Using clomid with testosterone

[dano79]

Are there any treatment protocols that involve using low clomid doses with testosterone? I'm intrested in the FSH/LH stimulating properties of clomid and wonder if it can be combined with testosterone shots.

I'd like to try this,to try to raise my FSH levels and my testicle size. Or do i need to stop testosterone shots when trying clomid?

 

[hackskii]

Are there any treatment protocols that involve using low clomid doses with testosterone? I'm intrested in the FSH/LH stimulating properties of clomid and wonder if it can be combined with testosterone shots.

I'd like to try this,to try to raise my FSH levels and my testicle size. Or do i need to stop testosterone shots when trying clomid?

I dont think clomid does anything while on testosterone to raise FSH or LH.
If anything I think an AI might be a better idea.

 

[pcgizzmo]

I dont think clomid does anything while on testosterone to raise FSH or LH.
If anything I think an AI might be a better idea.

Hmmmm... My doc has me doing low dose clomid 1/2 pill EOD EOW. I thought it would help keep the HPTA axis stimulated some what. I also was thinking that although it was not an AI did help block some of the E receptors because it structurally binds to the E receptors like Estrogen.


Paul

 

[hackskii]

But clomid is a estrogen agonist and antagonist.

Also after a period of time clomid I have read will down regulate the GnRH receptors in the pituitary gland.
Also I dont think 25mg EOD will do much for the stimulation of the hypothalamus or pituitary glands.

I dont think the "T" portion of the HPTA would be stimulated much with the clomid either, HCG would do that.

 

[pcgizzmo]

But clomid is a estrogen agonist and antagonist.

Also after a period of time clomid I have read will down regulate the GnRH receptors in the pituitary gland.
Also I dont think 25mg EOD will do much for the stimulation of the hypothalamus or pituitary glands.

I dont think the "T" portion of the HPTA would be stimulated much with the clomid either, HCG would do that.

Here is a study where Clomid was given 25 mg ever day and was successful in raising T in hypogonadal men. This was the dose my Dr. gave me to take EOD and it did raise my T levels about 220 points. The article does not address down regulation of GnRH though and I have not seen it but I don't doubt it. It seems almost everything else can be down regulated over time. SWALE had mentioned that alot of people including Dr's don't realize how strong Clomid actually is.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/..._uids=16422830&query_hl=4&itool=pubmed_docsum

Here is a post where SWALE states that theoretically Clomid can help maintain fertility but, he is not a firm believer in long term use.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134236630

I agree w/you on the HCG. There are certainly people here that use HCG as their primary T therapy and also those that use it along T to keep the boys in action.

In my case the Dr. wanted me to take it so that my hypothalmus and pituitary did not forget how to work and he thought that EOD/EOW would be enough to do this. I see the theory behind it and I think that this would be often enough for down regulation to not occur although I have no proof. I am not using it as my sole therapy.

As for testicle size I would recommend HCG for sure. It works wonders on my testis.

Paul

 

[hackskii]

Clomid does raise test levels but on cycle your levels are already raised.

How can they determine how high clomid is raising test levels when you are injecting testosterone?

I dont see how you can recover HPTA during TRT or a cycle and use clomid.
That does not make sense to me.

In a cycle nobody uses clomid to maintain HPTA.

There is no need to make testosterone when it is within range by injecting it.

I didnt have time to read the article but I will I have to go on vacation

 

[pcgizzmo]

Clomid does raise test levels but on cycle your levels are already raised.

How can they determine how high clomid is raising test levels when you are injecting testosterone?

I dont see how you can recover HPTA during TRT or a cycle and use clomid.
That does not make sense to me.

In a cycle nobody uses clomid to maintain HPTA.

There is no need to make testosterone when it is within range by injecting it.

I didnt have time to read the article but I will I have to go on vacation

I don't think of it as helping a cycle of raising my test levels but rather keeping the pituitary producing the proper hormones. In a cycle people come off after a while so, the pituitary is still working and not "Lazy" in a guy doing TRT long term the pituitary is pretty much not doing a whole lot for the length of time he is on TRT. The clomid servers to keep it from getting "Lazy". I don't know that it is standard procedure but it makes sense to me. If you talk to people maybe yourself included that have come off a cycle the hardest part is the testis hence the HCG but I think that if the cycle was prolonged say for 6 months or so the pituitary would also take longer to come online. What's are your thoughts on this???

Paul

 

[hackskii]

To me the pituitary is nothing compared to the nuts.
Those take far longer to produce testosterone than the pituitray gland to produce LH and FSH.

I honestly dont know anyone that uses clomid during a cycle or TRT to keep your nuts, I really believe that wont happen.

If you want to keep the nuts, HCG, you want GnRH and LH, clomid and nolva.

I dont think you will keep LH going on TRT with clomid.

I was using 100mg a day to restart my HPTA with clomid and 20mg of nolva a day.
Takes about 45 days to restore the HPTA after shutdown, using HCG, clomid, nolvadex.
It can take between 6 to 18 months for shutdown to return normal test levels with no intervention.

 

[pcgizzmo]

To me the pituitary is nothing compared to the nuts.
Those take far longer to produce testosterone than the pituitray gland to produce LH and FSH.

I honestly dont know anyone that uses clomid during a cycle or TRT to keep your nuts, I really believe that wont happen.

If you want to keep the nuts, HCG, you want GnRH and LH, clomid and nolva.

I dont think you will keep LH going on TRT with clomid.

I was using 100mg a day to restart my HPTA with clomid and 20mg of nolva a day.
Takes about 45 days to restore the HPTA after shutdown, using HCG, clomid, nolvadex.
It can take between 6 to 18 months for shutdown to return normal test levels with no intervention.

I agree that HCG is much better for keeping the testis full but there are tons of articles out there about Clomid increasing LH. This is just one of them.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/43/6/1370

So are you saying exogenous T will shut down the HPTA not matter what you are using to stimulate the pituitary? That no matter how much clomid one takes it will not be enough to get the pituitary to release LH because the body will sense all the T????

 

[pcgizzmo]

By the way. Have a good time on vacation!!!!!

 

[DLMCBBB]

Hmmmm... My doc has me doing low dose clomid 1/2 pill EOD EOW. I thought it would help keep the HPTA axis stimulated some what. I also was thinking that although it was not an AI did help block some of the E receptors because it structurally binds to the E receptors like Estrogen.


Paul

Paul,

Do you have blood work to show it works?

Dustin

 

[pcgizzmo]

Paul,

Do you have blood work to show it works?

Dustin

I don't have the blood work for this go around but I have it from the past when I was just on Clomid showing it raised my Free and Total T as well as showing my LH levels. I don't really think there is any arqument whether Clomid can raise T levels in some people though so that would not help my case on this post. I hope to have blood work in about 4 more weeks on my current regimen of Clomid, T, and HCG.


Paul

 

[DLMCBBB]

I don't have the blood work for this go around but I have it from the past when I was just on Clomid showing it raised my Free and Total T as well as showing my LH levels. I don't really think there is any arqument whether Clomid can raise T levels in some people though so that would not help my case on this post. I hope to have blood work in about 4 more weeks on my current regimen of Clomid, T, and HCG.


Paul

The past time frame your referring to, was that on TRT? Can't wait for the results.

Dustin

 

[pcgizzmo]

The past time frame your referring to, was that on TRT? Can't wait for the results.

Dustin

I was not on TRT. I was seeing an Endo for a while that just wanted to use Clomid to see if he could raise my T w/it and it worked. I just did not experience the benefits of having raised T. I really felt not much different even though my T levels were up w/Clomid.


Paul

 

[Chodecabode]

Anything ever come of this?

I'm 26 and just got put on 50mg Clomid EOD last week. I said I felt like crying and had a hot flash, endo said he doesn't usually hear of side effects so wants my T up faster.

He just put me on 100mg Test E per week, and when I mentioned HCG, he said he hadn't prescribed it in 20 years.

I'm a little at a loss of what to do

 

[davesavvy]

I've been on TRT for 10 months & clomid 12.5 mg ED. All I can say is my "boys" haven't shrunk a bit & LH / FSH are lower range, yet still barely within "normal" range. No notable sides from clomid either.

 

[Chodecabode]

Interesting, injections for TRT, alongside Clomid? How did you feel before/after? Has your quality of life improved? Confidence/depression/libido wise?

I'm about to pick up injections tomorrow and see if I can drop Clomid to 12.5mg EOD or something.

 

[idmd]

Anything ever come of this?

I'm 26 and just got put on 50mg Clomid EOD last week. I said I felt like crying and had a hot flash, endo said he doesn't usually hear of side effects so wants my T up faster.

He just put me on 100mg Test E per week, and when I mentioned HCG, he said he hadn't prescribed it in 20 years.

I'm a little at a loss of what to do

There's no reason to not have prescribed hCG in 20 years. It's not as if that's some outdated treatment option and it makes it sound like your doc is not all that competent in treating hypogonadism.

 

[jonyoung]

so will taking clomid and testosterone cream will it work?

will your balls still shrink?

will your testicles still produce testosterone?

 

[hackskii]

Not on clomid, but hCG yes.