what we've done for iraq so far

[ren]

This is a letter from Ray Reynolds, a medic in the Iowa Army National Guard, serving in Iraq:


As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in Iraq, I wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media. They have done a very poor job of covering everything that has happened. I am sorry that I have not been able to visit all of you during my two week leave back home. And just so you can rest at night knowing something is happening in Iraq that is noteworthy, I thought I would pass this on to you. This is the list of things that has happened in Iraq recently: (Please share it with your friends and compare it to the version that your paper is producing.)

* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations.
* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of the weapons stored there so education can occur.
* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded from ships faster.
* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq.
* The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war.
* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to 35% before the war.
* Elections are taking place in every major city, and city councils are in place.
* Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US soldiers.
* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever
* Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs.
* An interim constitution has been signed.
* Girls are allowed to attend school.
* Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years.
Don't believe for one second that these people do not want us there. I have met many, many people from Iraq that want us there, and in a bad way. They say they will never see the freedoms we talk about but they hope their children will. We are doing a good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone, anywhere to dispute me on these facts.

Ray Reynolds, SFC
Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion


ren

 

[Neodavid]

Wow

This is a letter from Ray Reynolds, a medic in the Iowa Army National Guard, serving in Iraq:


As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in Iraq, I wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media. They have done a very poor job of covering everything that has happened. I am sorry that I have not been able to visit all of you during my two week leave back home. And just so you can rest at night knowing something is happening in Iraq that is noteworthy, I thought I would pass this on to you. This is the list of things that has happened in Iraq recently: (Please share it with your friends and compare it to the version that your paper is producing.)

* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations.
* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of the weapons stored there so education can occur.
* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded from ships faster.
* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq.
* The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war.
* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to 35% before the war.
* Elections are taking place in every major city, and city councils are in place.
* Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US soldiers.
* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever
* Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs.
* An interim constitution has been signed.
* Girls are allowed to attend school.
* Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years.
Don't believe for one second that these people do not want us there. I have met many, many people from Iraq that want us there, and in a bad way. They say they will never see the freedoms we talk about but they hope their children will. We are doing a good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone, anywhere to dispute me on these facts.

Ray Reynolds, SFC
Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion


ren

 

[Sensational]

This is a letter from Ray Reynolds, a medic in the Iowa Army National Guard, serving in Iraq:


As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in Iraq, I wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media. They have done a very poor job of covering everything that has happened. I am sorry that I have not been able to visit all of you during my two week leave back home. And just so you can rest at night knowing something is happening in Iraq that is noteworthy, I thought I would pass this on to you. This is the list of things that has happened in Iraq recently: (Please share it with your friends and compare it to the version that your paper is producing.)

* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations.
* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of the weapons stored there so education can occur.
* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded from ships faster.
* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq.
* The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did before the war.
* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to 35% before the war.
* Elections are taking place in every major city, and city councils are in place.
* Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US soldiers.
* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever
* Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs.
* An interim constitution has been signed.
* Girls are allowed to attend school.
* Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years.
Don't believe for one second that these people do not want us there. I have met many, many people from Iraq that want us there, and in a bad way. They say they will never see the freedoms we talk about but they hope their children will. We are doing a good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone, anywhere to dispute me on these facts.

Ray Reynolds, SFC
Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion


There has been some progress! That is good to hear, I just hope the political takeover will go smoothly, if it happens at all~Sensational

 

[freak]

man it's good to hear positive changes for once.

 

[Bob Smith]

There has been some progress! That is good to hear, I just hope the political takeover will go smoothly, if it happens at all~Sensational

Especially now that the head of the Iraqi governing council was assiasinated this week.

 

[freak]

There has been some progress! That is good to hear, I just hope the political takeover will go smoothly, if it happens at all~Sensational

Especially now that the head of the Iraqi governing council was assiasinated this week.

oops! didn't know that.

 

[greyowl]

This is a letter from Ray Reynolds, a medic in the Iowa Army National Guard, serving in Iraq

Ray Reynolds is a fictitious character. This so-called letter is a deliberate forgery. It was probably written by an operative in the Bush campaign, and was planted in a number of NeoCon websites with the intent that it would spread through the internet (as it has been here) as the honest truth. The goal is persuade Americans to disbelieve what they are seeing with their own eyes. For more information about how NeoCon progagandists wrote this and other fake letters in order to dupe naive innnocents into spreading false news, visit breakthechain.com and truthorfiction.com.

About the list of so-called "accomplishments" listed in the fake letter -- only someone with a profound ignorance of the world outside the U.S. would believe them: for example:

"The country had its first two-billion barrel export of oil in August."
-- Oil production hit two million barrels a day only last month

"Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq"
-- Before the war Iraq had a highly-developed water infrastructure and clean drinking water was very common (although some treatment facilities need repair because they were damaged in the war and its aftermath)

The country now receives twice the electrical power it did before the war."
-- Electricity production has just now reached pre-war levels

"Elections are taking place in every major city, and city councils are in place"
-- Elections remain a point of contention and have been suspended in most major cities

"Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city"
They were there before the war: Work is still going on systems that were damaged in the aftermath of the war

Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets
-- The first class of 400 didn't even graduate until January ... the goal of the occuation forces is to train 35,000 (and by the way, many of the police changed sides and were or still are fighting in the uprising against the U.S.

Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defence police are securing the country
-- there are about 25,000

"Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by side with US soldiers."
-- less than 10,000 were fully operational at last count

"Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time.
-- fewer Iraqis have functioning telephones now than before the war

"Girls are allowed to attend school for the frist time"
-- It has been mandatory in Iraq for girls to attend school since 1970

Grow up people. These fake letters defending the U.S. catastrophe in Iraq have become as common as whores at casino. Anytime you see a "patriotic" letter from a brave serviceman on duty in harm's way which has been spread through the internet, you can safely assume it's a forgery.

 

[ren]

i dont even know what to believe anymore

ren

 

[joe shmoe]

originally posted by greyowl;
"Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq"
-- Before the war Iraq had a highly-developed water infrastructure and clean drinking water was very common (although some treatment facilities need repair because they were damaged in the war and its aftermath)

according to the web site you posted, it says;

According to the U.S. Agency for International Development, safe drinking water was not widespread in Iraq before the U.S. led coalition invaded Iraq but that was partly because of water treatment systems that were in disrepair or had been looted.
In other words, clean water is not new to Iraq.
We couldn't find any figures that indicated how many would be receiving clean water for the first time.
In December, 2003, USAID was on track to provide clean water to more than 14 million Iraqis.
it says nothing about the system being damaged by coalition forces.

"Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city"
They were there before the war: Work is still going on systems that were damaged in the aftermath of the war

again, according to your web site;
We're not sure about all the major cities, but according to USAID, the water and sewage in Iraq has been suffering from years of neglect, electricity shortages, and post-war looting.
Work is underway to restore healthy water and sewage treatment to more than 14-million Iraqis.
so it seems like it was more than just post-war looting.

"Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time.
-- fewer Iraqis have functioning telephones now than before the war

your web site says the following;
We've not found any statistics regarding how many new customers there will be for telephones.
Most of the work in Iraq has been to restore telephone communications that were lost because of damage from the war.
it says nothing of the point you brought out about fewer iraqis having phone service than before the war. any proof of this statement?

Grow up people. These fake letters defending the U.S. catastrophe in Iraq have become as common as whores at casino. Anytime you see a "patriotic" letter from a brave serviceman on duty in harm's way which has been spread through the internet, you can safely assume it's a forgery.

i'll agree with you that there is some propaganda floating around. however, i'd love to see the liberal media do a story on the good things happening in iraq as opposed to only the bad things. and before you say that there arent any good things happening there, i really dont think that even you would believe such a thing.

and a final thought....where is that website getting their info from? it says "according to USAID", but has anyone really checked?

have a nice day

 

[greyowl]

Joe, you've misread the information in the Website. Reread your own post and note all the errors and inconsistencies in it.

As well, you cite USAID as an authority. USAID is an agency of the US Government that is controlled by the State Department. Citing them as an authority on what's going on today in Iraq is like citing the KGB as an authority on what was going on in the former Soviet Union.

Do you want to have a debate on what's good and what's bad in Iraq today? Then start a new thread and let's debate it. The purpose of my post is to point out that the NeCon right is pumping out many forged chain letters such as this one in order to rescue the failing fortunes of that lying, draft-dodging coward George W. Bush. If you have any information that would affirm the authenticity of this letter let's hear it here.

 

[Neodavid]

Greyowl said:
Grow up people. These fake letters defending the U.S. catastrophe in Iraq have become as common as whores at casino. Anytime you see a "patriotic" letter from a brave serviceman on duty in harm's way which has been spread through the internet, you can safely assume it's a forgery.


me:
Yes, and for every one of those, there are a thousand guys like you who only look at the negative side, from a negative perspective.

In between, lies the truth.

When people start calling men names, in particular the leader of our country or any head of state, usually that person is so full of attitude that their reasoning is suspect, and motivation unquestionably bad.

We need to respect the people above us.

Your general smearings are useless, except to cause confusion.

When you have something specific to say, by all means I'm interested. But I'd like to hear YOU back it up as much as you want this fellow to prove the letter is real.

There is nothing so devisive as politics and religion, and nothing shows the lack of civility in men, the lack of love, than a disagreement in those areas.

Losing the attitude will make your arguments sound much more rational. Right now you just sound like a nut case off ON a nut against Bush.

So did you call Clinton a draft dodger too, or is this not a bi-partison prejudice.

Quote:
When the first draft lottery of the Vietnam era was held on 1 December 1969, Clinton's birthdate of 19 August was selected 311th, a number high enough to practically guarantee that he would not be drafted (and indeed he was not). A few days later, Clinton sat down and wrote the now-infamous letter to Colonel Holmes explaining his reasons for reneging on his agreement to enter the University of Arkansas ROTC program.

That Bill Clinton went to great lengths to avoid the Vietnam-era draft, that he used political connections to obtain special favors, and that he made promises and commitments which he later failed to honor, are all beyond dispute.

 

[joe shmoe]

originally posted by joe shmoe;
i'll agree with you that there is some propaganda floating around.
i should've been more clear. yes, i agree with you that the letter was nothing more than propaganda. no doubt about it.

you cite USAID as an authority. USAID is an agency of the US Government that is controlled by the State Department.
i understand and know this. i said "and a final thought....where is that website getting their info from? it says "according to USAID", but has anyone really checked?"
meaning that we dont know if the info the website published is the actual info coming from USAID, unless we go to the USAID website and see for ourselves. just playing devils advocate here and pointing out that you really dont know what USAID said.

Joe, you've misread the information in the Website. Reread your own post and note all the errors and inconsistencies in it.
now giving the website the benefit of the doubt, lets assume the info is correct. all i was doing is pointing to the fact that your responses were sometimes taken out of context. which as we all know could be very different from the actual statement.

that lying, draft-dodging coward George W. Bush.
i think neodavid made the point for me as far as the draft dodging thing goes. as far as GW being a liar...how? please explain. you mean the WMD's? did canada not hear about the sarin bomb that went off in iraq? or the mustard gas that was found?

have a nice day

 

[greyowl]

Sorry Joe, I'll answer you tomorrow, right now I'm having too much fun on the "Perry Como: Where are you/Where is he ?" thread.

 

[thick]

no i think it is non partison and totally Anti USA. No matter what we do
So did you call Clinton a draft dodger too, or is this not a bi-partison prejudice.