Using AAS: Concerns and Considerations

[VVV]

Hi everybody, I have done a lot of reading up on this since and it seems mine a very common concern: people don't want to take the plunge into the world of AAS.

Sooner or later I will certainly go for TRT/AAS use, but so far I am very hesitant.

I'd like to tell you my reasons and see if my concerns are maybe unfounded.

1. It looks a one-way-street.
I hear say that, should you do a proper cycle and then just go off forever, eventually you'll lose all gains you made. So to keep improving or even to maintain, you'll need to go on again...and again, and again.

I don't know about you, but I don't feel comfortable with being stuck 'needing' pharmaceuticals, in a way being dependent on them.

2. What about kids? I'd like to keep that option open, yet I heard AAS can make you totally infertile.

3. Aggression. Good for competition and training, but what about the rest of life?

These are my main reasons. So right now Im still beaing about the bush, trying to find ways to get good results without AAS: natural T boosters, clen, maybe insulin? Maybe Hcg?

I think it would be awesome if there were a way to use AAS and manage to maintain at least some of the extra gains, until one day when age dictates, it's time for the TRT road anyways.

Thanks everybody for your feedback, it's much appreciated!

 

[Ozzy619]

Ive talked to this guy quite a bit so glad to see he posted.

1. Without exogenous hormones your body will revert back to its natural state. Think if using racing fuel then topping off with unleaded, eventually that racing fuel will run out and youll be back to regular old fuel.

2. I along with many others have conceived while on cycle. I believe that if you are predisposed to infertility problems aas can compound an already existing issue.

3. Roid rage for the most part is a myth. You are playing with your hormones so you have to be mindful at times.

If you do go down this road you do have the potential of never going back. It can be psychologically addicting and you can crash your hpta. Theres a lot to consider when going down this road, do the benefits out weight the costs? Are you ready to change alot of aspects of your life?

I have never had a problem recovering but I also try and not abuse aas (which Im sure I still do). Hopefully you make a decision that is best for you. Good luck.

 

[VVV]

OSM Ozzy619, thanks so much for the reply!
Well I dunno. I do know that -unless science comes up with a better option pretty soon, like some drug that allows our bodies to recover youthful hormone levels- TRT is something I shouldn't wait with till it's kinda...late. Why wait till things break down, right?
And I'm totally OK with that. But so far my body is in good shape: I'm lean and muscular, but I want more!
I want to kick ass in my sport (Judo), and BOY the top guys are surely on!! Like in most all sports...
I just want to exhaust all other options first, before taking the dive and being on forever, basically.

Thanks again,
Mark

 

[rubisean]

I've said this many times as far as roid rage goes..... if you are a jack ass normally, you will be a jack ass on gear. People use gear as an excuse to be a dick, if you are normally polite and mindful of others you will be the same on gear

 

[grey]

3. Aggression. Good for competition and training, but what about the rest of life?

Everyone is different and even the word "steroid" can be used for a wide array of different compounds.

When I started TRT my natural TT level was 550 or so. The TRT does my doc gave me took me to about TT 1650, running a test only cycle I brought the TT level to 6000+ and held it there for 10 weeks.


My aggro level was normal before TRT, normal at 1650, and normal at 6000+. Your mileage may vary.

That said, Tren guys often report heightened aggression but even for them it seems pretty controllable unless they had real anger management issues before injecting anything.

 

[Blacken]

1) I read a few things that say this is mostly true the gains leave. However in time with steroid use you build more cells in the muscle so apparently a long time user will always have advantages over a non user. At least according to a few articles I have read. Might be bullshit won't know how to prove this either way.

2) To many people get knocked up on gear. I think @Ozzy619 is probably right. Which in one way sucks would be nice to have a male birth control at least while on cycle.

3) As odd as this might sound most folks that I know who are serious lifters on gear are ultra calm outside of training.

People that tend to be dicks on gear are the not so serious lifters that go to bars and clubs who want to look good for a little gash with no real training/work ethic. Surprise these people tend to be dicks before gear as well.

 

[ChuckSipes]

how old are you bro?

HGH could be the way

 

[weighted chinup]

1. It looks a one-way-street.
I hear say that, should you do a proper cycle and then just go off forever, eventually you'll lose all gains you made. So to keep improving or even to maintain, you'll need to go on again...and again, and again.

There is no point in doing one cycle and ONLY one cycle. However, you would only lose those gains if you are exceeding your genetic potential for size, which is roughly a FFMI of 25. You will also lose some size from other factors when coming of like glycogen super compensation, etc but this is inevitable when coming off any AAS.

Depending on where you are in your development, I would say most lifters can make continuous progress by running 2 cycles per year. Unless you are very advanced this is sufficient and ideally you won't notice a huge involution in strength / size in between cycles.

If your intention is to only run one cycle ever then IMO don't even bother shutting down your HPTA by running anything. Even if you were able to keep 100 percent of those gains it still wouldn't be worth it imo.

2. What about kids? I'd like to keep that option open, yet I heard AAS can make you totally infertile.

It's no guarantee that you will be infertile, but it will certainly scale back sperm production while on pretty drastically. This doesn't mean you won't be able to have kids though. HCG is a good idea if you are concerned about fertility while on.

3. Aggression. Good for competition and training, but what about the rest of life?

Shouldn't cause any issues unless you were an asshole to begin with.

You are approaching this in the correct way though, if you aren't certain then there is definitely no need to rush into it.

 

[VVV]

OK wow thanks guys for all the replies!
Let's see here now... @rubisean I think I have an aggressive nature, though I got it well under control. But even using a testo booster I notice that I become more..negative. I swear ore and become angry more easily.
But I'm sure I'd control it though, even on gear but it might be a challenge sometimes...

@Blacken what I heard is a basic theory: you get MUCH stronger, use WAY heavier weights than naturally, and that gives you much faster gains of which you get to keep some. At least that's the story/theory. I know I see some ex BB'ers in BJJ for example, and while they nowhere near as big as they used to be when on gear, they're still impressively muscular... of course I don't know that they are completely off, but I guess so...it's a different look...

@ChuckSipes I was born 71...ouch!!

@weighted chinup 2 cycles a year, that sounds pretty reasonable... how long would you have to be on at a time to make this work, a whole 12 weeks? Or is 3-4 weeks enough? I hear that those mini cycles are easy to recover from...

Now I wanted to try that HCG protocol from Rich Piana, 2500iu every 5 days plus Adex, but pretty much everybody here tells me that's BS...?

Thanks so much for the feedback, much appreciated!

 

[VVV]

What about Ostarine? It sounds like the perfect answer?

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-chemistry-sarms-serms-peptides/so-you-want-try-ostarine-mk2866-here-facts-wonderful-sarm-879383.html

 

[ChuckSipes]

bro DO NOT trust anything you read on elite fitness or the evolutionary forums. and especially do not trust that creepy fuckwit dylan gemelli. he is the type to sell his mothers kidney and make a video about why his mothers kidneys will be better for you than your own.

a lot of newcomers thirsty for knowledge walk down the path of EF/evo, and spend a lot of money on their bullshit product and get burnt because it does nothing for them.


whilst certain members on those forums are very knowledgable and good people, majority are reps for companies, so when you see a thread where there's many different opinions saying "yeah use this product, absolutely great, would be foolish not to do it" they are all cashing in. do not trust their advice. EVERYTHING is about making money over there. dylan is the biggest narcissist in the game, absolute fucking SCUM mate

i can't imagine how many newcomers have got gyno from using their otc bullshit and neglecting what really works.

i haven't had any experience with sarms personally, but what I've heard is they might work but won't be very drastic at all. They're suppressive, so might as well use the real thing.

Ive talked to this guy quite a bit so glad to see he posted.

1. Without exogenous hormones your body will revert back to its natural state. Think if using racing fuel then topping off with unleaded, eventually that racing fuel will run out and youll be back to regular old fuel.

2. I along with many others have conceived while on cycle. I believe that if you are predisposed to infertility problems aas can compound an already existing issue.

3. Roid rage for the most part is a myth. You are playing with your hormones so you have to be mindful at times.

If you do go down this road you do have the potential of never going back. It can be psychologically addicting and you can crash your hpta. Theres a lot to consider when going down this road, do the benefits out weight the costs? Are you ready to change alot of aspects of your life?

I have never had a problem recovering but I also try and not abuse aas (which Im sure I still do). Hopefully you make a decision that is best for you. Good luck.

ozzy summed it up man..

would you use growth?

 

[n1x0n]

I've done one cycle and one cycle only. Been off for 6 months and still kept all the gains that remained after PCT (about 80%). I've actually gotten bigger and stronger since. People that say you lose all the gains are probably people that use steroids because they can't train so they put the burden on the steroids. If you are at your genetic max maybe, but I guess you're nowhere near that.

 

[Mike Oxbig]

What about Ostarine? It sounds like the perfect answer?

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-chemistry-sarms-serms-peptides/so-you-want-try-ostarine-mk2866-here-facts-wonderful-sarm-879383.html

At the moment I'm far too intoxicated to spend the efford composing a legitimate reply to your concerns, but do not under any circumstances listen to and/or buy anything associated with dickhead Dylan. He's a scamming cocksucker that would whore out his own mother to make an easy $20.

 

[jaymaximus]

At the moment I'm far too intoxicated to spend the efford composing a legitimate reply to your concerns, but do not under any circumstances listen to and/or buy anything associated with dickhead Dylan. He's a scamming cocksucker that would whore out his own mother to make an easy $20.

Who told you about that?! I only paid him $15 though. His mom didnt do all the things she said she would. But she did hook it up on a Sarms triple stack! And some HCGenerate