Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

Still waiting for that PM so I can give you some fashion ideas, tips and my tailors address. Banana republic was never in style, so dont know why you still insist on shopping there. You sound more like a jc penny or gap guy.. Real high class..


You would know.


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I got an idea genius. Why don't you read those posts and tell me how many of those posts are actually negative posts? Also, why don't you check and tell me how many of those posts are recommending people to buy the product? Lets see those statistics as those would be more meaningful, don't you think? Also, while you are at it, I challenge you to search through this entire 100 page cluster fuck and find 1 post where I am recommending people to buy Karl's GH. This is an open challenge not only to you CBS but to everyone and anyone on here. Lets see some actual facts, since that seems to be an issue here.

CBS, still waiting for that analysis. You say you are after the truth, well read through those posts and lets hear what the truth is. I know there is even one post on there from about 6-8 weeks ago where I clearly state that I do NOT recommend anybody to purchase this GH(back when the first batch came out and there were injection issues). I guess I was using reverse psychology to get people to buy it. Lets see if you have the balls to post that picture up here, or would that blow a hole in your theory?
 
You don't get it, there is no "team" and there is no such thing as "promuscle" guys. For you guys its either black or white, your either "meso" or your a bad guy. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are all here for same reason, to learn and share. Yes, there are some people out there trying to make money and scam, but not everyone is a bad guy. Just like in real life, you here about bad people everywhere, but I would like to believe that in general most people are good.

You're not being honest with me, us,yourself. If don't have all the players straight and have forgotten something I'm jumped and my inaccuracies are pointed out.
You all demand that our suggestions/accusations be validated with concrete evidence that would hold up in a court of law and if you aren't satisfied you believe that you've made it through another storm.
I didn't need hidden cameras and recording devices inside the rooms of the Pacman and Horizon guys to know those lowlifes were scamming pm members. I've been around long enough to know when things are more than a little off.
Italianmuscle knew it, also. The promuscle staff was in on that scam(usually are) and silenced us by deleting posts that gave warnings and asked the simple questions that made it clear that the members were dealing with liars and that their money was not going to be exchanged for legit gh and was not going to be refunded.
After a short time we were banned. It's exhausting trying to keep up with things when the entire pm board is working in shifts to ensure that the bullshit keeps piling up and that the funds keep rolling in.
How is it, 96, that before this gh nonsense with karl and your involvement with whatever it is that finds you here defending the people you are as well as the products that are either for sale or will be once they've been given the proper intro by you all, that it was easy to conclude that you and I(others as well) were striving towards and shared a common goal. That goal was that sources be held more accountable(labmax) and some of the control enjoyed by unchecked sources shift over into the hands of Community members in hopes of a more level playing field as well as safety in regards to knowing what's getting into our bodies and that people are getting what they pay for in that Boldenone isn't being passed of as Primo, etc.
What keeps you focused and keeps that fire burning these days, huh? Certainly not what drove you at the start of the onslaught of posts and emails everywhere when the first labmax test results were posted. You were proud of what you were apart of. You were passionate and knew you were onto something important when sources started to sit up and take notice as well as board owners. You were in demand.
I made posts supporting you and the guys that believed in you and what you stood for. You were feared by the bad guys and championed a hero by the average member and respected by all.
These days your hanging out with and seem to be on the payroll of one of the sources that would've wanted to be nowhere you just a short time ago. Back then you were about transparency and the right of people to know what they were paying and putting in their bodies? This stuff that you are seemingly convinced of as being pharm grade gh and want us to see it as such wouldn't have made it out of the starting blocks.
 
This thread has become so convoluted it is hard to see the forest through the trees ....so to speak.

I originally was lets stay on Karl and see where it goes. I thought it was a chance for the community to really step up and truly hold Karl to the fire through blood test and continued testing.

I think both sides have made mistakes in this thread. A guy like me old in my years but not in this internet ugl scene it is hard to decipher . Seems as if everyone has a agenda and I don't really know who is on the consumers side.

Honestly, I don't believe anybody has a true agenda other than Karl who obviously does because he is the source. But I believe both sides are on the consumers side. The reason I say that is because I think Jim honestly believes what he is posting is right and doesn't really care about the methodology he uses to get his message across. The problem is that based on prior experience and a biased viewpoint, he is unable to look at things objectively and only sees what he wants to see. When presented with facts that contradict what he has said or don't logically fit with his scenario, instead of acknowledging and debating those facts, he discounts them by personal attacks such as calling them a shill or a "promuscle guy". I mean we have spent 70 pages or so debating whether mands sample was 99.5% purity or not when the doc himself is the one who originally stated that information. But the simple fact that doc is so stubborn he cant speak up and say, "yes, mands sample tested at around 99.5% purity, but I have other issues and these are.....", and then move on to something relevant is what has caused this clusterfuck. But in the end, like I stated earlier, I think we are all on the same team in terms of our objectives.
 
CBS, still waiting for that analysis. You say you are after the truth, well read through those posts and lets hear what the truth is. I know there is even one post on there from about 6-8 weeks ago where I clearly state that I do NOT recommend anybody to purchase this GH(back when the first batch came out and there were injection issues). I guess I was using reverse psychology to get people to buy it. Lets see if you have the balls to post that picture up here, or would that blow a hole in your theory?


I don't think I ever called you a shill in this thread. I know some have called you a shill and the purpose of my post was to note the fact that the top three posters in K's thread on PM are also heavily involved here. You have to admit it's very coincidental. However, based on your statements, I'm reasonably confident that you are NOT a shill for Karl.

That said, you've been on Meso long enough to know that any shill hoping to remain here needs to be fairly sophisticated in order to avoid detection. Giving misleading statements would be an example of that sophistication. Finding the smoking gun that proves beyond all doubt that someone like that is a shill will be next to impossible. The best we can do is shake the tree and see what falls out. Consider my post as shaking the tree.
 
You're not being honest with me, us,yourself. If don't have all the players straight and have forgotten something I'm jumped and my inaccuracies are pointed out.
You all demand that our suggestions/accusations be validated with concrete evidence that would hold up in a court of law and if you aren't satisfied you believe that you've made it through another storm.
I didn't need hidden cameras and recording devices inside the rooms of the Pacman and Horizon guys to know those lowlifes were scamming pm members. I've been around long enough to know when things are more than a little off.
Italianmuscle knew it, also. The promuscle staff was in on that scam(usually are) and silenced us by deleting posts that gave warnings and asked the simple questions that made it clear that the members were dealing with liars and that their money was not going to be exchanged for legit gh and was not going to be refunded.
After a short time we were banned. It's exhausting trying to keep up with things when the entire pm board is working in shifts to ensure that the bullshit keeps piling up and that the funds keep rolling in.
How is it, 96, that before this gh nonsense with karl and your involvement with whatever it is that finds you here defending the people you are as well as the products that are either for sale or will be once they've been given the proper intro by you all, that it was easy to conclude that you and I(others as well) were striving towards and shared a common goal. That goal was that sources be held more accountable(labmax) and some of the control enjoyed by unchecked sources shift over into the hands of Community members in hopes of a more level playing field as well as safety in regards to knowing what's getting into our bodies and that people are getting what they pay for in that Boldenone isn't being passed of as Primo, etc.
What keeps you focused and keeps that fire burning these days, huh? Certainly not what drove you at the start of the onslaught of posts and emails everywhere when the first labmax test results were posted. You were proud of what you were apart of. You were passionate and knew you were onto something important when sources started to sit up and take notice as well as board owners. You were in demand.
I made posts supporting you and the guys that believed in you and what you stood for. You were feared by the bad guys and championed a hero by the average member and respected by all.
These days your hanging out with and seem to be on the payroll of one of the sources that would've wanted to be nowhere you just a short time ago. Back then you were about transparency and the right of people to know what they were paying and putting in their bodies? This stuff that you are seemingly convinced of as being pharm grade gh and want us to see it as such wouldn't have made it out of the starting blocks.

Ben, nobody is on Karl's payroll, he is here alone. I am not recommending his GH nor have I even purchased his new "pharm grade" GH. The only purchase I made was for 5 kits of Scitropin back in March that were completely bunk. He then replaced those with 5 kits of his new pharm grade GH that were completely un-useable because of the severe injection irritation. He then replaced those with 2 kits of the latest batch which is much more useable but not completely to the level where I am satisfied(all of this out of his pocket to try to make things right). He still owes me 3 kits from the next batch that he has reassured me will be 100% useable. Until I receive those 3 kits and verify that they are useable, I have no desire to purchase his GH. At that time when I am made whole and the quality of the GH is proven to be the same quality of mands sample that was tested; at that point I will definitely consider purchasing his GH and recommend it as well. I have also explained on several occasions in this thread why I believe that Karl will not turn this into a scam, so I will not rehash that information. So your assumptions about me and my involvement are incorrect and I have been nothing but 100% honest in every single post that I have made. You seem to think that because I was involved in the original labmax testing that I am anti-source. I am not anti-source as not all sources are scammers. However, I am about bringing out the truth and holding the source accountable. In this case Karl has been accountable for his bogus GH and is making everyone whole who purchase the bunk krapp. There are still some unanswered questions about Karls operation, I agree 100%. But lets quit attacking those seeking answers and work with them to get those answers.
 
I don't think I ever called you a shill in this thread. I know some have called you a shill and the purpose of my post was to note the fact that the top three posters in K's thread on PM are also heavily involved here. You have to admit it's very coincidental. However, based on your statements, I'm reasonably confident that you are NOT a shill for Karl.

That said, you've been on Meso long enough to know that any shill hoping to remain here needs to be fairly sophisticated in order to avoid detection. Giving misleading statements would be an example of that sophistication. Finding the smoking gun that proves beyond all doubt that someone like that is a shill will be next to impossible. The best we can do is shake the tree and see what falls out. Consider my post as shaking the tree.

I think one of the reasons why this thread attracted people from PM was that mands was originally unable to get the lab results to upload to PM but was able to upload them here. So people on PM became aware of this thread and came over see what was going on over here. Had mands not posted on PM and had this thread on Meso not been brought up in the thread over at PM, I highly doubt anybody from PM would have stumbled onto this thread. I would have found it because I have been following this section of Meso since the labmax testing started, but I doubt the others would have. Also, if you read "more pains" posts on Karls thread, it will be quite obvious that he is not on Karl's payroll either as not everything is positive. Anybody who is reading this and has any questions, please feel free to go read the thread on PM and come to your own conclusions as the data presented is quite misleading once you read the content of the posts.
 
I completely understand. I've been on different boards since I was 20. Now about to be 36. I've been training my whole life and love the sport itself and I'm fascinated by different compounds particularly gh. Sometimes I may have come off as brash and defensive but my intention is good. I also have a a great deal of pride and if someone steps up in my face it's not in me to back down. So that being said , I've stayed here bc although it's way different here than pro muscle I can appreciate the effort by certain people who want to get this figured out. I hope this helps
You come off as not very bright and in being so are easily exposed for what you are by a guy that's just a touch more sophisticated and a whole lot better looking than you.
You aren't seen as having excessive pride by us. It's false bravado. When I confronted you or "got in your face"(as much as possdible online) you went in 3 or 4 directions that provided some insight about you.You went to pieces. First impressions sure are something.
 
I also can agree on you on that. I came here bc of mands not Karl. It turned into a huge discussion here so I was definitely wanting to see how it turned out. I still am owed 3 kit as well. I'm not having injection issues nor is my friend I split the order. I do notice a slight sting...so I'm waiting to get the last batch but I'm not having welts. I'd I did I'd tell him to replace all the kits. I still think more test have to be done because it was one sample and I do think Karl has to be held accountable so the testing is necessary.
 
Karl's thread at ProMuscle. Note the top three posters behind Karl. Coincidence?

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HOLY GH BATMAN, NOW THATS PROPHETIC.

How can ANYONE in Gotham look at that and say these team leaders don't have a vested interest in what's going on here?

Ah but yes there is a reason Robin! Yes? Blindness!

How foolish of me! Foolish indeed young whipper snapper!
 
HOLY GH BATMAN, NOW THATS PROPHETIC.

How can ANYONE in Gotham look at that and say these team leaders don't have a vested interest in what's going on here?

Ah but yes there is a reason Robin! Yes? Blindness!

How foolish of me! Foolish indeed young whipper snapper!

Read the posts after it and address those comments please!!! Simply looking at the number of posts without looking at the contents of the posts is meaningless and can lead to false assumptions(you are assuming they are all positive and telling people to buy Karl's GH which is incorrect). If you were to look at the number of posts you have in this thread, you are probably one of the highest posters. Does that make you a shill for Karl? Why don't you first read the posts and then tell me what the actual truth of the matter is. Like I said, in another post, I challenge anyone to show me where I have recommended someone to buy Karls GH?
 
Neither have I. I know u like to stir shit up just for kicks Jim but seriously it gets old.



HOLY GH BATMAN, NOW THATS PROPHETIC.

How can ANYONE in Gotham look at that and say these team leaders don't have a vested interest in what's going on here?

Ah but yes there is a reason Robin! Yes? Blindness!

How foolish of me! Foolish indeed young whipper snapper!
 
I mainly came over to see if Phreezer and some of the old guys were still around and should have never said anything, but i know muscle96 and hes just a good guy, felt like i should chime in.


You'll find Phreezer protecting scammers over at OLM nowadays.

Millard, this place is just not the same as when the original mods were around ,


Thankfully. Millard learned from the error of his ways. Hopefully others do as well.
 
Damn it's getting late, I'm in my gym doing legs using my limited view iPhone, and in fairness I did a pathetic job of explaining that K, F me!

I'll finish up here shortly and get to as computer and make better sense of why weighing one's GH is so important at least initially.

What a complete joke you are. How can anyone take you seriously, when you are supposedly in the gym training legs, and you cant seem to get off your iphone and post on Meso?? Anyone that carries their phone with them to the gym and is on facebook, forums, or any other media outlook, isnt serious about training. I can understand if you have young children, etc. But you are doing this for your egotistical, inflated ego.. Well done!
 
What's even funnier to me is how in the beginning of this jim was all flustered as being listed as the tester but yet I've seen about 5 threads with you outright asking people to send u anabolic steroids to test and listing the price of the tests. Yet u cried and whined about ur safety like ur cover had been blown. Here's some food for thought. If u are worried about safety don't have random people send you anabolic steroids in the mail and advertise it on a message board with prices like you are the fucking godfather.
 
Read the posts after it and address those comments please!!! Simply looking at the number of posts without looking at the contents of the posts is meaningless and can lead to false assumptions(you are assuming they are all positive and telling people to buy Karl's GH which is incorrect). If you were to look at the number of posts you have in this thread, you are probably one of the highest posters. Does that make you a shill for Karl? Why don't you first read the posts and then tell me what the actual truth of the matter is. Like I said, in another post, I challenge anyone to show me where I have recommended someone to buy Karls GH?
The truth of the matter is that your crew offers nothing to this site beyond your contributions in this thread. This is the main thing that raises suspicion... I hear a lot of demeaning shit about this site coming out of your camp, so karl getting a "fair shake" is the only thing you must be here for. Give some cycle advice here, run a log, tell a joke or something. If you don't have friends or people who respect you here you are wasting your breath- and I don't mean the loose friendship forged with Mands over his 50 posts at promuscle...

Don't waste time with a long response just because you are the only well spoken one of the group. Ufc has shit for brains and mr 2003 who chimed in today about how disappointed with Meso he is sounds borderline retarded. You have been elected leader of the promuscle scouting party because you are the one eyed man we all know of.

Again- prove you have no financial interest in this by leaving or contributing elsewhere where you might be of help on this board. Constantly reiterating your "moral" (highly questionable) reasons for being here is tiresome beyond belief.
 
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