Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[biggerben69]

Thanks tileguy... Keep it up...I've been following your posts on this. I've been bitching about this for a loooong time.

What are you wanting to take partial credit for? You want it to be known that you've also been complaining about guys needing more options when it comes to sources of inexpensive gh that is trusted the way maybe RIPS from HK were trusted?
Wow. I can't believe we missed this? All this time you had more complaining you could have done while you sat back and waited for someone to fill the void.
These guys go through all this trouble to make up stories of factories and handing in products for FDA approval etc when all they had to do was bring real generic gh to the table?
Wasn't done because it can't be done, obviously. There is a lot of money waiting for good generic gh. Problem is maybe not enough money considering the costs and problems producing it?
If karl and 96 could actually produce legit gh don't you think they would instead of dealing with all this turmoil? Karl's life sucks at this moment. Maybe these guys can go get something going at pm and make a few bucks for themselves? What will they be pushing is the question.

 

[dper726]

There is someone in china with good generics . I can't believe it's all faked . Just had some cheap blk tops test out at 15.6 of 5 iu's . Too bad source went away . We need better options -

Actually, there are quite a few generic GH's on the market now that are far from bunk. The majority of the good generics disappeared when the Hygetropin plant shut down the beginning of the year. But in the last several months the scenario has changed and legit GH is out there, and not just on PM. I could get much more specific then I would be accused of being a shill. After all it was only several months ago when people were accusing me of being a rep for TP.

There is the possibility of good quality generic. That is a fact that should not be eliminated. But another fact that should not be eliminated is there is also the possibility of disagreeable quality due to the lack of regulation by a standard enforced through sovereignty. And with that not one person should buy into the claims that a source with lack of this sovereign enforcement could comply to the same quality measures and meet the same exact expectations.

 

[kawilt]

What are you wanting to take partial credit for? You want it to be known that you've also been complaining about guys needing more options when it comes to sources of inexpensive gh that is trusted the way maybe RIPS from HK were trusted?
Wow. I can't believe we missed this? All this time you had more complaining you could have done while you sat back and waited for someone to fill the void.
These guys go through all this trouble to make up stories of factories and handing in products for FDA approval etc when all they had to do was bring real generic gh to the table?
Wasn't done because it can't be done, obviously. There is a lot of money waiting for good generic gh. Problem is maybe not enough money considering the costs and problems producing it?
If karl and 96 could actually produce legit gh don't you think they would instead of dealing with all this turmoil? Karl's life sucks at this moment. Maybe these guys can go get something going at pm and make a few bucks for themselves? What will they be pushing is the question.

I'm not sitting back waiting for someone to do anything bb. I've got what I need and was just glad to see tileguy being persistent. And I've never, ever complained about needing more options, or for that matter about needing more options about needing anything. If I don't know something I'll ask a question. And there's a lot I don't know. Got no horse in this mad race.
Credit? for what?!!!
What I meant by "bitching" about it was that I have alway's asked if this stuff that was showing good Igf-1 levels could be peptides, or a combination of peptides and GH. That's all I've asked. Nada mas.

 

[tileguy123]

Check out TSM's blues, he is on Outlaw. I have done 3 serum tests over the last several months on 3 different orders and they have all been between 27-30 and IGF-1 test recently at 380 to back it up as well. I guess I am on his payroll too.

Muscle96 .. im going to check into this a bit tonight. nothing like a hot lead! sniff sniff

 

[tileguy123]

Reliable and cheap dont go hand and hand but i just know its out there.

 

[dper726]

Reliable and cheap dont go hand and hand but i just know its out there.

heck you proved it even though it did not last!

 

[biggerben69]

I'm not sitting back waiting for someone to do anything bb. I've got what I need and was just glad to see tileguy being persistent. And I've never, ever complained about needing more options, or for that matter about needing more options about needing anything. If I don't know something I'll ask a question. And there's a lot I don't know. Got no horse in this mad race.
Credit? for what?!!!
What I meant by "bitching" about it was that I have alway's asked if this stuff that was showing good Igf-1 levels could be peptides, or a combination of peptides and GH. That's all I've asked. Nada mas.

Oh yeah! Well, I don't think it's right to confuse me by throwing in some french at the end there....u don't fight fair! And since when did it matter to anyone if I was accurate in my reasons for jumping out from behind a bush and doing a number on anyone?
I also don't hear any gratitude in your cyber voice after our boys put out all those fires and ran Saddam out of office? I see...what have you done for me lately, allah?
You have an Olynpic curling team thanks to some of us, Kuwait. You're welcome!!

 

[kawilt]

There's not a bigger fan of our men in military than me biggerben. You know that if you've followed some of the heated discussions, and I've always enjoyed reading your inputs on whatever subject. It doesn't matter when or why you jump out from behind that bush BB, just caught me off guard for a minute.

 

[tileguy123]

Fck u both

 

[graniteman]

Muscle96 .. im going to check into this a bit tonight. nothing like a hot lead! sniff sniff

Do yourself a favor and go to HK there. It's all he does and his rep is stellar

 

[Dr JIM]

I really don't know about his rep but if he is the same fella who distributes 'Rips", the GH many BB/Lifters boast about, a considerable portion of that generic lot is absolute BUNK based on testing 'ive performed.

However in fairness do I know HK was the re-saler of the GH i tested, (bc there is a lot of 'Rips" out there), nope. But one, with 2-3 still pending, came via the STRETCH scam wagon and I was told HK WAS indeed the source in that instance.

The results no GH, but roughly twenty percent of the dry weight consisted of a peptide the size and MW of GHRF and a few other amino acids such as Glycine, Tyrosine and Tryptophan. (These fellas aren't stupid and there is a VERY good reason for including those AA specifically)

Incidentally I've performed some 14-15 COMPLETE GH assays (not to be confused with a partial assay where the analysis is discontinued for a variety of reasons such as a MW not being cw GH) and perhaps ONLY ONE or TWO OF THE VIALS CONTAINED THE DRY WEIGHT AS LISTED ON THE VIAL!

What does that mean?

It's just another means of scamming people out of their hard earned money. For example even if the purity IS 95% at a stated weight of 10 mg for instance thats roughly 30IU/vial. But reducing the DRY WEIGHT by 50% also decreases the net yield in IU from 30 to 15IU!

Well F Jim what are you suggesting then, I mean the difference would be obvious right? NOT!!!?

Unless you KNOW the GH source VERY WELL WEIGH THE CONTENTS before use. Because even I was surprised how easy it was to disguise the dry weight of something like GH when it's thoroughly LYOPHILIZED (freeze dried)!

The scales MUST be a MG scale. They are relatively inexpensive ESPECIALLY compared to the cost of GH, I located one at Beds, Baths and Beyond for about $80 bucks.

regs
jim

 

[Western-Biotech]

Doc - what u suggest to scale and how ? most of the lyophilized content of a GH vial is accounted for excipients, how the weighing may assist us ? or I don't get here something ?

 

[Dr JIM]

Doc - what u suggest to scale and how ? most of the lyophilized content of a GH vial is accounted for excipients, how the weighing may assist us ? or I don't get here something ?

What are u kidding? What do you think a purity of 95% means then K ????
(Hint what you mentioned; excipients, preservatives, buffers, etc are the primary reason a "purity" that exceeds much more than 98% approaches the impossible)

Sure what comes off the production line most certainly can an should be 99.9% pure BUT GH, and most other drugs can't be sold in their "raw form" for a variety of reasons.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Purity means that u look at the protein content in the GH case and see what % from it is HGH, the other excipients are not protein (one of then in an amino acid),

But what u suggest ? again sorry for my ignorance but what should we weight ?

 

[Dr JIM]

Damn it's getting late, I'm in my gym doing legs using my limited view iPhone, and in fairness I did a pathetic job of explaining that K, F me!

I'll finish up here shortly and get to as computer and make better sense of why weighing one's GH is so important at least initially.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Thank u - I may explain to my customers how to avoid Chinese scams, u saw on Mand's Jins test that it was a 100% scam, I would like to give them the tools to test and learn

 

[morepain]

Its a strange thing, i came back to meso after many years hoping some of the original guys were still around, none are. After watching the childish rantings that go on over here its no wonder. Muscle96ss like myself has been around since most of the current crop was shitting their diapers, but instead of at least hearing the guy who is simply TRYING to provide his own feedback a bunch of internet tough guys have to come out of the woodwork with some kid of meaningless agenda, i just don't get it, this board used to be the pinnacle of guys truly trying to help each other, now its just comical.

As for Karl's GH is just like anything else, if you don't believe in it simply don't buy it...how simple is that? Why does everyone have to champion some worthless cause seeking the approval of a bunch of random internet personalities that they have never met?

I personally have used Karl's GH and no i never tested it and have no intentions of debating it, however if its not GH i would love to know what it is because at 10iu per day i have never seen anything like it, im a road map of veins. but as someone posted in this god awful long thread QC is the primary concern and consistency. For me i will likely go back to pharma at a much lower dose, i walked away from the heavy drug usage years ago. Trust me those of you in your 20's one day you WILL look back on all this and think WTF was i thinking.

 

[brutus79]

@morepain
" As for Karl's GH is just like anything else, if you don't believe in it simply don't buy it...how simple is that? Why does everyone have to champion some worthless cause seeking the approval of a bunch of random internet personalities that they have never met?"

Isn't that what you are doing with this post and all your truly amazing veteran talk? Change don't believe to "believe" amd don't buy to "buy" in your quoted post and follow your own advice. Tough guy.

 

[morepain]

no actually its not but obviously you guys are completely incapable of simply reading, like i said its no wonder that all of the original meso members have long since disappeared, Millard must look at this place with complete disgust these days, truly sad

 

[biggerben69]

Its a strange thing, i came back to meso after many years hoping some of the original guys were still around, none are. After watching the childish rantings that go on over here its no wonder. Muscle96ss like myself has been around since most of the current crop was shitting their diapers, but instead of at least hearing the guy who is simply TRYING to provide his own feedback a bunch of internet tough guys have to come out of the woodwork with some kid of meaningless agenda, i just don't get it, this board used to be the pinnacle of guys truly trying to help each other, now its just comical.

As for Karl's GH is just like anything else, if you don't believe in it simply don't buy it...how simple is that? Why does everyone have to champion some worthless cause seeking the approval of a bunch of random internet personalities that they have never met?

I personally have used Karl's GH and no i never tested it and have no intentions of debating it, however if its not GH i would love to know what it is because at 10iu per day i have never seen anything like it, im a road map of veins. but as someone posted in this god awful long thread QC is the primary concern and consistency. For me i will likely go back to pharma at a much lower dose, i walked away from the heavy drug usage years ago. Trust me those of you in your 20's one day you WILL look back on all this and think WTF was i thinking.

Diapers, huh? You, 96, and Karl have come together to jack each other off here because you are all on the same team. That team is all about how to push and promote karl's whatever it is and make money off the younger members you're talking down to.
You aren't here by chance and you 3 didn't hang yrs ago anywhere.
You guys are promuscle guys now and as such aren't about the living the lifestyle or brotherhood you are pimping shit that isn't pharm gh(it's better than serostim according to you) while pretending to be innocent of any agenda.
Know your audience. We know what pm is all about, We know what you and the other hired hands are about. Nothing special.
You, conversely, are mixing it up with a guy that happens to be a pretty big deal. Has the inside on things guys want and strive to achieve.
You've got Brutus who is in the know...gman and the Doc. Respected by men on boards that aren't source first above all boards. You guys on pm and the like simply take ...strip miners of the community. You give nothing back. You leave broken promises, lighter wallets, and angry young men that you guys help lead to the lions and claim innocence when the source goes bad and takes off with the hard earned money of members only to begin to organize the next scheme.