Update on statins

[jtmarlin]

I'll go from 3x30 min cardio a week to 180 min a week. My diet is fairly good already anyway.

I'll report back.

Has anyone in good faith actually seen cardio and diet affect LDL levels? Outside of going from 300 pounds to 180 or something. I'm talking about an already relatively fit man who exercises regularly and eats a diet relatively low in saturated fats. I cannot say that I honestly believe it makes much difference and most of this is genetics and AAS induced in the already active populations.

The most hilarious "plan of action" I got for years and years from my PCP walking around with 150 LDL levels building a 175 CAC score was to "eat more leafy green vegetables and walking for 30 minutes per day". Hello bruh I do 25000 steps a day, 3 cardio sessions weekly, resistance train 5 days a week and eat 4-6 servings of vegetables a day. I'm not eating pizza and ice cream 3x a day.

Then again there are entire forums devoted to athletes who never touched AAS who have crazy CAC scores due to insane weekly MET hours. So who the F knows.

 

[Grey Spartan]

Has anyone in good faith actually seen cardio and diet affect LDL levels? Outside of going from 300 pounds to 180 or something. I'm talking about an already relatively fit man who exercises regularly and eats a diet relatively low in saturated fats. I cannot say that I honestly believe it makes much difference and most of this is genetics and AAS induced in the already active populations.

The most hilarious "plan of action" I got for years and years from my PCP walking around with 150 LDL levels building a 175 CAC score was to "eat more leafy green vegetables and walking for 30 minutes per day". Hello bruh I do 25000 steps a day, 3 cardio sessions weekly, resistance train 5 days a week and eat 4-6 servings of vegetables a day. I'm not eating pizza and ice cream 3x a day.

Then again there are entire forums devoted to athletes who never touched AAS who have crazy CAC scores due to insane weekly MET hours. So who the F knows.

No. I agree with you.

But dropping from 205 to 165 lowered my LDL. I did not change what I ate (obviously I changed the amount) and I personally think vegetables are for rabbits or vegan hipsters.

 

[egruberman]

Has anyone in good faith actually seen cardio and diet affect LDL levels?

Yes, some, but it scales with the state of fitness before and after the intervention.

Someone relatively fit with a decent diet won't see much improvement. Regardless, most Americans aren't relatively fit. "10k steps" is actually a fitness goal for many.

 

[jtmarlin]

Yes, some, but it scales with the state of fitness before and after the intervention.

Someone relatively fit with a decent diet won't see much improvement. Regardless, most Americans aren't relatively fit. "10k steps" is actually a fitness goal for many.

I was natty from 2010 to 2020. During that time I went on a fasting diet once only eating OMAD or doing 16:8. I dropped from 175 to 144 pounds and was measured at 6.7 percent BF. My LDL was 152. Same as it roughly is now pre Lipitor at 190 pounds on 20mg of test per day.

 

[jtmarlin]

Funny thing I went to a wedding and the guy who sat next to me worked in the Cath Lab. Said he sees a lot of bodybuilders coming in in their 40s. Nearly full blockages LAD.

If this doesn't scare the sh*t out of guys on this board who think they aren't getting gyno or hair loss that they have "no side effects" I don't know what will. One positive he said is that many guys with blockages tend to form other pathways to keep supply going.

 

[FunkOdyssey]

I've really come to believe that ASCVD is BY FAR the biggest risk w/AAS abuse and one doesn't know it until it's really too late and the calcification shows on a test.

Just run the carotid IMT year over year, you don't need to wait for calcification.