Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Mr.Bravo]

You know what fellas mands has a point that we need to bring to the table eventually, after we run karls ass out of here.

 

[Dr JIM]

Can u please send me your list and instructions how to order ? Thanx

Better get it while you can kiddo I just ordered 25 KITS.
LMAO!!!

 

[Dr JIM]

You know what fellas mands has a point that we need to bring to the table eventually, after we run karls ass out of here.

Indeed and I'm game and more than willing to DONATE any lab services that are deemed necessary.

Not at all G Man!!! It was a serious question on how we can make resellers accountable. You really don't think they should be testing batches of gh they are receiving or their raw AAS powders?

mands

Damn right they should be! Anyone who is making money of a product being sold "in volume" should be held to the level of accountability as the producer itself.

Lets cease giving anyone an excuse for incompetency or for scamming our mates!

Give me a break! Most of these guys are making a shit load of money and I grew weary of the "poor poor pitiful me" excuse a long time ago. The fact is the overwhelming majority of re-salers KNOW EXACTLY what was sold to them and what they to will be selling!

Believing anything to the contrary, invites scammers to this FORUM, period!

Crap that's the LAST THING we need is some re-saler using the "I'm just the messenger" as a scapegoat.

Doing that INVITES deception and NONE SHOULD BE ABOVE REPROACH IMO!

JIM

 

[Dr JIM]

Well that and his GH gave people welts and lumps in their legs and he had to ''recall'' it?

Well shit I'll give credit where credit is due Karl!

I suggested a recall was the best recourse for Karl one-two weeks ago, and I'm delighted he eventually realized it was the the right decision for ALL involved.

K you come back to Meso with a solid product wo side effects or some other medical enigma, I'll support it I promise, (providing the YOUR biologic and chemical assays, those of an independent labs, AND my tests confirm it's legitimacy) BUT lets make sure it's GTG or this process will be unnecessarily repeated, I promise that also

Know lets not misconstrue this post to mean I support YOU or your "company" bc nothing is further from the truth. Which bring me to why I've NOT vouched for you at ALL, your an incessant liar, and let's not even go there again on your next GH intro!

JIM

 

[Dr JIM]

When I say "support" I mean from an analytical perspective ONLY, providing the THREE proviso's I mentioned are adhered to.

I am in no way suggesting I will endorse yours or any other products short or long term quality based on three lab tests. Why, because the fact is UGL product quality is notorious for being inconsistent at best, regardless of "their history" and unfortunately GETM was one fine (pathetic) example of what I'm referring to.

 

[old bro]

By far some of the best stuff youve wrote DR.Jim.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Bravo (and Dr Jim) - I said ~ 3 weeks ago that I'll sure do AA seq on last batch, I applied to independent lab with local FDA license, 2 issues rose -

- they offered a test which confirm terminal 10 AA seq - this is the old model at USP, while the doc demanded full AA

- the doc said in a post the obvious - say that I post such test who says I didn't manipulate it, and simply submitted lets say a pharma product i got in the pharmacy for instance.

As I take seriously your claims, or at least try to I consulted with my team and here again is their complete reply -

The test is:
Enzyme digest peptide mapping by LC-MS:
-Digest of the protein (by trypsin)- provides peptides
-Separation of the peptides by RP-HPLC
-On-line detection of the RP-HPLC using mass spectrometer (the method is
designated as LC-MS)
-Analysis of the data

The method enables:
1. Full length amino acid sequence (including N-terminus and C-terminus)
2. S-S bonds between Cystein residues in the molecule
3. Free S-H (free cystein residues)

N-terminal amino acid sequence by EDMAN Degradation is the method still in
use in many registered products. However, the LC-MS is more reliable
method, and thus, recommended for new products (recently I attended
meetings with German MOH and Israeli MOH).
EDMAN degradation method is still available as a service. If you insist

 

[Western-Biotech]

Now - In purpose I offered to make cross tests - I hope I use the right term - for the new batch, which on it from scratch this test will be applied. my idea was to get some random samples from orders so u may test on your side, and submit for instance to Millard the tests, while I'll do this from my side and also submit to him, and then we may compare and confirm, we may do so on a regular basis to test my team's QA measures.

But of course u guys r impotent fuckers, and despite this is the only way I may think of to test me, and despite that I offered it openly and in PMs to members among them Dr Jim, all I got was "FUCK YOU".

So I'll submit my tests inl' full AA seq soon, and afterward u may all test and confirm

If u have any better ideas I'll cooperate.

If u talk with any of my customers you'll confirm that the feedback is superb, so we may agree that at least I "rebottle" high quality

Lets do something productive instead of posting BS

 

[mands]

Sounds to me like you are trying to deflect away from Karl's issues and his multi-million dollar super-duper gh lab. Since we all know, lol, that Karl is not a reseller but an actual manufacturer of the Heisenberg GH I think we should just stay on topic. Seriously though, I still find it amazing that even one single person could believe his story of investing millions to produce R&D gh. Sorry to say, but Karl's story is never gonna fly. There will always be us non-believers who will make it impossible for Karl to spread his wings here.

This needs to be addressed. If not here then in another thread perhaps?

mands

 

[Flounder]

This needs to be addressed. If not here then in another thread perhaps?

mands

Mands, I agree with you on this. A new thread would be the best way to address it, since you suggested a topic which certainly should be looked at.

 

[graniteman]

Bravo (and Dr Jim) - I said ~ 3 weeks ago that I'll sure do AA seq on last batch, I applied to independent lab with local FDA license, 2 issues rose -

- they offered a test which confirm terminal 10 AA seq - this is the old model at USP, while the doc demanded full AA

- the doc said in a post the obvious - say that I post such test who says I didn't manipulate it, and simply submitted lets say a pharma product i got in the pharmacy for instance.

As I take seriously your claims, or at least try to I consulted with my team and here again is their complete reply -

The test is:
Enzyme digest peptide mapping by LC-MS:
-Digest of the protein (by trypsin)- provides peptides
-Separation of the peptides by RP-HPLC
-On-line detection of the RP-HPLC using mass spectrometer (the method is
designated as LC-MS)
-Analysis of the data

The method enables:
1. Full length amino acid sequence (including N-terminus and C-terminus)
2. S-S bonds between Cystein residues in the molecule
3. Free S-H (free cystein residues)

N-terminal amino acid sequence by EDMAN Degradation is the method still in
use in many registered products. However, the LC-MS is more reliable
method, and thus, recommended for new products (recently I attended
meetings with German MOH and Israeli MOH).
EDMAN degradation method is still available as a service. If you insist

While it's nice to see you've made use of your search engines you DO realize the importance of what Jim said?

These tests can only work IF YOU SUBMIT your tests 1st, complete. There is a simple reason for this

 

[Western-Biotech]

Granit - If you may associate between the reply of my professor to anything posted on the net pls show me

If u have any doubts, same as the doc, regarding any detail pls just ask.

I submitted our first set of tests which proved to be accurate by an independent test, and said I will submit this new test soon, I appreciate your patient and attention

 

[regular]

Without a doubt, I think unnecessary personal attacks and bullying behavior will have the undesirable effect of deterring some members from posting. Calling everyone a scammer or shill doesn't really lead to much progress and devalues the meaning of those words.

But I think the animus toward the MESO forum and the uncensored nature of it is misplaced.

It is the very nature of an uncensored forum to allow transparent and constructive criticism of such behavior such that it is self-correcting to a certain extent.

The irony is that while @muscle96ss (and others like @regular) are criticizing MESO, it is their open criticism that is proof that the uncensored forum is working. Their criticism (and freedom to do so) has an impact, will cause the community to reflect on the behavior and will no doubt make MESO a better place.

For this reason, I welcome the criticism and am glad to see them here.

Millard, I've got nothing against you and I think you're a good guy. I just felt like you were giving me a ration of shit about infringing on free speech when I'm criticizing someone for making things up or embellishing.

 

[ironwill1951]

cmon guys you keep talking running tests for over 100 pages, when what you should have
done is laughed at him and ended it when he said he put millions in a lab that can produce pharma grade hgh , if he indeed did have such a lab that could produce that quality hgh he would be spending his time selling it to the medical community for $2500 a kit like the other labs that do actually produce real hgh..

 

[ironwill1951]

hi is a idiot to think anyone would but his crap..

 

[Dr JIM]

hi is a idiot to think anyone would but his crap..

Here let me to rephrase your comments the Karl way.

Ok now bc I knew my product was at least 10-15 times better than that Chinese stuff with a purity of no more than TEN PERCENT, my product must have a purity of close to (and probably well over) 100%, and since we all know I'm an honest businessman all on Meso agree to that!

 

[muscle96ss]

Here let me to rephrase your comments the Karl way.

Ok now bc I knew my product was at least 10-15 times better than that Chinese stuff with a purity of no more than TEN PERCENT, my product must have a purity of close to (and probably well over) 100%, and since we all know I'm an honest businessman all on Meso agree to that!

Thanks doc, that was really relevant and useful, thanks for your contribution!!

 

[Western-Biotech]

Another serum test as for today - posted on a major forum - you may get a link from me in person

"
just got my serum test back today on the new batch.

3hrs post fasting and injection:

Growth Hormone, Serum 22.7 High ng/mL

looks good

"

 

[lightspan]

I take a month off of Meso, and much to my shock and amazement, i return to find this all blew up. Hmmmm (stroking my chin).

 

[Western-Biotech]

Comment - the serum test was done on 2nd batch

I agree with anyone that I should post the promised tests, and I will, I said and say again that we posted our set of test for the first 2 batches, for any further test I will post valid tests on the batch to come when ready, I can't make up tests, and I want to prove a new set of tests on this batch, which most of the orders from now will come from so you may all test compare and confirm