Unique Test/Primo/E2 Base Cycle + EO Experiment

[Photon]

If i had to guess, I'm currently at about a serum concentration of stable 7.5mg/week, and I feel great here. I might just keep letting it clear out, and reintroduce it at a much lower dose and see how my body responds.

I'd be curious to see the impact on hba1c.
I'm on Reta now but will be switching to US Pharma Tirz soon.

 

[Raiders789]

I'd be curious to see the impact on hba1c.
I'm on Reta now but will be switching to US Pharma Tirz soon.

For sure, I'll throw that on my bloodwork I'm gonna get in a few weeks.

Just curious, why are you switching from reta to tirz? I've been thinking about maybe doing the same after letting the reta clear, or maybe reintroducing reta at a low dose and slowly go up to pinpoint where hypo issues come in.

 

[Photon]

For sure, I'll throw that on my bloodwork I'm gonna get in a few weeks.

Just curious, why are you switching from reta to tirz? I've been thinking about maybe doing the same after letting the reta clear, or maybe reintroducing reta at a low dose and slowly go up to pinpoint where hypo issues come in.

Cause I can get US pharma.
Between UGL and pharma, id always get pharma.

You don't need to be fat to qualify for a GLP. Most of us here..will qualify simply based off weight.

 

[dvg]

I bought compounded pharma Tirz early last year.before they cracked down and it gave me red itchy injection site reactions after the second week I took it through the six months I was oni it.


I've been on reta since new Years and no reactions. I prefer reta even if someone gave me Tirz for free.

 

[atruse]

I bought compounded pharma Tirz early last year.before they cracked down and it gave me red itchy injection site reactions after the second week I took it through the six months I was oni it.


I've been on reta since new Years and no reactions. I prefer reta even if someone gave me Tirz for free.

That’s interesting, I used Reta last year, and though it was successful for weight loss, it gave me to may GI issues, and the slowed digestion feeling outweighed the food noise reduction..

I’ve been on Tirz now and been much happier, simply because it just turns off food noise without the digestive issues. much easier to manage.

I still microdose Reta alongside the Tirz for the potential insulin sensitivity… it brought my a1c from 5.1 to 4.8 in 4 weeks.

also because I have a bunch of vials still to get through… hah

 

[Photon]

That’s interesting, I used Reta last year, and though it was successful for weight loss, it gave me to may GI issues, and the slowed digestion feeling outweighed the food noise reduction..

I get this alot too.
Hungry.
Eat.
Ahhhh ate too much now I'm bloated.

 

[Raiders789]

Hey guys, just thought I'd share an update of everything I'm currently running: Still 200 cyp, 800 primo(non EO), down to 1mg Estradiol Cypionate/week, upped my GH to 8IU/night, dropped the reta down to 3mg/week, and am still using ~20mg anavar preworkout. And occasionally I've been sneaking in 25mg TNE in my biweekly pin preworkout as well (figured why not if theres room in the syringe, and have been getting ridiculous pumps from it).

Finally got my bempedoic acid, so now the lipid stack is 5rosuvistain/10ezetimibe/180 bempedoic acid. With the var I've been using my HDL is most definitley in the toilet, so I figured I'd just keep it consistent and keep ripping the 20mg pwo, and add in the bempedoic acid and see how labs look in a week or two.

But progress has been insane so far - each lift I'm taking almost every set to failure, and am in the gym for 2.5hrs. And doing ~45mins fasted cardio every morning. About ~210lbs rn at about 10% bf and still seeing lifts go up consistently every week. Also starting to look a lot more vasuclar and full.

Going to get labs done in a week or two, hoping to see my hsCRP below 1 and my ldl significantly supressed. I'll get an igf1 this time as well, along with a fasting insulin + hbA1C to better guage how dropping the reta has affected my metabolic health. If theres anything else y'all wanna see please lmk!

 

[Raiders789]

Whats good everyone, not really related to my cycle but just wanted to say:

I appreciate y'all putting me on Goodlabs - I've always done my bloods with fitomics but I've been playing around with goodlabs the past few days and I'm a huge fan of their interface and was impressed with their AI assistant and the ability for it to upload/integrate your previous lab tests. And doing the math it turns out it is cheaper than fitomics for me and my buddies as long as I make my uni friends use my discount code(but literally none of them will do their bloodwork lmao).

Lmao also wanted to share that my roommate might be the most degenerate mfer out there - hes 19yo 6'1 180lbs ~20%bf currently running 1g test, 600 tren e, 400 primo/week, 25-50 trenb/50anadrol ED, and just bought a bunch of injectable superdrol. He also has ~20-30 drinks/week. Literally might be the prime example of someone that'll die in their 40s and he's been using AAS for as long as me and literally doesn't even look like he lifts. Trying my best to get him to make better choices but you wouldn't believe how hard that is - I literally have to spoonfeed him nebivolol, he refuses to take his blood pressure, and refuses to take a statin and has never gotten bloodwork done. But finally convinced him to get a full panel done with my goodlabs code, so if anyone is interested in how being an alcoholic + the above stack affects a 19yo's bloodwork he told me I could post it on here when we get the results back.

Also shameless goodlabs code plug here (code: RSjIgk). Will still be getting bloodwork done every month regardless and posting all of it, but if any of you guys are gonna be getting labs done anyways, using the code also gives me 20% off. Excited to try out goodlabs myself in a week!

 

[nxckf]

Cause I can get US pharma.
Between UGL and pharma, id always get pharma.

You don't need to be fat to qualify for a GLP. Most of us here..will qualify simply based off weight.

Where did you go to get your Tirz? I confirmed that my insurance would cover it but I would rather get it through a telahealth site or similar instead of standing in front of my PCP at 12%bf and asking for it lol.

 

[Trenunaki]

This thread has inspired me. Really the biggest barrier to high dose cycles is the injections and volume. So I'm thinking a cycle of 100-200mg test (i agree with the bros in always having some test, metabolites n shit), and grams of EQ, easily pinned with 600mg/ml. Two 3cc pins a week split on each VG and youre already at 3.6g. Cheap asf too

1mg Estradiol cyp seems to be the recommendation for when e2 is essentially at 0?

 

[Raiders789]

This thread has inspired me. Really the biggest barrier to high dose cycles is the injections and volume. So I'm thinking a cycle of 100-200mg test (i agree with the bros in always having some test, metabolites n shit), and grams of EQ, easily pinned with 600mg/ml. Two 3cc pins a week split on each VG and youre already at 3.6g. Cheap asf too

1mg Estradiol cyp seems to be the recommendation for when e2 is essentially at 0?

Hell yeah bro! I agree, I think doing cycles this way is the move. If you end up running that cycle keep us updated with how it goes!

From what I've seen, I think anywhere around 1mg estradiol cyp will land your E2 anywhere from 20-40 if you are truly zeroed from AI-like AAS(primo/eq). I was doing estradiol valerate previosuly, but as of last week I'm doing 1mg EC/week and will be getting bloods soon to see where that has my E2 at.

 

[level3]

X-posting my 8 week Test+Boldenone+E2 bloods here low-mid estrone levels on boldenone cyp I only shared the estrogen results in that thread. I'll post my full bloods in my own cycle thread at some point this week.

I hit ~19 E2 on 1mg E2 Cyp/wk for 4 weeks. I feel great but I'm upping it to 1.5mg. Also interesting data point I hadn't yet seen - I got both the EIA and LC/MS E1 tests and confirmed my suspicion that EIA test (the cheaper one that almost everyone gets) read high E1 and LC/MS test read low E1.

As a casual gear user that doesn't want to get bonkers huge and only do one cycle per year, I'm increasingly finding it difficult to imagine myself doing any other kind of cycle now. This one works fucking great. I know I will anyways cuz I love to experiment but this is my 5th cycle and easily my best one. The first 4 cycles were all in 2017-2019 and then I stopped lifting with covid until last year otherwise 5 cycles would probably have been more than enough to reach my goal physique.

 

[Raiders789]

X-posting my 8 week Test+Boldenone+E2 bloods here low-mid estrone levels on boldenone cyp I only shared the estrogen results in that thread. I'll post my full bloods in my own cycle thread at some point this week.

I hit ~19 E2 on 1mg E2 Cyp/wk for 4 weeks. I feel great but I'm upping it to 1.5mg. Also interesting data point I hadn't yet seen - I got both the EIA and LC/MS E1 tests and confirmed my suspicion that EIA test (the cheaper one that almost everyone gets) read high E1 and LC/MS test read low E1.

As a casual gear user that doesn't want to get bonkers huge and only do one cycle per year, I'm increasingly finding it difficult to imagine myself doing any other kind of cycle now. This one works fucking great. I know I will anyways cuz I love to experiment but this is my 5th cycle and easily my best one. The first 4 cycles were all in 2017-2019 and then I stopped lifting with covid until last year otherwise 5 cycles would probably have been more than enough to reach my goal physique.

Good to hear bro! Was reading through that thread, and I take it you're currently on 250test/400eq, no? Do you know if your aromatase activity is fully shutdown on that ratio?

Also I've been reading up more about how estrone works in men because I really only cared/focused on estradiol up to this point. From what I've read, E1 doesn't really do much in men but if the ratio of E1:E2 disproportionally favors E1, some guys can feel estrogen problems without having a high E2 on labs. I'll throw an E1 on my next panel, I've never had it tested and I'm kinda curious what it is at now lmao.

 

[level3]

250 Test/400 Boldenone cypionate, not EQ. Shouldn't make a huge difference but since I changed my injectable protocol several times on this cycle I want to emphasize the different ester. I'd never tried boldenone before so I didn't want to start with EQ in case it didn't agree with me.

I don't know for sure where aromatase activity lies. My first E2 test like 2.5 weeks in was very low and that was at 400 test/300 bold, so that's when I started the random HCG and dbol and began to look into E2 cyp. So it is likely almost zero aromatase activity but I don't know for sure without a test.

Yeah the rumor about E1:E2 ratio is one reason I got estrone tested. Then when it came back low I got suspicious and made the thread. I did develop sensitive nipples starting when I took 10-20mg injectable dbol daily for about a week in early January right when I started on the E2 cyp, which I suspect is due to the dbol rather than E1:E2 ratio, but you never really know. I've been taking ralox 60mg every day since then and my nipples aren't completely back to normal yet, but they seem to slowly be making progress.