Warning, Geneza injectables

[smiles]

thank you Astor for coming out and letting me know about that I really appreciate it...
I hope you don't think I don't trust what you are saying? I got respect for you coming out and letting me know...

 

[Pericles]

Astro i am glad you came out and posted this info. I think Naps wanted to down play the seriousness of the gear, by using the old filter line. To most people on here that dont make the gear, it sounds like a easy fix. All he would have to do is just change his filters and everything would be fine. Thanks for making this place safer Astro, took balls to come out on another source. Nice catch...

Where did Naps respond to this issue? It is my understanding that they are re-sellers, not a a ugl. I like the Geneza TNE/Dbol, and am hoping that the T Bol and oral winney are good.

 

[jets]

Sorry I took some time off from the boards.

T400... and Primo 200.
I have nothing to hide and will be honest and open with you. These 2 products seem to have issues once in a while. For some reason its these 2 products and always quad injections that caused the problem. We had about 7-8 cases with T400 but this one is serious.
Although we were trying to find a solution to this issue and tested T400 for sterility I believe the problem is in the solvent the chemists are using to make the high hormone concentration formula more stable. These solvents may sometimes damage the filters. This is why you see a filter fiber in the oil. I'm not sure if its the filter fiber that caused the abscess or the solvent itself. No way I'm blaming the guy who used the product. We are selling about 2k vials of T400 every month and produce 50 liter batches. If the whole batch was infected trust me you would hear about it on every BB board there is. I'm taking this product down immediately anyway. ChaseQ you should PM me with more details I would like to cover your guy's bill.
And no we are not bathtub operation. To manufacture 100 liter batches of test enanthate alone you need to have either a very huge bathtub or a real pharmaceutical facility (which is easier to find).

He replied in his "to meso vets" thread, when I was first reading his explanation it sounded legit but the more I read into it, it made no sense [)]

 

[Gunrunner]

Funny thing is I used to use all kinds of different gear, at much higher doses than I use nowadays. Crazy how 200mg a week from a legit pharmacy can often perform better than 500mg per week of some bullshit.

I've used many UGLs and different scripted gear over the years. My last scripted cycle was only 150mg/week of TestC and it easliy rivaled UGLs 500mg/week.

I've used the origianl scripted Deca prefill and Anadrol and that stuff was way stronger. 100mg/week Deca and 1/2 Anadrol tab (25mg) was killer. Now with UGLs you have to tripple that, at least.

This is probably why OGs like Arnold used such small doses back then with great results. Back then we used to get the shit from a pharmacy.

 

[MR10X]

I've used many UGLs and different scripted gear over the years. My last scripted cycle was only 150mg/week of TestC and it easliy rivaled UGLs 500mg/week.

I've used the origianl scripted Deca prefill and Anadrol and that stuff was way stronger. 100mg/week Deca and 1/2 Anadrol tab (25mg) was killer. Now with UGLs you have to tripple that, at least.

This is probably why OGs like Arnold used such small doses back then with great results. Back then we used to get the shit from a pharmacy.

Back in the early eighties all we could get was the real thing.I got really good results with much lower doses than i used in the last 4 years.

 

[smiles]

Back in the early eighties all we could get was the real thing.I got really good results with much lower doses than i used in the last 4 years.

Dam I bet that was awesome, good and bad, looking back in it for you? Good you got it while it was good, and bad that it isn't what it used to be...

 

[Bucky]

Thanks for the heads up P.

 

[Gunrunner]

Back in the early eighties all we could get was the real thing.I got really good results with much lower doses than i used in the last 4 years.

Yup, the early 80s is when I started cycling. I believe my first was Primosteston Depot at 100mg a week for 6-8 weeks. Gains were fuking awesome.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Tear up the filters? I hope you don't believe that. I normally stay out of other source discussions/problems but if he really said that you should throw all that shit in the trash because that's the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard. Concentration of the hormone will have zero affect on the filter. Sounds to me like it's just plain ole dirty gear bottom line. Your health isn't worth a free vial bro.

I just want to make a few comments here because this post is misleading and comes from someone with a clear conflict of interest. Astro is saying because he brews AAS on a small scale, he can extrapolate that experience to someone running a multi-million dollar ugl. The reality is, the similarities between filling a few vials at home and brewing 100 L batches are night and day. At Naps' level, everything is different. The size of filters used are diiferent, the type of filters used are different, machinery is different, storage, etc. To suggest "it's just plain ole dirty gear bottom line" is either disingenuous or ignorant. Considering Naps' offer to give away 50 grand worth of gear to Meso members for trial, as well as offer to pay someones medical bills, suggests to me that he is someone who takes his business seriously and isn't going to turn out gear in a haphazard fashion.

Astro paraphrasing Naps' explanation by saying "Tear up the filters" is hyperbole. Naps said the issue is the solvents used to achieve the high concentration can cause the filters to deteriorate. The explanation Naps gave is very plausible - the pics of the vials clearly showed white particulate which would be consistant with pieces of filter media.

Naps said there have been problems with T 450 and Primo 200 in the past and he's since taken those products off the market but those problems should have been addressed before ever offering the products for sale. Naps clearly fucked up. Regardles, I believe his response to the problem was about the best he could do under the circumstances. I fully expected denials and victim blaming and instead, Naps accepted full responsibility and offered to pay the medical bills. Not many sources would do that and it was a stand-up move, IMO. I believe Naps is being truthful.

CBS

 

[searay]

For the most part I agree cbs but there are more than 2 products that people are having trouble with! Look its hard to bitch when we got the gear free but........ when it starts to get dangerous even hazardous rhats enough! I neither expect or want replacements! Look we know who the best source on this board is! Id rather pay and both be able to walk as well as not worry about product being under dosed!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

For the most part I agree cbs but there are more than 2 products that people are having trouble with! Look its hard to bitch when we got the gear free but........ when it starts to get dangerous even hazardous rhats enough! I neither expect or want replacements! Look we know who the best source on this board is! Id rather pay and both be able to walk as well as not worry about product being under dosed!

Great, another fucking Z shill.

 

[fit2beking]

Great, another fucking Z shill.

[)]

 

[Gunrunner]

Great, another fucking Z shill.

Is this true?

 

[fit2beking]

Is this true?

I think he meant it as tongue and cheek. At least that's the way I perceived it.

 

[shenky]

I just want to make a few comments here because this post is misleading and comes from someone with a clear conflict of interest. Astro is saying because he brews AAS on a small scale, he can extrapolate that experience to someone running a multi-million dollar ugl. The reality is, the similarities between filling a few vials at home and brewing 100 L batches are night and day. At Naps' level, everything is different. The size of filters used are diiferent, the type of filters used are different, machinery is different, storage, etc. To suggest "it's just plain ole dirty gear bottom line" is either disingenuous or ignorant. Considering Naps' offer to give away 50 grand worth of gear to Meso members for trial, as well as offer to pay someones medical bills, suggests to me that he is someone who takes his business seriously and isn't going to turn out gear in a haphazard fashion.

Astro paraphrasing Naps' explanation by saying "Tear up the filters" is hyperbole. Naps said the issue is the solvents used to achieve the high concentration can cause the filters to deteriorate. The explanation Naps gave is very plausible - the pics of the vials clearly showed white particulate which would be consistant with pieces of filter media.

Naps said there have been problems with T 450 and Primo 200 in the past and he's since taken those products off the market but those problems should have been addressed before ever offering the products for sale. Naps clearly fucked up. Regardles, I believe his response to the problem was about the best he could do under the circumstances. I fully expected denials and victim blaming and instead, Naps accepted full responsibility and offered to pay the medical bills. Not many sources would do that and it was a stand-up move, IMO. I believe Naps is being truthful.

CBS

If Naps cared so much about the quality of his gear, he'd manage some sort of quality control with Geneza's oils. He also carries Hardcorelabs, which I've heard not one positive thing about.

Geneza is extremely hit or miss. Some is good, some is bad. Their test is usually not great (from what I hear and used). I used 500mg ew of GP test cyp and tested in the low 800's on the end of my 5th week!!! Low 800's!! That is beyond underdosed; it's garbage.

My friend used their tren from the same order and is having good results. Worth the risk? NO!

his giving away all this gear to meso vets means nothing to me. They'll get different gear than what they sell on his site. No amount of new GP cycle logs will convince me to give him my money

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Is this true?

Joke, hence the ""

his giving away all this gear to meso vets means nothing to me. They'll get different gear than what they sell on his site. No amount of new GP cycle logs will convince me to give him my money

Uh, apparently not - unless he's sending vets the contaminated gear and selling the clean stuff on the website.

 

[Stretch]

I got Geneza orals for my sample.

Superdrol and Halo. Two very expensive, and commonly faked orals.

I gave both to trusted friends that I know in real life, and who have run these compounds before.

That was about 5 days ago, and I just spoke to both of my friends. They both are very happy with the products thus far. Both are experiencing massive strength gains, without noticeable water retention. They both believe the products to be legit.

I've heard mixed reviews on Geneza's orals, but every time someone I know closely has run them, they've been very happy.

I saved a few tabs of the Halo, and a little more than a few of the Superdrol. So I will be able to give both a short run personally also. But, I just wanted to post what I've discovered thus far.

 

[fit2beking]

I got Geneza orals for my sample.

Superdrol and Halo. Two very expensive, and commonly faked orals.

I gave both to trusted friends that I know in real life, and who have run these compounds before.

That was about 5 days ago, and I just spoke to both of my friends. They both are very happy with the products thus far. Both are experiencing massive strength gains, without noticeable water retention. They both believe the products to be legit.

I've heard mixed reviews on Geneza's orals, but every time someone I know closely has run them, they've been very happy.

I saved a few tabs of the Halo, and a little more than a few of the Superdrol. So I will be able to give both a short run personally also. But, I just wanted to post what I've discovered thus far.

The var I got is var I am pleased with it but its no where near some of the other brands I have run.

 

[searay]

Humor me smart guy I dont even know what you mean? I was agreeing with you genius!

 

[®®®]

Hasn't Geneza been known to have dirty oils? I seem to recall reading a report of bacteria and other shit being found in their oil. Unfortunately it is hard to decipher good info from bad in this market, but with that in mind, the risk is too great to even try it.