Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[biggerben69]

What about your past brutus? I don't know if there is any truth to what IM has accused you of(hoping the answer is no), but it does sound checkered from what has been posted. Does your past predict the future?

That fucking shit is out of line and I'm telling you guys who think you'll never have a touch of bad luck and go around the wrong corner on your way home and it just so happens that earlier you had your gear out for something and forgot that u stuck it in your pocket for just a moment and got distracted.
All of a sudden your current cycle is laid out on the hood of the cruiser and control of your life has just been taken from you for the next few years. It's actually quite a predictable and simple life. The rules and what's expected don't change. You being funny and hinting that brutus may be a convicted child molester as was alleged by another fucking big mouth here is how you are going to work your way off the ropes? You piece of shit. You seem to have a glimpse now and again of reality while shoveling the bullshit the rest of the time.
I promise you that you and any of the others that are gonna follow u down that road are existing on borrowed time and its not gonna be about gh and money and the goofy fuckers like ufc that schlep around here. If this shit is that important to you that you've committed to go this way then so be it.
96, you fucking guys go ahead and do your song and dance. You were solid for as long as i knew u and you never once had to explain in post after long winded post about why and what you were doing and being questioned about the brand and its shady owner u hang with and about deception and how some of the same guys that respected you were now calling you out.
Hanging with the likes of karl who is all about coming up on the cash of people that are more likely to buy into the nonsense of inexpensive(relatively) gh for many reasons, and even more so when a guy like yourself who is actually exploiting himself by taking advantage of and using his respected history to lend legitimacy to a questionable brand.
You disrespect yourself and its fucked up how the guys around you from your time before karl held you in high regard and know you as a much different guy. That;s your call. You wanna go slumming for whatever it is you feel selling out for is worth you're doing it. You continue to take things outside the world you've decided to be....I'm gonna be there at some point because we're not going to have any other way to handle it.
Come on with me being silly and pathetic with my street talk or whatever it is that was. When I was away people in the outside world(online and street) live in the here and now and don't look down the road. A lot of guys took the opportunity to let loose with things they wanted to or needed to say but didn't when i was on the block. Well, it wasn't yrs that i was gone this time. It was a few months.
I understand and don't feel the need to carry grudges about things that aren't that big a deal. Online...guys are going back and cleaning up their posts and waiting to see what may come of things.
How this turned into something all about me again is something i need to look at. But c'mon. You call one of my people a child molester again I promise you that you're gonna answer for it and its gonna happen outside of the boards.

 

[mands]

We know you are owed 3 kits because.... wait.... here it comes.... you SAY SO! consequently that is the exact number muscle is owed, right? Creepy- bad rhings happen in threes for sure... like the number of pro karl promuscle guys in this thread!

Couldn't resist... I am past caring about this thread. Anyone who buys this gh has pretty low standards and poor memory and conceptual grasp on the past predicting the future.

He owes me three as well @brutus79!

mands

 

[brutus79]

He owes me three as well @brutus79!

mands

That's no fun @mands because I believe you. Please stop being a credible person in this thread- it might lead to rational discourse. The silver lining is that you have not alluded to the possibility I might be a child molester. .. Thank god for small favors.

 

[mands]

That has no reflection on an uncensored forum. You can't make a judgment based on the number of people who are afraid to speak out when they have every opportunity to do so. But you can make a judgment based on the people who take full advantage of such freedom. As an example, your and many others participation and willingness to "go against the grain" reflects very positively.

It might not have any reflection on our uncensored forum @Millard Baker but, @muscle96ss has HIT on a huge problem here at MESO and that's the repercussion/negativity received by newbies, lower post count members or simply members that aren't as educated as others here at MESO. A few "TOP" guys attack first and criticize before even knowing the truth.

The point that I was trying to make is that these guys are continually bashing PM and complaining because it is a censored forum and you can't express your opinion if it doesn't agree with the "powers that be" for fear of being banned and having it deleted. While here at Meso you are free to post whatever you want, many people choose not to due to the fact that the "powers that be" will bully them and get personal with them. In both situations. whethe it be censored or uncensored, the posts do not get made. I understand in the uncensored forum, their freedom is not suppressed and it is simply a personal choice; but the results are the same in that the information is hidden from others.

Exactly!!!

mands

 

[mands]

That's no fun @mands because I believe you. Please stop being a credible person in this thread- it might lead to rational discourse. The silver lining is that you have not alluded to the possibility I might be a child molester. .. Thank god for small favors.

And don't forget I have contributed to your's and @johnnyBALLZ's log. lol And you know how I feel about you. I have stated it more than once about your character. I know how loyal your are to friends/family. And that's why I still put up with your shit.

mands

 

[ufcguy32]

Yes I'm owed 3 kits. And I already posted a screen shot proving it. So its not just me making up shit like you conveniently continue to overlook facts just to trash anything I have to say or anyone else that came here from pro muscle. The fact is no one that came here was looking to fight or to sell anyone anything. So maybe just maybe your conspiracy theory isn't what you would like it to be

 

[Voltrader]

So if there are people out there waiting on what is still owed and the only independent testing is from Mands and Jim. Throw in Karl's past at this point is not best to say we need at the very least further evaluation before even beginning to discuss if Karl deserves any sort of green light or endorsement. At this point I have no interest to fork over 400 bucks to find out.

As far as people afraid to speak up IDK I think that is BS. Are you really going to be afraid to speak your mind because Jim, Cbs, Brutus , Johnny or ANYONE is going to be barking down your door. Come on if your skin is not thick enough to throw an opinion out there that concerns me. It is the internet!!!! I am quite sure I have said things that have gone against the grain of all the above names but they know my intent so I guess I get a pass at times. This is a shady business I think we all can agree on that in my short 15-16 months I have seen some pretty epic scams so I can only imagine if you ave been around longer what one has seen. So there is a method to the madness and vigilance. It does boil down to protection and guards are that they are the initial line of defense sometimes I hate the tactics but they are effective. Meso is shoot first ask questions later. As far as opinions throw them out there because I am about tired of the last eighty pages dominated by the same people love to here some new things. I think some have underestimated the quieter less outspoken members they are digesting this and forming opinions but I am pretty sure up to this point there has not been a large influx of actual orders generated here.

Muscle 96 that was not cool about bringing Brutus back up. I expected better out of you but I am sure you still sleep at night.

So really where are we at now with Karl the facts. I am curious what batch number is he on? Any other independent documented testing?

Time for opinions from meso members lets see if anyone is "intimidated to remain quiet".

 

[mands]

So if there are people out there waiting on what is still owed and the only independent testing is from Mands and Jim. Throw in Karl's past at this point is not best to say we need at the very least further evaluation before even beginning to discuss if Karl deserves any sort of green light or endorsement. At this point I have no interest to fork over 400 bucks to find out.

As far as people afraid to speak up IDK I think that is BS. Are you really going to be afraid to speak your mind because Jim, Cbs, Brutus , Johnny or ANYONE is going to be barking down your door. Come on if your skin is not thick enough to throw an opinion out there that concerns me. It is the internet!!!! I am quite sure I have said things that have gone against the grain of all the above names but they know my intent so I guess I get a pass at times. This is a shady business I think we all can agree on that in my short 15-16 months I have seen some pretty epic scams so I can only imagine if you ave been around longer what one has seen. So there is a method to the madness and vigilance. It does boil down to protection and guards are that they are the initial line of defense sometimes I hate the tactics but they are effective. Meso is shoot first ask questions later. As far as opinions throw them out there because I am about tired of the last eighty pages dominated by the same people love to here some new things. I think some have underestimated the quieter less outspoken members they are digesting this and forming opinions but I am pretty sure up to this point there has not been a large influx of actual orders generated here.

Muscle 96 that was not cool about bringing Brutus back up. I expected better out of you but I am sure you still sleep at night.

So really where are we at now with Karl the facts. I am curious what batch number is he on? Any other independent documented testing?

Time for opinions from meso members lets see if anyone is "intimidated to remain quiet".

I think there is a large percentage that do NOT post because of the above mentioned besides JB. He's pretty objective.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing when they are going after sources. All I'm saying is that there are members here that will not post or that are scared to post. They might not like confrontation or just don't have the written skills these guys possess. Hell, I would venture to say the combined IQ of BB, Brutus, Jim, CBS and JB since you brought them up and these are the ones involved in this thread is 700+.

To some that can be intimidating in itself. But, add the fact they are all pretty much super aggressive it compounds it fully.

And as far as what Muscle was saying I took it as the problem with the Karius products not the other.

mands

 

[muscle96ss]

That fucking shit is out of line and I'm telling you guys who think you'll never have a touch of bad luck and go around the wrong corner on your way home and it just so happens that earlier you had your gear out for something and forgot that u stuck it in your pocket for just a moment and got distracted.
All of a sudden your current cycle is laid out on the hood of the cruiser and control of your life has just been taken from you for the next few years. It's actually quite a predictable and simple life. The rules and what's expected don't change. You being funny and hinting that brutus may be a convicted child molester as was alleged by another fucking big mouth here is how you are going to work your way off the ropes? You piece of shit. You seem to have a glimpse now and again of reality while shoveling the bullshit the rest of the time.
I promise you that you and any of the others that are gonna follow u down that road are existing on borrowed time and its not gonna be about gh and money and the goofy fuckers like ufc that schlep around here. If this shit is that important to you that you've committed to go this way then so be it.
96, you fucking guys go ahead and do your song and dance. You were solid for as long as i knew u and you never once had to explain in post after long winded post about why and what you were doing and being questioned about the brand and its shady owner u hang with and about deception and how some of the same guys that respected you were now calling you out.
Hanging with the likes of karl who is all about coming up on the cash of people that are more likely to buy into the nonsense of inexpensive(relatively) gh for many reasons, and even more so when a guy like yourself who is actually exploiting himself by taking advantage of and using his respected history to lend legitimacy to a questionable brand.
You disrespect yourself and its fucked up how the guys around you from your time before karl held you in high regard and know you as a much different guy. That;s your call. You wanna go slumming for whatever it is you feel selling out for is worth you're doing it. You continue to take things outside the world you've decided to be....I'm gonna be there at some point because we're not going to have any other way to handle it.
Come on with me being silly and pathetic with my street talk or whatever it is that was. When I was away people in the outside world(online and street) live in the here and now and don't look down the road. A lot of guys took the opportunity to let loose with things they wanted to or needed to say but didn't when i was on the block. Well, it wasn't yrs that i was gone this time. It was a few months.
I understand and don't feel the need to carry grudges about things that aren't that big a deal. Online...guys are going back and cleaning up their posts and waiting to see what may come of things.
How this turned into something all about me again is something i need to look at. But c'mon. You call one of my people a child molester again I promise you that you're gonna answer for it and its gonna happen outside of the boards.

Wow, I have taken a barrage of personal attacks over the last couple of weeks. I guess you guys can sure dish it out, but god forbid anybody give it back to you and you cry. When it comes to brutus, I never accused him of being anything other than a checkered past to prove that the past does not predict the future necessarily in a negative way. I have no idea what his past includes other than there were issues and as I stated I hope that the specifics that IM posted about him is wrong. Of course you guys twist things around as usual to make it mean whatever you want it to.

Thats all I need to address in this post as the rest if it is the same bullshit rant where you pretend to know me and act like I have changed because I disagree with you.

 

[BR1217]

Hell, I would venture to say the combined IQ of BB, Brutus, Jim, CBS and JB since you brought them up and these are the ones involved in this thread is 700+.

Those guys aren't that smart!

 

[Dr JIM]

Purity means that u look at the protein content in the GH case and see what % from it is HGH, the other excipients are not protein (one of then in an amino acid),

But what u suggest ? again sorry for my ignorance but what should we weight ?

IGH purity is best defined up front bc the definitions do in fact vary.

For example to many GH researchers purity is determined by what percentage of the protein secreted by the plasmid infected E-coli is the intact GH polypeptide.

While the WHO and FDA define purity as that percentage of secreted GH which is biologically active! (Researchers refer to that as POTENCY, lol)

However most analytical research chemists define "protein" purity as that amount, which is characterized by target MW, because of the number of AA and cross linkages to other elements, AND specific Biologic Activity because of the AA sequence and inter-peptide folding.

So when the lab reports a GH purity, it is only referring to that amount of protein which is GH.

Understand they are NOT referring to the amount of the SAMPLE which is GH, since the latter is most often referred to as CONCENTRATION!

That's WHY weighing the sample is important bc you have to know the weight of the vial contents to determine the GH concentration.

Ok DOC who cares if the analysis reveals the protein weight is 2mg with a purity of 75% then I have 1.5mg of "GH" or roughly 4.5 IUs right?

Yep that's correct but the other additives such as excipients, stabilizers, ph modifiers, etc MAY determine the Biologic Activity of that GH you purchased.

Now how much, what type and what concentration of these additives are needed varies considerably from one manufacturer to the next AND are almost always the result of timeless experimentation to ensure the product being sold achieves USP, WHO and FDA regulations!

Ergo, having a GH product with a PURITY and CONCENTRATION approaching 95% is quite UNLIKELY to be a good thing since almost all pharm grade GH has a concentration that only rarely exceeds 60%.

I hope this helps clarify the issue to some extent anyway.

Regs
Jim

 

[Millard]

The point that I was trying to make is that these guys are continually bashing PM and complaining because it is a censored forum and you can't express your opinion if it doesn't agree with the "powers that be" for fear of being banned and having it deleted. While here at Meso you are free to post whatever you want, many people choose not to due to the fact that the "powers that be" will bully them and get personal with them. In both situations. whethe it be censored or uncensored, the posts do not get made. I understand in the uncensored forum, their freedom is not suppressed and it is simply a personal choice; but the results are the same in that the information is hidden from others.

Your point is well-taken. Members may be discouraged from posting their opinions on both types of forums but for different reasons. The results are not the same.

In your own words: "a censored forum and you can't express your opinion if it doesn't agree with the "powers that be" for fear of being banned and having it deleted".

This doesn't happen on MESO because there is no centralized "powers that be" that will ban members or delete content that voice an unpopular or minority opinion.

An uncensored forum you CAN express your opinion and it doesn't matter if it disagrees with anyone else's opinion, you will not be banned or deleted.

I think that is a very important distinction.

 

[Millard]

While here at Meso you are free to post whatever you want, many people choose not to due to the fact that the "powers that be" will bully them and get personal with them. In both situations. whethe it be censored or uncensored, the posts do not get made.

It might not have any reflection on our uncensored forum @Millard Baker but, @muscle96ss has HIT on a huge problem here at MESO and that's the repercussion/negativity received by newbies, lower post count members or simply members that aren't as educated as others here at MESO.

Without a doubt, I think unnecessary personal attacks and bullying behavior will have the undesirable effect of deterring some members from posting. Calling everyone a scammer or shill doesn't really lead to much progress and devalues the meaning of those words.

But I think the animus toward the MESO forum and the uncensored nature of it is misplaced.

It is the very nature of an uncensored forum to allow transparent and constructive criticism of such behavior such that it is self-correcting to a certain extent.

The irony is that while @muscle96ss (and others like @regular) are criticizing MESO, it is their open criticism that is proof that the uncensored forum is working. Their criticism (and freedom to do so) has an impact, will cause the community to reflect on the behavior and will no doubt make MESO a better place.

For this reason, I welcome the criticism and am glad to see them here.

 

[mands]

Without a doubt, I think unnecessary personal attacks and bullying behavior will have the undesirable effect of deterring some members from posting. Calling everyone a scammer or shill doesn't really lead to much progress and devalues the meaning of those words.

But I think the animus toward the MESO forum and the uncensored nature of it is misplaced.

It is the very nature of an uncensored forum to allow transparent and constructive criticism of such behavior such that it is self-correcting to a certain extent.

The irony is that while @muscle96ss (and others like @regular) are criticizing MESO, it is their open criticism that is proof that the uncensored forum is working. Their criticism (and freedom to do so) has an impact, will cause the community to reflect on the behavior and will no doubt make MESO a better place.

For this reason, I welcome the criticism and am glad to see them here.

Totally agree with you on this Millard! Point well taken.

mands

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

It might not have any reflection on our uncensored forum @Millard Baker but, @muscle96ss has HIT on a huge problem here at MESO and that's the repercussion/negativity received by newbies, lower post count members or simply members that aren't as educated as others here at MESO. A few "TOP" guys attack first and criticize before even knowing the truth.

I think some of them big shots really enjoy that e-power, pretty sad. There are a few knowledgable guys on here without agendas who like to just help, and then there is everyone else.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I think there is a large percentage that do NOT post because of the above mentioned besides JB. He's pretty objective.

You don't think I'm objective, Mands?

 

[mands]

You don't think I'm objective, Mands?

I thought about that after I posted and yes I think you are. You certainly have been with me.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

Your point is well-taken. Members may be discouraged from posting their opinions on both types of forums but for different reasons. The results are not the same.

In your own words: "a censored forum and you can't express your opinion if it doesn't agree with the "powers that be" for fear of being banned and having it deleted".

This doesn't happen on MESO because there is no centralized "powers that be" that will ban members or delete content that voice an unpopular or minority opinion.

An uncensored forum you CAN express your opinion and it doesn't matter if it disagrees with anyone else's opinion, you will not be banned or deleted.

I think that is a very important distinction.

I personally don't believe it's to surprising some have to be reminded of "that distinction" !

 

[Dr JIM]

So one can select their forum preference by knowing two important distinctions.

Namely, "bullying" does not occur on the censored forum yet "powers that be" may delete the participant or their post altogether.

While on a uncensored forum "bullying" does occur thru the commentary of other more "influential" board members, yet whom have no covert or overt administrative province, come again!

Oh poppycock! The big difference, in the uncensored forum the "bullied" member is provided a platform to respond in kind, should they choose do so, yet this is a rare option when "the powers that be" have made a command decision regarding censorship (AKA Bullying).

Finally make no mistake about it "bullying" most certainly occurs on censored forums, thru mods, "vet status", personal relationships or individual associations etc yet it's justified by the "powers that be" as a means of "securing the forum mission", the protection of ADVERTISED SOURCES.

It distinction really is that simple IMO!

 

[muscle96ss]

I understand the difference between a censored and uncensored forum and agree that there are definitely some benefits to being uncensored(I am not a fan of censorship). My issue is that there are people on this board that act like because Meso is uncensored that there are not board politics that you have at other boards. They act like Meso is the best thing since sliced bread and that all the others boards are corrupt and screwed up(and actively voice that opinion). Its an us versus them mentallity. As a result, when someone from another board comes over, if someone does not agree with their position in an argument they simply discount and invalidate their presentation solely based on the fact that they are from another board and they are a shill.

For example in this thread. You pretty much have Jim running the show. While I am free to express my opinion and not censored, instead of listening to what I say, debating the facts, and having a meaningful discussion; Jim has chosen to dismiss anything I say simply for the fact that I am from Professional Muscle, so I must be a shill. He will not answer any questions and has now put me and everyone else from PM on ignore so that basically while we are able to express our opinion; it is still supressed and ignored and board politics ends up ruling. Whats ironic is that both "morepain" and I were members of the original Meso and active contributors long before Jim was even here.

So my issue isn't with the distinction between censored and uncensored; its the attitude portrayed by those in the uncensored forum as being holier than thou and act as if because it is uncensored that their shit doesn't stink.