Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Millard]

For example in this thread. You pretty much have Jim running the show. While I am free to express my opinion and not censored, instead of listening to what I say, debating the facts, and having a meaningful discussion; Jim has chosen to dismiss anything I say simply for the fact that I am from Professional Muscle, so I must be a shill. He will not answer any questions and has now put me and everyone else from PM on ignore so that basically while we are able to express our opinion; it is still supressed and ignored and board politics ends up ruling.

I am sure @Dr JIM is flattered that you concede so much power and influence to him. But don't underestimate your contributions.

MESO is not one person. Just because @Dr JIM may ignore you, there are hundreds of people not named Jim who are reading your posts.

I really can't understand why you are under the impression that your posts are being suppressed. I don't think it would meet any definition of the word.

Suppress: definition: prevent the dissemination of (information); synonyms: censor, keep secret, conceal, hide, hush up, gag, withhold, cover up, stifle; ban, proscribe, outlaw; sweep under the carpet

 

[Millard]

They act like Meso is the best thing since sliced bread and that all the others boards are corrupt and screwed up(and actively voice that opinion). Its an us versus them mentallity. As a result, when someone from another board comes over, if someone does not agree with their position in an argument they simply discount and invalidate their presentation solely based on the fact that they are from another board and they are a shill.

And this is why I'm glad you're here. You highlight another form of ad hominem.

 

[mands]

@Millard Baker I believe the suppression lies with @Dr JIM ignoring posts, questions and/or statements and valid ones at that from @muscle96ss. I believe that Jim and MH(Jim's naming) could have some seriously educated and meaningful discussions if Jim would look past the fact that MH comes from PM. This whole thread is a mess and muscles, myself and others are trying to get to the bottom of it.

mands

 

[brutus79]

@mands @muscle96ss you have to look at the biggest picture. Who gives a shit if jim ignores you? Take a look at the unregistered people that traffic this site. .. if I am not mistaken probably thirty thousand people come through this site on a good day; probably 10k viewing right now. Jim puts you on ignore, but the masses you hope to educate with the information you deem relevant read everything. They make their decisions based on what is said by all parties, and many could come to the conclusion that jim ignoring you means he does not want to admit failure. I don't think that's the case and I know he doesn't think that- but the point is some fucking asshole mod can't come behind and delete the posts of whoever he doesn't like. (In my experience on other boards if the mod doesn't like you then your case will not be presented in an unbiased light).

I personally think both sides are right in many aspects. Nobody is objective here and everyone is pissed at each other, yet nobody will back down. The point is that the record of these disagreements will stand unchanged for all eternity.

 

[Millard]

@Millard Baker I believe the suppression lies with @Dr JIM ignoring posts, questions and/or statements and valid ones at that from @muscle96ss. I believe that Jim and MH(Jim's naming) could have some seriously educated and meaningful discussions if Jim would look past the fact that MH comes from PM.

It's not suppression of speech.

I can read @muscle96ss 's posts. You can read his posts. So can anyone on the Internet who wants to read his posts on MESO. But not everyone is reading it. The inability to force people to read it does not equal suppression.

No one can compel @Dr JIM to respond to @muscle96ss if he doesn't want to. The choice to NOT respond is just as much a part of free speech as the choice to respond.

 

[mands]

It's not suppression of speech.

I can read @muscle96ss 's posts. You can read his posts. So can anyone on the Internet who wants to read his posts on MESO. But not everyone is reading it. The inability to force people to read it does not equal suppression.

No one can compel @Dr JIM to respond to @muscle96ss if he doesn't want to. The choice to NOT respond is just as much a part of free speech as the choice to respond.

Totally agree! That's all I got out of his post. Not that it was being swept under the rug because a mod or admin could on a Censored Board.

mands

 

[MassTurk]

@muscle96ss as one of the silent community here, I for one read all sides respectfully and with an open mind. I have a hard time believing Karl after all things had been said. I have a harder time ignoring docs ego that fuels the argument.I don't understand your persistent remarks about Karl's product possibly being legit, all others are expressing their voice and some without much worthy input. All personal attacks are just what they are personal attacks.
At the end my conclusion is only person who has the least vested interest and "16 years of post high-school ed in this field" is the person worth listening. By no means I am not considering your side of the argument, you are wishing to be made full for what you were promised. That alone I believe is a reason that effects your judgment about the debate. Like most here, my hope is with you but my mind tells me doc has the facts on his side.so the saga continues and the only person it's helping is Karl with sales.
Truth ???
Time will tell pretty soon !!!

 

[mands]

@mands @muscle96ss you have to look at the biggest picture. Who gives a shit if jim ignores you? Take a look at the unregistered people that traffic this site. .. if I am not mistaken probably thirty thousand people come through this site on a good day; probably 10k viewing right now. Jim puts you on ignore, but the masses you hope to educate with the information you deem relevant read everything. They make their decisions based on what is said by all parties, and many could come to the conclusion that jim ignoring you means he does not want to admit failure. I don't think that's the case and I know he doesn't think that- but the point is some fucking asshole mod can't come behind and delete the posts of whoever he doesn't like. (In my experience on other boards if the mod doesn't like you then your case will not be presented in an unbiased light).

I personally think both sides are right in many aspects. Nobody is objective here and everyone is pissed at each other, yet nobody will back down. The point is that the record of these disagreements will stand unchanged for all eternity.

I agree with you as well Brutus. All I was saying many here have a lot to offer including yourself. Sometimes personal feelings get in the way. Trying to redirect if possible.

If anyone wants to know that's reading I'm not pissed anymore. Just trying to get on the same team and go after the one that needs to be held accountable.

mands

 

[mands]

@MassTurk I can't answer for others that are owed kits but, I will promise you this. Me being objective in this thread about Karl producing/supplying/reselling good quality GH has nothing to do with getting paid back. I could give a shit less if I lost three kits out of the deal. If that happened then that's what it took for the community to see what type of person Karl is.

The reason I'm still in this thread is to find the answers that everyone wants to know. Can the community be supplied with better generic GH at a good price. NOT because I'm owed a few kits.

Hope this makes sense.

mands

 

[Voltrader]

Where is everybody ? Anybody from meso order Karls gh? I implore you speak up. Karl started this thread 3 months ago ....batches arrived a few weeks after that. Surely somebody we know jumped and is running this stuff. I know I almost jumped in twice but that small voice in my head stops me every time.

 

[kawilt]

Where is everybody ? Anybody from meso order Karls gh? I implore you speak up. Karl started this thread 3 months ago ....batches arrived a few weeks after that. Surely somebody we know jumped and is running this stuff. I know I almost jumped in twice but that small voice in my head stops me every time.

I'm just curious Voltrader, what exactly does "that small voice" say?

 

[Voltrader]

Too good to be true

I'm just curious Voltrader, what exactly does "that small voice" say?

 

[Western-Biotech]

Yes customers have got it, and as some here suggested they're terrorized by other members here and prefer to keep the info and opinion in the circles they feel comfortable with , I may quote PMs and mails, and Millard may confirm this,

I also begged for serum tests, especially IGF1 tests, and waiting for updates,

The new batch will be dispatched in 2-3 weeks, and we'll have more opinions as a fact.

You may check out the feedback from my customers along the thread as well

 

[Voltrader]

Yes customers have got it, and as some here suggested they're terrorized by other members here and prefer to keep the info and opinion in the circles they feel comfortable with , I may quote PMs and mails, and Millard may confirm this,

I also begged for serum tests, especially IGF1 tests, and waiting for updates,

The new batch will be dispatched in 2-3 weeks, and we'll have more opinions as a fact.

You may check out the feedback from my customers along the thread as well

No I think they are big boys and can come let us know. I am pretty sure at this point in this thread we are more then open to see these test by MESO members that we know and frequent the forum. That is whom I am interested in right now KArl .....I don't think any of those would feel like I or others would terrorize them. Time to get to the truth here.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Voltrader - I agree with u, and actually I say the same things, again I may show multiple PMs with members,

I have enough customers who expressed opinions, and they will with new batch as well,

I will talk personally again to couple of members my self,

Above all I'm interested in random honest tests

 

[Western-Biotech]

Important comment - some main orders are pending till new batch is out, this is why I stayed as silent as possible, and waiting for honest feedback on the batch to come which will represent a pharma product by all standards, I'm trying to speak behind the scenes to members and enable anonymous testings as well, and ask for cooperation, so it's important that you posted that all we want is the truth ! cause this is what we're here for.

My offer for cross testings is on the table always, I hope that you guys here will raise the glove,

I'll posts our official tests anyhow soon, unless some one want me to hold it, and offer to cooperate with cross testings

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Yes customers have got it, and as some here suggested they're terrorized by other members here and prefer to keep the info and opinion in the circles they feel comfortable with

Yeah, we're terrorists and will behead anyone who dares speak up.

I agree with u, and actually I say the same things, again I may show multiple PMs with members,

Now THAT^^^ IS terrorizing.

 

[Dr JIM]

lol

@Millard Baker I believe the suppression lies with @Dr JIM ignoring posts, questions and/or statements and valid ones at that from @muscle96ss. I believe that Jim and MH(Jim's naming) could have some seriously educated and meaningful discussions if Jim would look past the fact that MH comes from PM. This whole thread is a mess and muscles, myself and others are trying to get to the bottom of it.

mands

Look some people don't see eye to eye and never will.

I don't respect MH for a variety of reasons but primarily bc of how he entered Meso UNANNOUNCED expecting to be treated like he's someone special.

The genesis became even more apparent once he admitted his status at PM as a "founding member". And I have an "ego" problem.

Yet now I must read MH posts, or he's being censored, really. ABSOLUTELY NUTS!

Did you CHOSE to "ignore" this months edition of Ladies Home Journal?

I thought so, lol!

Well, welcome to AMERICA!

(Now if I could only find a way of "ignoring" Ks PM's, I'd be thru with this worthless thread)

 

[Western-Biotech]

I would never dare to show PM with details, never ever, if you misunderstood me I'm sorry - read my words - I may show and Millard may confirm that it's authentic

I would never reveal any detail spoken behind the scene, and trust me that I'm dead angry on some ppl here who haven't kept their word without any connection to feedback on the GH but I don't say a word, the truth will be revealed anyhow

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I also begged for serum tests, especially IGF1 tests, and waiting for updates,

You are seriously out of your mind.. People bought this product, right?? Nobody owes you anything, they already paid you!! You can't post up any of your tests yet you're begging your customers to pay MORE money out of their pockets to help you by posting their results?? Unreal..