What did you inject today?

[PaintDrinker]

how much carbs u eatn?

800-1100 I'm up to 230

 

[RekTest]

Today was…
250mg test C
100mg Tren A
14iu hgh
25mg t4
Half adex


@PaintDrinker
How do you like slin? Worth the hassle ?
Deciding about adding it to my next bulk
Which would be
High test
High NPP
Vial HGH a day
Plan would be to run that until my bloods are too bad or I hit my 6 month mark and have to drop back down for trt bloods

My last bulk was 200mg test c, 700mg npp and 4iu hgh

 

[PaintDrinker]

Today was…
250mg test C
100mg Tren A
14iu hgh
25mg t4
Half adex


@PaintDrinker
How do you like slin? Worth the hassle ?
Deciding about adding it to my next bulk
Which would be
High test
High NPP
Vial HGH a day
Plan would be to run that until my bloods are too bad or I hit my 6 month mark and have to drop back down for trt bloods

My last bulk was 200mg test c, 700mg npp and 4iu hgh

It makes a difference but time and place. Prob won't need it if you're not running at least 10iu gh and eating 700+ carbs

 

[RekTest]

It makes a difference but time and place. Prob won't need it if you're not running at least 10iu gh and eating 700+ carbs

I would be on 14iu hgh, would I only add it to assist getting food down if I cant eat enough ?

I could add more HGH…

My goal is 240 lean

 

[PaintDrinker]

I would be on 14iu hgh, would I only add it to assist getting food down if I cant eat enough ?

I could add more HGH…

My goal is 240 lean

The golden rule in bodybuilding is run as much GH as you can for as long as you can. I mean if you're tryna get huge without getting fat. It really does make a difference running it high. But it will give you diabetes if you're not careful. Cardio everyday and a basal insulin. Plus AAS/GH/Slin will make you look like an absolute fucking freak if diet and training are on point.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

The golden rule in bodybuilding is run as much GH as you can for as long as you can. I mean if you're tryna get huge without getting fat. It really does make a difference running it high. But it will give you diabetes if you're not careful. Cardio everyday and a basal insulin. Plus AAS/GH/Slin will make you look like an absolute fucking freak if diet and training are on point.

I’m not trying to nit pick man, just feel this is worth calling out to differentiate for any onlookers.

Using any amount of exogenous insulin alongside GH only compounds the insulin resistance issue that occurs with GH use.

Basal insulin certainly has its place to help control blood sugars, especially on a bulk with high GH. But dont think you’re “solving the problem” by using lantus to keep BG in check. You’re just making yourself more insulin resistant.

However, way better to control BG than let it run rampant, IMO. And then you also have the added benefit of higher IGF1 due to lantus, and all the physique benefits that come with that.

 

[PaintDrinker]

I’m not trying to nit pick man, just feel this is worth calling out to differentiate for any onlookers.

Short term added insulin resistance sure, long term giving the pancreas break will keep you metabolically healthier down the line when we grow up and decide to stop blasting gear. The pancreas was never really meant to eat 1k carbs day after day, year after year. The human body wasn't meant to be lean at 230-280. You're not wrong but what I'm saying is it's almost necessary when running gh high long term and eating no added fats.

 

[PaintDrinker]

Also if your BG is constantly elevated you're just going to end up getting fat as shit, tired all the time can't use the fuel you're eating. But again it takes a baseline level of intelligence to use insulin. I feel as tho some guys shouldn't be self administering anything except maybe food lol

 

[RekTest]

The golden rule in bodybuilding is run as much GH as you can for as long as you can. I mean if you're tryna get huge without getting fat. It really does make a difference running it high. But it will give you diabetes if you're not careful. Cardio everyday and a basal insulin. Plus AAS/GH/Slin will make you look like an absolute fucking freak if diet and training are on point.

Do you mind if I pm you for a little assistance when I am primed and ready for the bulk?
Im not ending the cut until I have bottom abs

 

[PaintDrinker]

Do you mind if I pm you for a little assistance when I am primed and ready for the bulk?
Im not ending the cut until I have bottom abs

Dms are always open. Catch me in a good mood and I'll show you my face

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Also if your BG is constantly elevated you're just going to end up getting fat as shit, tired all the time can't use the fuel you're eating. But again it takes a baseline level of intelligence to use insulin. I feel as tho some guys shouldn't be self administering anything except maybe food lol

How do you get fat as shit if you can't use the fuel you're eating?

 

[PaintDrinker]

How do you get fat as shit if you can't use the fuel you're eating?

If you're not shuttling nutrients into the muscle they're getting stored as fat.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Short term added insulin resistance sure, long term giving the pancreas break will keep you metabolically healthier down the line when we grow up and decide to stop blasting gear. The pancreas was never really meant to eat 1k carbs day after day, year after year. The human body wasn't meant to be lean at 230-280. You're not wrong but what I'm saying is it's almost necessary when running gh high long term and eating no added fats.

How do you become metabolically healthier by putting your body into a further higher insulin state?

I'm not disagreeing with the use of lantus in bodybuilding. It certainly has it's application. GH isn't going to give you diabetes if you're able to control your BG, especially without insulin. My commentary is about folks who legitimately believe that using lantus SOLVES their BG problem. They exist, quite a few of them.

 

[Eddie.]

Problem i see with insulin is people using too much, too often and for long periods of time. I think it's more of a necessary evil tool than an actual "enhancer". Me personally i doubt i'll use it if i haven't done what i possibly can with minicuts and all the various GDA's to control BG first.

Some people think it's cumbersome to pin gear every day, or GH everyday..Hell, it would miserable for me to measure BG 6-8 times a day to manage my units. For me insulin is something like "final boss" lol

 

[Trenbolonetax]

If you're not shuttling nutrients into the muscle they're getting stored as fat.

Does insulin only shuttle nutrients selectively into the muscle?

 

[PaintDrinker]

How do you become metabolically healthier by putting your body into a further higher insulin state?

I'm not disagreeing with the use of lantus in bodybuilding. It certainly has it's application. GH isn't going to give you diabetes if you're able to control your BG, especially without insulin. My commentary is about folks who legitimately believe that using lantus SOLVES their BG problem. They exist, quite a few of them.

Let's try to keep this thread to what we're injecting ourselves with lol, but when I'm off the road I'll respond to this properly. Just curious are you currently running tren or more of the disagreeable personality type? I don't mean this in a negative way either just curious.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Let's try to keep this thread to what we're injecting ourselves with lol, but when I'm off the road I'll respond to this properly. Just curious are you currently running tren or more of the disagreeable personality type? I don't mean this in a negative way either just curious.

Sounds good man. Nothing like that at all.

I think insulin is pretty misunderstood in general, and I'm asking the questions I am because I think there is a breakdown in reasoning occurring.

I promise you I'm not trying to be a dick. Was trying to use the Socratic method.

When you said "you'll get fat as shit with high BG and can't use the fuel you're eating," it's a bit contradictory. You can't get fat as shit if you can't use the fuel you're eating. Look at any type 1 who has high blood glucose; they get skinny as fuck because fuel can't make it into cells.

Another place I suppose the breakdown occurs for me, is I'm pretty lean at 275ish, have run up to 27iu GH per day, and my A1C always comes back less than 5.2 at it's worst. I've never needed to use lantus, and never have. But I also don't eat your typical 1000g carb body building diet, so I understand that folks who are shoveling that many carbs on that much GH, are going to need exogenous insulin help.

None of my commentary is disputing the benefit of using lantus in BBing; it stems from the assertion that GH will give you diabetes. Type 2 diabetes is diagnosed by BG levels over certain threshold, however, the root cause driver of type 2 diabetes is just simply insulin resistance, which all forms of exogenous insulin make worse.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Problem i see with insulin is people using too much, too often and for long periods of time. I think it's more of a necessary evil tool than an actual "enhancer". Me personally i doubt i'll use it if i haven't done what i possibly can with minicuts and all the various GDA's to control BG first.

Some people think it's cumbersome to pin gear every day, or GH everyday..Hell, it would miserable for me to measure BG 6-8 times a day to manage my units. For me insulin is something like "final boss" lol

Agreed whole heartedly with "necessary evil". My wife is type 1, and I've got a front row seat. She's got a CGM so makes things easier. But yeah, no thank you lol.

 

[PaintDrinker]

Quick answer parked to get gas. Using any exogenous insulin will make you more insulin resistant that's 100% correct. But theres an accepted theory that the beta cells in the pancreas can only function properly for so long and as you age these cells become less effective. If you're pushing carbs hard for 5,10,15 years you're going to burn the pancreas out. By supplementing with exogenous insulin during our youth we give them a break. Down the line at some point the bodybuilding has to stop. You either die, get sick of it, have a major health crisis, or just move on with life. Giving the beta cells a break will help with insulin sensitivity down the line when you decide to live a regular life.

To the second point when the pancreas can't produce enough insulin to compensate for the elevated blood sugar, the excess sugar will be stored as fat.

For gen pop insulin isn't selective to what's it's doing. But when AAS are involved it's very selective. Steroids are turning on genes that are going to drive nutrients to the muscle before storing fat and the partitioning effect can be greater or lesser depending on the compound.

I probably missed something, it's been a long day. Back to our injection protocols lol

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Quick answer parked to get gas. Using any exogenous insulin will make you more insulin resistant that's 100% correct. But theres an accepted theory that the beta cells in the pancreas can only function properly for so long and as you age these cells become less effective. If you're pushing carbs hard for 5,10,15 years you're going to burn the pancreas out. By supplementing with exogenous insulin during our youth we give them a break. Down the line at some point the bodybuilding has to stop. You either die, get sick of it, have a major health crisis, or just move on with life. Giving the beta cells a break will help with insulin sensitivity down the line when you decide to live a regular life.

To the second point when the pancreas can't produce enough insulin to compensate for the elevated blood sugar, the excess sugar will be stored as fat.

For gen pop insulin isn't selective to what's it's doing. But when AAS are involved it's very selective. Steroids are turning on genes that are going to drive nutrients to the muscle before storing fat and the partitioning effect can be greater or lesser depending on the compound.

I probably missed something, it's been a long day. Back to our injection protocols lol

The only thing I really disagree with that you just said is the second point. In the absence of insulin, you cannot put on weight; muscle or fat. This is evidenced by any type 1 diabetic who wants to drop weight QUICK. Just stop taking the appropriate amount of insulin and let BG run high. It's that simple.

I'll qualify your statement regarding insulin selectivity. AAS improves nutrient partitioning in general, yes. However, insulin is a non selective storage / shuttling hormone. Without the presence of AAS, hyperinsulinemia is pretty damn obesogenic because it just shuttles and stuffs wherever "there is room" - if there isn't room, it creates it via excess adiposity.