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This is a very good documentary about Why We Fight these wars:

Eugene Jarecki has made some of the best documentaries in the last 15 years. This one is great and important. If anything, watch the first 5 minutes and listen deeply and many times to what President Eisenhower has to say. Very, very telling.
 
heady muscle said:
This is a very good documentary about Why We Fight these wars:

Eugene Jarecki has made some of the best documentaries in the last 15 years. This one is great and important. If anything, watch the first 5 minutes and listen deeply and many times to what President Eisenhower has to say. Very, very telling.
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no one listened. :(
 
We had been funding and supplying arms to the French in Vietnam for a long time before Eisenhower. He got us more involved after his famous "dominoes" speech.
 
kawilt said:
We had been funding and supplying arms to the French in Vietnam for a long time before Eisenhower. He got us more involved after his famous "dominoes" speech.
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Yes, I am aware.
I heard an interview with Eisenhower's son a few years back, stating he had to say this, because the level clandestine movements between corporation and the pentagon scared him
 
Huge,
Come'on man. So if you like this movie you hate American? I love this country and have been in many other ones and know this is the best. But that doesn't mean I LIKE everything about it, especially the political views that create "war" with unsubstantiated evidence.

I do not like the current President, nor his predecessor. They are all the same too me.

But I do love the American people. I've been fortunate to travel this country (almost all fifty states) and live in five different states. I've seen just about every walk of life on both sides of the political spectrum.

People let politics direct who they are and how they think nowadays. If you watch CNN or MSNBC, then you are a lefty that believes all the crap that Obama and his cronies spew. If you watch Fox, then you are right wing nut and only believe the crap they spew. Politics have become the forefront of American thought. And I believe on purpose. They would rather have the American People at each other throats so they can keep steeling our monies and support their thirst of power and greed.
 
heady muscle said:
Huge,
Come'on man. So if you like this movie you hate American? I love this country and have been in many other ones and know this is the best. But that doesn't mean I LIKE everything about it, especially the political views that create "war" with unsubstantiated evidence.

I do not like the current President, nor his predecessor. They are all the same too me.

But I do love the American people. I've been fortunate to travel this country (almost all fifty states) and live in five different states. I've seen just about every walk of life on both sides of the political spectrum.

People let politics direct who they are and how they think nowadays. If you watch CNN or MSNBC, then you are a lefty that believes all the crap that Obama and his cronies spew. If you watch Fox, then you are right wing nut and only believe the crap they spew. Politics have become the forefront of American thought. And I believe on purpose. They would rather have the American People at each other throats so they can keep steeling our monies and support their thirst of power and greed.
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watch the movie ;) very informative on how we got screwed up. I'm not screwed up, but the sheep got screwed up with what they teach in history and the movies.
 
We need a professional standing military. There are a lot of guy's out there that are born warriors and love to fight no matter where, no matter who and no matter why. It's the job they want and do best. They know that some of them will not come back but that's the chance they are willing to take. There will always be wars for all kinds of reasons, whether it's oil, expansion, protecting an ally, or just staying dominate (power). It's always been that way. As a matter of fact our professional military (mercenaries or contractors as they say) is growing all the time. There's no telling how many covert operations are going on even now that the people don't hear about.. I just hate to hear some whore in Washington telling the people we have to do this or that for humanitarian reasons, good versus evil and all the other bullshit. World war 1, world war 11, Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan. The list is endless before and after. They were all manipulated one way or another. HuckingFuge is right. Your not going to learn anything in the history books. I've got nothing against going to war.
 
^^ Don't know if that was supposed to be irony or cognitive dissonance, but either way it made me laugh! : )
 
:) A perplexing situation that leaves me in a quandary...Our professional troops will do their jobs and not need or want to ask or know why because...well....that's their job, that's what they do. It's when people like Condoleezza Rice infer that if we don't do something now there will be "mushroom shaped clouds over our cities". How many young men who would normally never have chosen to be in the military gave their lives to protect their families and towns from being blown all to hell. Told that our way of life was being threatened, our women would be raped , we'd all be riding camels and speaking Farsi or something. Actually she didn't mention camels or rape, I just threw that in. But it was the same way about the Nam. I like the military, it's structure, it's discipline and all the other shit that goes with it. I would have chosen a life in the military. In other words, don't pull these kids off the street and send them to die with a lie.
 
was it really a lie though? Iran's clerics have already given the ok to kill at least 6 million Americans if a Muslim can pull that one off. they have found WMD that they have kept silent to make Bush look bad. plus I saw satellite photos of WMD's in convoys heading to Syria around when the war first started, but that was made hush hush. Iran has a nuke or many nukes and they plan on using them as soon as they can get it done.
 
Yea....So much info out there floating all around. God forbid we lose a boogie man. Anybody have an estimate of how much is spent and how many are employed by the agencies and arms dealers? talk about the economy collapsing if that went down. BTW I think Israel has at least 200 nukes. Everybody has a nuke pointed at everybody else. And all of them know they can't use it without ending the whole fucking world. Stand off kind of thing. Ever read about their (Israel) "Samson option" talk about a loose cannon.
 
kawilt said:
Yea....So much info out there floating all around. God forbid we lose a boogie man. Anybody have an estimate of how much is spent and how many are employed by the agencies and arms dealers? talk about the economy collapsing if that went down. BTW I think Israel has at least 200 nukes. Everybody has a nuke pointed at everybody else. And all of them know they can't use it without ending the whole fucking world. Stand off kind of thing. Ever read about their (Israel) "Samson option" talk about a loose cannon.
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I don't blame Israel for any crazy option they might have. hell the whole world wants to end Israel for no reason at all. over what? 50 or so miles of land? if everyone lit it off we might end man kind, but the world will be just fine. look at Chernobyl, just fine today.
 
I'm afraid Chernobyl is not "just fine today" I don't think anybody wants to live in Chernobyl today. But that's another subject. As far as the whole world picking on somebody, I'll stay away from that.:)
 
Chernobyl never stopped producing energy this whole time. just reactor 4 that blew up. Chernobyl the city is no more, but everything has grown back. when it first happened they said a 1000 years before that would happen. now they give tours and shit now days lol
 
A little trivia. Food grown on the Bikini Atoll is still contaminated with radiation. Coco nuts, breadfruit etc.etc.. I guess it's ok if you don't have a garden. You could eat canned stuff. Anyway, when you close your eyes for the last time, it's the end of your world.
 
Russia ships all that radioactive food throughout Russia. Russia thinking everyone can stand a little radioactivity ;)



end of the world we live in now. than if you have faith you go to Heaven, after the second coming ;)
 
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