Im looking for a serious answer. But being a slight dick in the process
I know you leaf eaters can tell me how its done
I wanna know
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I know you leaf eaters can tell me how its done
I wanna know
Morefyah
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Good question trukk.
There are 7 veg proteins that are complete on there own. Its when you combine veg proteins together and that number jumps substantially. Your question has to many variables. It depends on what your goals are.
How low carb are you talking and for what size person. If were taking about the regular joe it's going to be difficult. If your talking about us AAS users it would be much easier with the gear doing its magic of nutrient partitioning at a super physiological level.
As for the gorilla yes genetics are first and foremost. There still getting protein but they need to eat ungodly amounts of leaves, fruits and insects to reach there nutritional needs.
And gorillas don't eat grains and get most of there carbs in fruit. No carbs = no energy
That's why they sleep and rest so much.
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Thats my point. Most sources for proteins in a vegans diet are also carbohydrates. How do you take carbs out and still get adequate protein?
Cuz remember, a big reason WHY they go vegan is health reasons...so that would rule out supplementing with processed proteins to accomplish the above
Or is it really not about health at all...
Cuz remember, a big reason WHY they go vegan is health reasons...so that would rule out supplementing with processed proteins to accomplish the above
Or is it really not about health at all...
johntt44
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I guarantee there's as much fecal matter in store bought veggies too. Manure,pesticides, fertilizers, etc. Weren't you recently doing a tren cycle? That's less tren for the poor cows. At what age should I have scared my kids out of eating meat? After age 12, it wouldn't have affected them anyway. They're too pragmatic for that. I have no problem with vegans, you be you.
johntt44
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Herbivores have more molars in their mouth and CANNOT digest meat. We are not like elephants,rhinos, horses, and cows. I also hate that old fallacy about undigested meat sitting in your intestines. If it's sitting there you have something wrong with you. Meat is fat and protein, we are perfectly capable of digesting it! Speaking of genetics, that is what will determine your life expectancy. Tweaking your diet might or might not add a few years. Most people who live a long time don't overeat. Everything in moderation, even meat.
I think they have low carb plant protein powder. That would mean they would have to live off shakes to do low carb.
The more important part is its processed.
A lot of those plant protein powder supplements have a lot of sodium. I think all that sodium could add up fast. If you have high blood pressure and looking to be a vegan bodybuilder that might not help you.
johntt44
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"Processed meats caused a 19% increase in diabetes risk. Unprocessed red meat(beef,pork,lamb) had no increase in risk". Most people who eat high fat diets generally eat like shit though.
johntt44
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Looks like guacamole which is vegan friendly! J/k
ThatYoungGuy
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okay..
Carbs don't make you fat first of all so I don't know why you would take those out of your diet, fat makes you fat... simple as that. The healthiest people in the world have a diet consisting of and I quote "Overall, the diet of these centenarians derives 85% of calories from carbohydrate, 9% from protein, and 6% from fat." and they aren't fat or unhealthy ? So tell me again how carbs make you fat? Sugars are processed differently when it comes from a plant source than your processed and refined sugars... there are more factors. Complex carbs like fruits are extremely healthy and will not make you fat..
johntt44
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Excess calories make you fat, period. Too much fat,carbs, or protein can make you fat. I tried keto and it worked because I was eating at a deficit. I was eating at a deficit because I actually didn't feel hungry. If I eat carbs and cut out fat the same thing would happen.10000 calories a day of fruit wouldn't make you fat? Yes it would.
ThatYoungGuy
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That's true unprocessed meats are better for you but you aren't taking into account cholesterol and saturated fats as such. The problem is people eat too much meat.
ThatYoungGuy
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Well of course, but keto diets are typically unhealthy you need carbs to be healthy. Here's a video explains why carbs are good
ThatYoungGuy
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We're all entitled to our own opinions and I respect your guys and seeing your side of things, just hope anything i bring to the table can help you and anything you guys bring to the table can help me.
Dont ever remember mentioning fat or carbs making you fat...?
So much to break down here...
Its a simple caloric issue. In a common lifters diet you have meat, carbs and fat. A common strategy to cut is to slightly raise protein intake by way of meat and take away carbs and keep fats moderate. Maybe down to 50g a day of carbs which is slightly more than a serving of oatmeal. The reason WHY carbs are cut is because their very energy dense. Carbs do not build muscle. Protein does. Carbs supply energy. Carbs are an efficient source of energy for a explosive activities. Fats are also a source for energy. But unfortunately they are slower broken down and do not provide the release we as lifters need. Example? The high protein, moderate fat, low carb diet. Ive had great success with this style of diet. Its been used by industry professionals since as far back as Vince Gironda. Thats the other thing...fats DO NOT make you fat. An example of a high protein, moderate fat diet where fats replace carbs as the energy source? Steak and whole eggs. I did the steak and eggs diet and lost 14 lbs over a short period. It works. Good for getting you shredded.
Fat is GOOD for a lifter. A diet rich in fat isnt so great for the average sedentary human because they are not going thru the rigors of training. Still...fat is important in any diet regardlees. Fats like real butter, fats in a steak, fats in whole eggs, fats in whole milk, fats in peanut butter, olive oil etc etc. Its simply a caloric issue. Thats it...nothing more nothing less. Infact get this...HUMANS DO NOT NEED CARBOHYDRATES!!! They are non life essential! Protein is essential. Fats can replace carbs as energy. Hell protein can be broken down as a source of energy! A real shitty one but possible nonetheless. Which STILL places carbs as non life essential(especially during a cut). Thats why there the first to go during a prepatory phase.
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I like how they said a dr. Was during cancer by feeding people a rice and sugar diet.
I liked how they implied casein protein is poison.
I like how they say milk is for baby cows to turn into grown cows. As if the cows drink milk through out there lives.
I like how everyone who was telling some positive story about how vegan changed their lives for the better seemed to have some filter over it and the colors looked brighter on screen.
I like how they use teeth to point out we should be eating veggies, neglecting the fact that humans have been using fire early in our evolution and fire obviously will change how meat will be digested, compared to you know a wolf eating raw meat.
I like how they talk about fruits and veggies as if they had refrigerated trucks and trains to be able to ship fruits and veggies to places where fruits and veggies can't grow Or only grow I certain season
early in human evolution
Being a vegan is fine. But come on. If I go around saying eating all meat diet cures every disease people will stop taking me serious too
I liked how they implied casein protein is poison.
I like how they say milk is for baby cows to turn into grown cows. As if the cows drink milk through out there lives.
I like how everyone who was telling some positive story about how vegan changed their lives for the better seemed to have some filter over it and the colors looked brighter on screen.
I like how they use teeth to point out we should be eating veggies, neglecting the fact that humans have been using fire early in our evolution and fire obviously will change how meat will be digested, compared to you know a wolf eating raw meat.
I like how they talk about fruits and veggies as if they had refrigerated trucks and trains to be able to ship fruits and veggies to places where fruits and veggies can't grow Or only grow I certain season
early in human evolution
Being a vegan is fine. But come on. If I go around saying eating all meat diet cures every disease people will stop taking me serious too
Some vegan stuff i like. Found out i like Lentils! There nutritionally packed. Great food for building muscle and can be pretty much substituted for any dish youd normally have rice with. Wouldnt suprise me if i was exposed to more vegan foods i would maybe like them?
But in the end theres 2 MAJOR reasons why i would never switch
1) meat is so goddam good. Its an awesome pleasure. Not talking about bland chicken breast. How bout a nice seared steak or fried chicken or fucking bacon or sausage or seasoned pork or a crockpot roast. Forgettaboutit!!!!
2) you gotta go way outta your way to be a lifter and be a vegan. Foods are not easily found on the fly and contain less protein per any combination than just say a plain 8oz chicken breast or hamburger. Which can be found just about anywhere. Youd have to get real creative to meet your everyday protein needs.
But in the end theres 2 MAJOR reasons why i would never switch
1) meat is so goddam good. Its an awesome pleasure. Not talking about bland chicken breast. How bout a nice seared steak or fried chicken or fucking bacon or sausage or seasoned pork or a crockpot roast. Forgettaboutit!!!!
2) you gotta go way outta your way to be a lifter and be a vegan. Foods are not easily found on the fly and contain less protein per any combination than just say a plain 8oz chicken breast or hamburger. Which can be found just about anywhere. Youd have to get real creative to meet your everyday protein needs.
Never knew that about bulls. Cool!
