Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Colt44]

So people actually intend on purchasing from this guy based off one member's serum tests?

Starting out with a BOGO? No red flags here? Just saying BOGO on Meso is like saying bomb in an airport.

 

[_OUTLAW_]

Who invests millions of dollars in a shitty underground lab to sell to bro boards? Hey guys I am starting a new lab, Bathtub Brews. My life savings went into this bathtub. I even cleaned up all the cat shit which is basically the same as sterile.


In fact it is better than human grade. It's alien grade.

 

[element00]

Not sure if I'm missing something here, but how does this go so smoothly given what has happened in the past. Buy one get one free? Sounds too good to be true eh, and you know what they say about that...

 

[mands]

So people actually intend on purchasing from this guy based off one member's serum tests?

Starting out with a BOGO? No red flags here? Just saying BOGO on Meso is like saying bomb in an airport.

Colt!!! Who the hell said people are intending on purchasing based on my serum tests? Did you even read this thread or just blow buy what I said and what I'm going to do.

I was already getting Test levels checked so I decided to get my GH levels checked today as well. Figured I would do it while I was there.

If you read any of my other posts I can't get a full analysis on the product until mid August. I would advise people to wait until then.

mands

 

[mands]

Not sure if I'm missing something here, but how does this go so smoothly given what has happened in the past. Buy one get one free? Sounds too good to be true eh, and you know what they say about that...

Let me give you might point of view on this situation.

If Karl is willing to bring a product he's invested to THE biggest board on the internet and risk his long career in this business... Guess what, I'm going to try it out and see if it's what he says it is. It's a great chance for many here to get quality GH if the test come out like I hope they do. And at least we as a community will know that good quality GH can be obtained for a good price. If it doesn't test and doesn't work out then at least we know. The money I spent will be worth it either way in my opinion.

I would like to add if things come back testing like he states that doesn't mean shit can't hit the fan. I would like to warn all the newer guys/gals in the game that things can go bad at any time and quality should always be tested randomly to keep these guys on their toes.

mands

 

[Colt44]

Got no pm

I will wait for mands analysis. If he gives it a g2g, im in.

^^^Here's 1 publicly stating it.

Colt!!! Who the hell said people are intending on purchasing based on my serum tests? Did you even read this thread or just blow buy what I said and what I'm going to do.

I was already getting Test levels checked so I decided to get my GH levels checked today as well. Figured I would do it while I was there.

If you read any of my other posts I can't get a full analysis on the product until mid August. I would advise people to wait until then.

mands

I read your posts man. I'm aware of the situation. What I'm telling others is to think about what they are potentially getting themselves into. Sending out good product in the beginning for testing purposes is how it all begins. They are also sending money to a guy that was completely flippant when questioned about inferior products. I believe he said, they didn't directly purchase it from me, so it's not on me. Something to that effect.

People should be leary to say the least.

 

[Colt44]

I would like to add if things come back testing like he states that doesn't mean shit can't hit the fan. I would like to warn all the newer guys/gals in the game that things can go bad at any time and quality should always be tested randomly to keep these guys on their toes.

mands

This is my point also. These guys thrive because long standing members like yourself test their products and give it a thumbs up. Members are blinded by the review and deal so much so that they just send their money. Karl is using you to drum up business. If you're not getting something out of the deal, you can bet he is.

How often does one of these sources pop up that just want to provide a quality service and product to the consumers? They all state it. 90% of them don't give a shit about us and that's a generous number.

I completely agree with you on the checks and balances though. Every single person that orders should test it. No system is perfect but if enough people are testing on a continual basis, the chance of people getting scammed decreases exponentially.

 

[element00]

Let me give you might point of view on this situation.

If Karl is willing to bring a product he's invested to THE biggest board on the internet and risk his long career in this business... Guess what, I'm going to try it out and see if it's what he says it is. It's a great chance for many here to get quality GH if the test come out like I hope they do. And at least we as a community will know that good quality GH can be obtained for a good price. If it doesn't test and doesn't work out then at least we know. The money I spent will be worth it either way in my opinion.

I would like to add if things come back testing like he states that doesn't mean shit can't hit the fan. I would like to warn all the newer guys/gals in the game that things can go bad at any time and quality should always be tested randomly to keep these guys on their toes.

mands

Agreed this may be a chance for many to get good quality GH, but apart from your support I am seeing respected members identify enough queries to raise a red flag on this. IMO any interested people should move very cautiously around here

 

[mands]

^^^Here's 1 publicly stating it.



I read your posts man. I'm aware of the situation. What I'm telling others is to think about what they are potentially getting themselves into. Sending out good product in the beginning for testing purposes is how it all begins. They are also sending money to a guy that was completely flippant when questioned about inferior products. I believe he said, they didn't directly purchase it from me, so it's not on me. Something to that effect.

People should be leary to say the least.

My analysis on the MS/HPLC testing not a serum test. Follow the conversation.. Are you aware of the situation? How long have you been around and in the game?

If it's a good product an is indeed real HGH then we know it can be supplied. And if it can be supplied which a lot think it cannot, then we as a community can keep them in check.

Colt! Can I ask you a question... Did you ever order from K? Have you ever had a problem with him directly if you did?

mands

 

[mands]

Would like to add Colt!!! I did not order from any email associated with mands or mention mands when I ordered.

mands

 

[mands]

Agreed this may be a chance for many to get good quality GH, but apart from your support I am seeing respected members identify enough queries to raise a red flag on this. IMO any interested people should move very cautiously around here

I guess I'm supporting Karl now? I myself do not support anyone.

I ask you this... What about the long lasting members that praise rips or other chinese GH? Are these old school clowns being called out? There are a shit tons of VETS that swear by rips and have those been MS/HPLC tested? Nope!!!!!!

I'm testing these and results will be tested no matter the outcome.

mands

 

[element00]

I guess I'm supporting Karl now? I myself do not support anyone.

I ask you this... What about the long lasting members that praise rips or other chinese GH? Are these old school clowns being called out? There are a shit tons of VETS that swear by rips and have those been MS/HPLC tested? Nope!!!!!!

I'm testing these and results will be tested no matter the outcome.

mands

Mands support was the term I used, and I agree you have qualified your posts related to Karl by stating that you don't endorse his product. But you've been here a long time man, so you've got to see it from the perspective of us newer guys. You say you know who he is and have had previous contact and that in itself may be interpreted as things being gtg. Obviously it is doesn't take much for some to pull the trigger around here.
Not sure why your referring to members being called out, but I agree that anybody, no matter their member status, should be held to account if they are actively promoting something that cannot be proven

 

[flenser]

@mands the ONLY reason we didn't manage to run Karl off after he started this thread is because of your support. Your word carries weight here, and most of us backed off of Karl when you announced you placed a test order. You said people should wait for HPLC results, so why even mention the serum test? You know Karl will get a flood of orders the minute you post them.

 

[cobra500]

My thoughts like mands. Karl isn't going to go out and invest in huge gh project, come to the boards with it and then send out bunk. If he wanted to do that he wouldn't use his name when he came out with this.
In the past I used all his products and never had a complaint. Things might have gone wrong over time but for a while he was the only one to go to. I for one hope this works out and makes gh market more competitive and brings better quality to is all. We'll see soon enough. Thanks to mands for stepping up.

 

[mands]

Mands support was the term I used, and I agree you have qualified your posts related to Karl by stating that you don't endorse his product. But you've been here a long time man, so you've got to see it from the perspective of us newer guys. You say you know who he is and have had previous contact and that in itself may be interpreted as things being gtg. Obviously it is doesn't take much for some to pull the trigger around here.
Not sure why your referring to members being called out, but I agree that anybody, no matter their member status, should be held to account if they are actively promoting something that cannot be proven

I understand where you are coming from, but these "newer" members that interrupt what I say different than what I state is the problem. I am always here to help and you can ask anyone that has PM'ed me or emailed me. My intentions are always for what is best for the community. If you don't think they are... Ask around!

mands

 

[mesoreader1]

I'm new but where is the friggen scoc?? Dudes got a "million dollar" operation but wont show anything? Why even bother having a scoc? 10 pages of shit

 

[mands]

@mands the ONLY reason we didn't manage to run Karl off after he started this thread is because of your support. Your word carries weight here, and most of us backed off of Karl when you announced you placed a test order. You said people should wait for HPLC results, so why even mention the serum test? You know Karl will get a flood of orders the minute you post them.

I appreciate your response flesner and I agree for the most part. I just know this site is notorious for jumping on the band wagon of the newer guys who have taken the role that Ben and a few others provide and started years ago. Most have not even had experience with the person whom they are bagging on. For instance the Mike Strong thread. I jumped into this thread so that all the facts could be heard because I was interested. I will be the first to post up good or bad and I always have. I've called out many UGL's over the years not just on this board.

mands

 

[Voltrader]

Mands I just think we just want to know you are with us. This has the same old song and dance look at it right. New product, Vet tests and then boom and burn. I just hope you see the weight what you say here carries. Endorsing or not it doesn't matter if and when you say it is good it will be a big frickin green light for everyone to order. I am quite sure you are aware the weight you are carrying at this moment. Thank you for doing this because it put all eyes on you not necessarily a position I would want.

 

[dnml]

Thx for doing this Mands...

 

[flenser]

My thoughts like mands. Karl isn't going to go out and invest in huge gh project, come to the boards with it and then send out bunk. If he wanted to do that he wouldn't use his name when he came out with this.
In the past I used all his products and never had a complaint. Things might have gone wrong over time but for a while he was the only one to go to. I for one hope this works out and makes gh market more competitive and brings better quality to is all. We'll see soon enough. Thanks to mands for stepping up.

Karl could easily invest in a huge GH project and come out with less than optimal results. He could have both quality control issues and production limitations. He has a huge investment, he needs a huge return. What's the most likely (and profitable) path?