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[Mr.B66]

People that have zero understanding of basic economics, and think raising the minimum wage is the solution.

I agree!! Multi billion dollar corporations could easily pay their worker a fair and living wage. They then could buy cars , houses, appliances ect..... Thus stimulating the economy.
But big corp is greedy and could care less that the people who serve their burgers and clean their yards and sell their cheap merchandise from china, have to work two jobs to survive while they cruise around on their yachts.

 

[Fckit]

I agree!! Multi billion dollar corporations could easily pay their worker a fair and living wage. They then could buy cars , houses, appliances ect..... Thus stimulating the economy.
But big corp is greedy and could care less that the people who serve their burgers and clean their yards and sell their cheap merchandise from china, have to work two jobs to survive while they cruise around on their yachts.

History is not on your side my friend. Statistics show raising the minimum wage actually make the poor poorer. Crony capitalism, corporate greed? ABSOLUTELY. Both sides of the Isle in our government have been engulfed in corporate kickbacks, etc. But that has nothing to do with raising the minimum wage.

Minimum wage laws – while advertised under the banner of social justice – do not live up to the claims made by those who tout them. They do not lift low wage earners to a so-called “social minimum”. Rather, minimum wage laws tend to push a considerable number of people into unemployment. And, unless those newly unemployed qualify for government assistance, they will sink below, or further below, the social minimum. In essence, you're improving quality of life for a few (perhaps), while at the same time increasing unemployment.

Also, keep in mind if wages become too high for a business to efficiently hire employees, they will turn to other means. See what mcdonalds is already doing in Europe with robotics. After that happens, then what?

 

[Mr.B66]

History is not on your side my friend. Statistics show raising the minimum wage actually make the poor poorer. Crony capitalism, corporate greed? ABSOLUTELY. Both sides of the Isle in our government have been engulfed in corporate kickbacks, etc. But that has nothing to do with raising the minimum wage.

Minimum wage laws – while advertised under the banner of social justice – do not live up to the claims made by those who tout them. They do not lift low wage earners to a so-called “social minimum”. Rather, minimum wage laws tend to push a considerable number of people into unemployment. And, unless those newly unemployed qualify for government assistance, they will sink below, or further below, the social minimum. In essence, you're improving quality of life for a few (perhaps), while at the same time increasing unemployment.

Well then ill agree to disagree!! I dont see how a multi billion dollar corp sharing a little more of their profits with the very people who's hard work provide them with a ridiculously lavish lifestyle is in anyway gonna cost people jobs.
Trust me when i tell you a person who makes a hundred million or more a year would still be just fine with say 80 million a year.
But that 20 mill he shares with his workers would have a huge impact on their lives!!!!

 

[Fckit]

Well then ill agree to disagree!! I dont see how a multi billion dollar corp sharing a little more of their profits with the very people who's hard work provide them with a ridiculously lavish lifestyle is in anyway gonna cost people jobs.
Trust me when i tell you a person who makes a hundred million or more a year would still be just fine with say 80 million a year.
But that 20 mill he shares with his workers would have a huge impact on their lives!!!!

I commend you for thinking with your heart, but that's not the way a business works. Just as a simple example, Lets say you jump to middle management at your work. The underskilled employees below you go on strike demanding your same pay. What is your incentive for having more responsibility at the same wage rate? What is the incentive to improve your position?

Second, it's simple supply and demand. The market dictates wages, not the employer. There are people willing to do that work at a lesser wage. When the government plays God and tells a business what they have to pay, there are consequences. In this scenario, unemployment increases. So do you care more about the people getting paid more, or the ones that are now out of work?

If you start up your own business and become hugely successful, congratulations on your success. We're guaranteed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Government shouldn't be involved in telling people how to run their business or what they should be "capped at" regarding their wages. Remember, these same people you are dissimg are the same ones employing millions of Americans! If you're a socialist, I understand. However, free market capitalism is tried and true.

 

[OdieM]

Getting pulled over for a tail light out when I just had my truck inspected yesterday and they PASSED it. WTF

 

[TyroneMoreGains]

So you want to reduce the labor force to create higher wages for remaining employees? Keep in mind our labor participation rate now shows around 93 million people out of work or not looking for a job. We already have a massive surplus of available work force. If that's your solution, here's the problem. The businesses must now suffer because they have less people performing a larger % of work. In addition, the economy takes another hit because loss of jobs. Where do these unemployed now draw income? *hint: government assistance*

Second, let's walk through this. The employer is forced to pay more with an increase of minimum wage. Who do you think that overhead cost is passed to? You think the business just eats it? It forces a market correction where cost of goods also increases.

A minimum wage law is, in reality, a law that makes it illegal for an employer to hire a person with limited skills.

I was agreeing with you

I made that statement as a joke.

it did stir a lot of thing though

 

[Fckit]

I was agreeing with you

I made that statement as a joke.

it did stir a lot of thing though

Haha Dammit dude... You made me go into political rant mode for nothing? Dick move TMG... Dick move...

 

[Mr.B66]

I commend you for thinking with your heart, but that's not the way a business works. Just as a simple example, Lets say you jump to middle management at your work. The underskilled employees below you go on strike demanding your same pay. What is your incentive for having more responsibility at the same wage rate? What is the incentive to improve your position?

Second, it's simple supply and demand. The market dictates wages, not the employer. There are people willing to do that work at a lesser wage. When the government plays God and tells a business what they have to pay, there are consequences. In this scenario, unemployment increases. So do you care more about the people getting paid more, or the ones that are now out of work?

If you start up your own business and become hugely successful, congratulations on your success. We're guaranteed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Government shouldn't be involved in telling people how to run their business or what they should be "capped at" regarding their wages. Remember, these same people you are dissimg are the same ones employing millions of Americans! If you're a socialist, I understand. However, free market capitalism is tried and true.

I am in no way shape or form a socialist, what i am is a business owner that has been successful beyond my wildest dreams and one reason for my success over the years is the fact that i was lucky enough to find motivated and hard working people. And as a way to show my appreciation for what they bring to work everyday i pay them very well.
Sure i could have made more money if i paid my workers less but i believe a well paid worker is gonna give his heart and soul to his job and a guy thats paid pennys generally in my experience is a clock watcher.
I know this is not what this thread is about so im done, maybe we can resume this at another time [emoji4]

 

[Fckit]

I am in no way shape or form a socialist, what i am is a business owner that has been successful beyond my wildest dreams and one reason for my success over the years is the fact that i was lucky enough to find motivated and hard working people. And as a way to show my appreciation for what they bring to work everyday i pay them very well.
Sure i could have made more money if i paid my workers less but i believe a well paid worker is gonna give his heart and soul to his job and a guy thats paid pennys generally in my experience is a clock watcher.
I know this is not what this thread is about so im done, maybe we can resume this at another time [emoji4]

I was hoping you wouldn't respond. If we need to continue, let's head over to political discourse.

Without knowing your type of business, I would venture to assume it is not the same structure as a fast food chain. I respect your position, but when you have thousands of employees at various skill levels, they are compensated per their skill level. Therefore, if the market dictates you can pay a certain wage for a certain position, you pay that wage. I'll further assume you are not set up as a corporation with shareholders. The primary purpose of any corporation is to maximize shareholder value. Therefore, comparing your small business to the point of our discussion is apples to oranges. I appreciate your position, but when multiple owners are involved, profit is #1 bottom line.

Even though you are generous with your employees, you have a certain equilibrium with your income statement. You know how much you need to make vs your overhead. How would you like if the government came in and dictated your wages and compensation? If you're honest, you wouldn't like that. You may not consider it the same, but it's identical to my point. The MARKET dictates how much a CEO makes. If a business cuts that CEO salary in order to raise min wage, he goes to the competition. Simple as that.

Look at the multiple businesses (many of which supported a min wage increase) in Seattle that have now gone out of business because the increased wages crushed them. You can't allow government to involve themselves in the free market. It's a doomed situation everytime. What business has the government ran successfully? Medicare? Solyndra? USPS? Social Security? There's no grey area, you're either free market or not

 

[Mr.B66]

I was hoping you wouldn't respond. If we need to continue, let's head over to political discourse.

Without knowing your type of business, I would venture to assume it is not the same structure as a fast food chain. I respect your position, but when you have thousands of employees at various skill levels, they are compensated per their skill level. Therefore, if the market dictates you can pay a certain wage for a certain position, you pay that wage. I'll further assume you are not set up as a corporation with shareholders. The primary purpose of any corporation is to maximize shareholder value. Therefore, comparing your small business to the point of our discussion is apples to oranges. I appreciate your position, but when multiple owners are involved, profit is #1 bottom line.

Even though you are generous with your employees, you have a certain equilibrium with your income statement. You know how much you need to make vs your overhead. How would you like if the government came in and dictated your wages and compensation? If you're honest, you wouldn't like that. You may not consider it the same, but it's identical to my point. The MARKET dictates how much a CEO makes. If a business cuts that CEO salary in order to raise min wage, he goes to the competition. Simple as that.

Look at the multiple businesses (many of which supported a min wage increase) in Seattle that have now gone out of business because the increased wages crushed them. You can't allow government to involve themselves in the free market. It's a doomed situation everytime. What business has the government ran successfully? Medicare? Solyndra? USPS? Social Security? There's no grey are, you're either free market or not

I agree with what you say about the govmnt i wasn't saying that i think they should be in our business in fact i believe we need a lot less govnmt in our lives. And the examples you give on medicare, solyndra ect ... I have spoken those same words many times.
Anyway we just disagree and you know what? Thats ok i believe in free speech and free thinking so i have no beef with you, in fact i say fuck it[emoji6]have a great evening my friend!!!!

 

[MindlessWork]

@Fckit, you sometimes make way too much sense brother and you should have run for office

 

[Ozzy619]

@Fckit, you sometimes make way too much sense brother and you should have run for office

I think alot of us here share the same political ideals, I learn alot from some of these guys.

 

[alexgt149]

I hate the guy in my fukn gym that walks around like a fuk tart trying to show everyone He's on gear but trains like a bitch
Fuk that pisses me off

 

[fightingfires]

There is one stinking machine at the gym that uses a 5/16" dia pin on its weight stack. Its an oddball size......you think the dumb fucks would just leave it alone? No someone keeps stealing the pin.
So what do I do??? I make a 5/16" pin and keep it with me in my gear....some shit sees me pull it out and use it and has the balls to say I stole it. Only thing was....I repair some of the machines for the owner so I told him to fuck off and take it up with the owner. Never heard another peep about it

 

[antipcman]

Being on a flight stuck next to a fat bitch with psoriasis.

 

[Ozzy619]

Being on a flight stuck next to a fat bitch with psoriasis.

When she scratches that shit just pretend youre at home on christmas playing in the snow

 

[OdieM]

When my ex used to tell me to go deeper and I would think "damn that's all I got". Damn whore. Lol

 

[Fckit]

When my ex used to tell me to go deeper and I would think "damn that's all I got". Damn whore. Lol

Bahahahahaha! I used to bang a chick that would say "beat that pussy up!" over and over. It would throw me off my game so fucking bad

 

[Maxlass]

When my ex used to tell me to go deeper and I would think "damn that's all I got". Damn whore. Lol

The story of my life. Always running out of dick

 

[FuriousWO]

I really don't like chicks to talk too dirty in bed.