers were a street movement of black youths.
BLM is a political action committee and a product of the liberal universities. It's leadership is paid college educated university trained activists backed by the richest and most powerful people in America and the corporate elite. It's not about improving the lives of poor black people. It's about leveraging political power through propoganda and crafty messaging.

The suffering of poor black people is exploited by the left on every front. The media glorifies the type of behavior that leads people like Jakob Blake to be shot. The democrat party incites violence and anger to channel black anger into votes for the same Democrats that have been in charge of the inner cities for decades.

Liberal Celebrities and democrat party leadership cheer from their rich penthouses while black communities get destroyed. It's sickening.

So when I see the narrative you hear on DNC propoganda networks constantly about the "virtuous democrat party helping poor black people" I know it's a lie. Because I live among them and see it everyday. I can't help but set the record straight.

I personally believe that African Americans need to detach themselves from the democrat party and corporate America and join the ranks of us Americans. Because as legacy Americans facing an ongoing immigration crisis in the decades to come all we're going to have is each other.

The democrat party cannot be successful in it's campaign to make us hate each other anymore.

Just my opinion.

 

[Hightower]

If you look at any idea, then initially, as a rule, it carries good intentions. But as soon as a person begins to realize everything becomes different in the end. I begin to influence other motives, such as power, money, using the weaker and uneducated as a tool. It happened in many countries.

 

[hijoshiki]

Politically it's over.

The majority demographic of this country will be replaced and when it happens you can expect the new majority to vote everything in their favor. The country will collapse and I suspect a powerhouse like China will easily walk in and take control.