Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[mands]

Mands I just think we just want to know you are with us. This has the same old song and dance look at it right. New product, Vet tests and then boom and burn. I just hope you see the weight what you say here carries. Endorsing or not it doesn't matter if and when you say it is good it will be a big frickin green light for everyone to order. I am quite sure you are aware the weight you are carrying at this moment. Thank you for doing this because it put all eyes on you not necessarily a position I would want.

I am with the board and the community. I have stated this many times in this thread. I have no interest in this endeavor besides finding good quality GH. I am willing to carry this weight to find out if Karl is legit and if he is not. I will be the first one to tell the community.

mands

 

[mands]

Karl could easily invest in a huge GH project and come out with less than optimal results. He could have both quality control issues and production limitations. He has a huge investment, he needs a huge return. What's the most likely (and profitable) path?

The most profitable path would be to make a great product and continue to do so like any business man would. When those problems come up you fix them and continue to fix them until it's right.

That's what most of these young idiots that start a UGL do not get. Keep supplying a good product and you will make more money in the long run.

mands

 

[mands]

I guess I'm supporting Karl now? I myself do not support anyone.

I ask you this... What about the long lasting members that praise rips or other chinese GH? Are these old school clowns being called out? There are a shit tons of VETS that swear by rips and have those been MS/HPLC tested? Nope!!!!!!

I'm testing these and results will be tested no matter the outcome.

mands

Meant to say posted not tested above. Sorry about that.

mands

 

[lightspan]

Let me give you might point of view on this situation.

If Karl is willing to bring a product he's invested to THE biggest board on the internet and risk his long career in this business...

Forgive me if I'm a bit naive, but you're suggesting that Karl would not sully his reputation, since he is willing to bring a product he's invested in to the biggest board on the net?

First, This makes the assumption that he invested in an alleged multimillion dollar facility for producing rHGH for the "parallel" market in Europe/elsewhere. I do not buy it for one second, and that's based on knowledge of the regulatory framework for biologics in the EU. He cannot sell this miracle HGH anywhere but the black market. He invested millions to sell HGH to meso or other AAS boards? Not likely. He may be a wheel in the AAS community (and dogs piss on wheels, as my momma used to say), but in the legitimate business world he would be, at best, a pariah. There is no multimillion dollar facility. What there is, I suspect, is a willing facility in shanghai or thereabouts.

Furthermore, I could bang out the description and graphs above in a couple of hours. Karl doesn't have a clue what he is talking about, his "English is not my first language" shit is a smokescreen for the fact that he is a salesman, not a scientist. Where are the pictures of the bioreactors, the giant -80 freezers, the columns? Nothing. There is not one shred of proof that the facility exists, that Karl has a piece of it, and that his HGH is produced at this alleged facility.

Finally, back to your suggestion that he would not tarnish his reputation by selling bunk HGH here. Did he not do precisely that with Sciroxx and AAS? Seems like at least a dozen guys showed up in this thread when word got out that "Karl from Sciroxx" was back on meso, to share stories of being ripped off with bunk gear or, even better, poisoned. Karl tried to wave it off and blame his "rogue" domestic brewer or remailer, if memory serves, but I find that to be an inadequate excuse. His company, his reputation, his responsibility. When confronted in this thread, he deflected blame and refused to acknowledge that products with the "sciroxx" label were bunk of poison. I wouldn't trust him, he strikes me as the sort that will laugh and count his money while you sit in the ER waiting to get your abcess cut out.

This is all from just watching the tennis match. Nothing here is meant to ruffle feathers, but watching this sham develop is bugging the shit out of me. Don't like what I said? I'm ok with that. I am here for meso, this is my home and Karl is making it smell bad in here.

 

[flenser]

The most profitable path would be to make a great product and continue to do so like any business man would. When those problems come up you fix them and continue to fix them until it's right.

That's what most of these young idiots that start a UGL do not get. Keep supplying a good product and you will make more money in the long run.

mands

Even if that were his plan (and my recovered liver enzymes are VERY skeptical), there's no guarantee of success. As I said, when problems discovered outweigh the available funds, cheaper "solutions" will be very attractive. Solutions like, say, using multiple domestic brewers with no oversight to get around shipping large quantities of finished goods though customs. Also, if demand exceeds supply as it apparently did with his var, substitutions would likely go unnoticed.

 

[Colt44]

My analysis on the MS/HPLC testing not a serum test. Follow the conversation.. Are you aware of the situation? How long have you been around and in the game?

If it's a good product an is indeed real HGH then we know it can be supplied. And if it can be supplied which a lot think it cannot, then we as a community can keep them in check.

Colt! Can I ask you a question... Did you ever order from K? Have you ever had a problem with him directly if you did?

mands

Serum or HPLC/MS, it doesn't matter. The end result will be the same. People will order based off your word.

I'm not attempting to discredit you or what you're trying to do. I am just letting people know to be on their toes.

To answer your question, no I have not directly purchased from Karl. With the reputation he has here, I'd have to be a fool to do so.

I hope it turns out well. I really do. There's a need for quality GH. Good luck.

 

[mands]

Guy's!!! Flesner is correct there are no guarantees for success with all the variables stated. The best we can do is see if there is actually a product that contains what they state it is. If so just keep buying pharm grade GH. That's what I will do if this doesn't work out.

lightspan do you buy directly form Karl or use his products?

Also, lightspan... Yes he would be finished here and other boards that I am a member at. My word does carry weight and if shit goes bad it will get around quickly. So, he is taking a big chance here.

mands

 

[lightspan]

Guy's!!! Flesner is correct there are no guarantees for success with all the variables stated. The best we can do is see if there is actually a product that contains what they state it is. If so skeptical just keep buying pharm grade GH. That's what I will do if this doesn't work out.

lightspan do you buy directly form Karl or use his products?

mands

I do not. Why would I purchase or use products from someone known to have scammed/poisoned fellow members?

However, can you explain how my purchasing and/or using products from Karl is relevant to the points above about the total lack of proof that this alleged facility exists? There were never any pictures of the facility provided. That is one of the key criteria in the scoc. Does Karl not have to comply with the scoc? He was not grandfathered in. Quite the opposite, the push was to grandfather him out the door, with a foot in his ass.

I am not a customer of Karl's. That does not mean I will shut my brain off and nod and smile while I watch this scam develop.

I know you're a longtime member and vet, mands, and for that you get my respect. But that respect will not extend to remaining silent when I think something smells bad.

I can almost guarantee you will get fantastic serum and LC-MS results. Those who follow? Not so much, and poorly produced/processed biologic products can do some pretty awful shit to poor joe blow.

 

[mands]

I do not. Why would I purchase or use products from someone known to have scammed/poisoned fellow members?

However, can you explain how my purchasing and/or products from Karl is relevant to the points above about the total lack of proof that this alleged facility exists? There were never any pictures of the facility provided. That is one of the key criteria in the scoc. Does Karl not have to comply with the scoc? He was not grandfathered in. Quite the opposite, the push was to grandfather him out the door, with a foot in his ass.

I am not a customer of Karl's. That does not mean I will shut my brain off and nod and smile while I watch this scam develop.

I know you're a longtime member and vet, mands, and for that you get my respect. But that respect will not extend to remaining silent when I think something smells bad.

I can almost guarantee you will get fantastic serum and LC-MS results. Those who follow? Not so much, and poorly produced/processed biologic products can so some pretty awful shit to poor joe blow.

The point is you say a dozen members here have had a bad experience with Scrioxx. I asked if you had or were you just piggy backing what they said. If you had directly dealt with Karl and things were bad then yes express that.

I respect you as well lightspan for your knowledge and persistence. And I will not sit here and be upset when someone questions me. I do get upset when people question me with no experience in the underground world. I'm not saying you don't.

I suppose we all should just say forget all UGL products and buy Pharm grade. Most do not have the luxury. It's our own choice that we have made to run gear that comes from overseas and could potentially harm us. I know the potential consequences and I choose to keep taking them.

As far as the pics I believe Karl said he would post them.

mands

 

[pumpingiron22]

Mands I would like to say thank you for taking one for the team. Keep us updated on how things go.

 

[mands]

Mands I would like to say thank you for taking one for the team. Keep us updated on how things go.

No problem my man. And I did get bloods drawn today at 11:45.

mands

 

[Western-Biotech]

Lightspan - Do u have any doubt that I own a GH facility ?

Based on what ?

Tell me pls what from the tests I showed is not authentic or not valid, one detail, now !

Tell me more - Say that I show u pics .... what does it prove ? I may go to a dozen of palces and take pics of bio-reactors (as u call it), what may it prove ?! a picture ... Do u know who I'm ... I may get u a set of pictures from inside a nuclear reactor, not a bio reactor ... so ?

What is all the mess about anyhow ? other guys here got the Somastim as well, everyone is welcome to make any test, and I state that it'll match precisely to the tests I showed above (on which Lightspan has no clue about as I may see).

I suggest to keep testing the product like others here suggested periodically. As a comment if anyone has the ability to produce GH he won't fuck it, the actual production is not expensive, it's the technology and facility who are millions dollars worth, and we own them already.

If anyone needs a prove tell me and I'll prove, but pls don't be ignorant, a picture won't prove anything, but repeated reliable testing

 

[element00]

Yes proof would be appreciated. 'Proof' from you, supported by the testing being spoken of, will be essential if this is going to work

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Lightspan - Do u have any doubt that I own a GH facility ?

Based on what ?

Tell me pls what from the tests I showed is not authentic or not valid, one detail, now !

Tell me more - Say that I show u pics .... what does it prove ? I may go to a dozen of palces and take pics of bio-reactors (as u call it), what may it prove ?! a picture ... Do u know who I'm ... I may get u a set of pictures from inside a nuclear reactor, not a bio reactor ... so ?

What is all the mess about anyhow ? other guys here got the Somastim as well, everyone is welcome to make any test, and I state that it'll match precisely to the tests I showed above (on which Lightspan has no clue about as I may see).

I suggest to keep testing the product like others here suggested periodically. As a comment if anyone has the ability to produce GH he won't fuck it, the actual production is not expensive, it's the technology and facility who are millions dollars worth, and we own them already.

If anyone needs a prove tell me and I'll prove, but pls don't be ignorant, a picture won't prove anything, but repeated reliable testing

Yea I'd like to see proof.. I have love for mands, he helped me a lot when I first got here so I've been sitting back a bit watching him do his thing here. However, I find myself infuriated every time I see you post..You Karl, are a flying asshole in my opinion. Your slimy Israeli ass fucked me hard..

You sell fake gear and ancillaries which I know are cheap as shit to make but you're going to do right with an expensive item like GH.. Yea fucking right..

 

[lightspan]

Lightspan - Do u have any doubt that I own a GH facility ?

Based on what ?

Why yes, Karl, I do have doubt that you own a GH facility. The onus is on you, not on me, to prove your story, Karl. Don't ask me to disprove your story. You do the legwork.

Tell me pls what from the tests I showed is not authentic or not valid, one detail, now !

I did not say the pretty graphs and reports were not what you allege. They are plots and graphs and descriptions of the testing and analysis rHGH. Whether they are actually analyses of YOUR alleged rHGH, from YOUR alleged facility, is up to you to prove, not me. Again, the onus is on you, don't make me do your job. I could slap that shit together in a couple hours. Fortunately i believe EVERYTHING i read on the internet.

Tell me more - Say that I show u pics .... what does it prove ? I may go to a dozen of palces and take pics of bio-reactors (as u call it), what may it prove ?! a picture ... Do u know who I'm ... I may get u a set of pictures from inside a nuclear reactor, not a bio reactor ... so ?

Fine, post the fake pictures then. Just post some, and comply with the SCOC. Why won't you? What's the problem?

What is all the mess about anyhow ? other guys here got the Somastim as well, everyone is welcome to make any test, and I state that it'll match precisely to the tests I showed above (on which Lightspan has no clue about as I may see).

Awww, before you were revealed as "Karl, the guy who poisoned and/or scammed several of my meso friends," and I ducked out of this thread due to the smell, you were going to send me tech specs for the purification and pics via pm. So i had a clue then, but i don't now? Be consistent Karl, my knowledge does not vary based on how much or little you like me.

I suggest to keep testing the product like others here suggested periodically. As a comment if anyone has the ability to produce GH he won't fuck it, the actual production is not expensive, it's the technology and facility who are millions dollars worth, and we own them already.

Stop being so butthurt. If I'm wrong, you'll get the last laugh and can publicly excoriate me for being a naysayer. But i'm not.

If anyone needs a prove tell me and I'll prove, but pls don't be ignorant, a picture won't prove anything, but repeated reliable testing

I need proof. Start with the pictures you were going to provide, or fake ones, i don't give a shit, just start somewhere. Also let's get back to you telling me how you isolate your gh. The "proprietary process" handwavey shit you busted out before is not acceptable or adequate, at least for me.

Don't take this personally, Karl. I'm tired of paying through the fucking nose for pharma GH, I just don't buy your story. I know enough about producing and marketing biologics to think you're full of scheisse. But i'm only one ignorant fuck who clearly doesn't know shit. You'll get serum results soon, then the flood will come and you can change the face of the GH market. I'll probably have to beg you to peddle the shit to me when you put Pfizer out of business. Until then, i'll be pinning Genotropin.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Johnnyballs - I'm not sure when and how I sold u anything, I'll PM u now. I've never ever dealt with anyone on this forum, and if I did I would like to see (besides mands, possibly others but certainly has never screwed them). I clearly heard that you had an issue with a supplier, I think that you're smart enough, and know the game to realize that when I'm not here it's very easy to put any blame on me, and I may specify more here on privately

Pls judge me according the products I introduce and supply to you, in purpose I came here to prove, not for business but for my pride,

Now lets test the GH, I suggest test it once per couple of weeks to verify the quality of this expensive product, judge me by this, and not some BS issues u had not with me, but with a supplier,

 

[Western-Biotech]

Lightspan - I would like not to post pics of the fermentors - as it'll reveal our identity. f u insist I will think of some ideas.

These are quite unique equipment, especially with this bacteria, as less then few places deal with it, pics may be faked silly, so pls

If u like I may take pictures of the professor next to the HPLC with which we test each step in the manufacturing, and you may see the print out etc, colone with gel ... everything..

U guys honestly talk too much, I bring a product, what's the drama ? ! lets test it, check it, talk about the testings, about the process, whatever ... lets concentrate on the important issues for u ... pls

 

[Western-Biotech]

BTW - anyone may contact me privately, members from other major forums has started to give some very positive feeback, i may ask them later to come with serum tests here, I think one of them posted here earlier,

I think it won't respect this forum to post links to other forums ? so contact me privately and I'll ask later these ppl to come here to post so u may get on their nerves either with your hostile shit

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Johnnyballs - I'm not sure when and how I sold u anything, I'll PM u now. I've never ever dealt with anyone on this forum, and if I did I would like to see (besides mands, possibly others but certainly has never screwed them). I clearly heard that you had an issue with a supplier, I think that you're smart enough, and know the game to realize that when I'm not here it's very easy to put any blame on me, and I may specify more here on privately

Pls judge me according the products I introduce and supply to you, in purpose I came here to prove, not for business but for my pride,

Now lets test the GH, I suggest test it once per couple of weeks to verify the quality of this expensive product, judge me by this, and not some BS issues u had not with me, but with a supplier,

Last time I posted about you a month ago you PMed me and I told you what I had to say.., Then you tried to sell me your GH in that same conversation you piece of shit!!

Had an issue with a supplier?! Yea, your boy Roy sitting at the desk next to you!! Stop hiding behind that shit fat aas... YOU knew all about it..

Sorry mands, I'm not going to stop going at this asshole now.. Might be best you just tell him to stop wasting his time here because it's fucking on now and we all know how crazy I can get..

Get the fuck out if here now Karl or I promise you I'll start hunting you down on other forums.. My posts may get deleted on those censored boards but people will see them and I'll make thread after fucking thread about your scamming ass here, all of which pop right up on google..

 

[lightspan]

These are quite unique equipment, especially with this bacteria, as less then few places deal with it, pics may be faked silly, so pls

Why do you think i originally asked you for pictures of the fermentors, and am asking for them now? Because they are readily identifiable to someone who knows what they are looking at, and you can't just google it and post up the images.

Additionally, there are enough jacketed fermentors out there in the world that posting a picture of yours will not identify you. And what is this "especially with this bacteria" jive? E. coli is the organism of choice for producing all sorts of biologics, give me a break Karl. It's easy to work with and manipulate its DNA to make it produce your desired product. The fermentor configuration is not organism specific anyway.

If u like I may take pictures of the professor next to the HPLC with which we test each step in the manufacturing, and you may see the print out etc, colone with gel ... everything..

Gotta start somewhere. Start there.

For all i know, you've turned over a new leaf, found god and decided to be a good guy. I sincerely hope so, for the sake of all your customers.