What Yall Think?

[DAii]

Hi all, after reading and reading and researching for the past 5 months, I came up with this cycle but is this cycle good to go?


test Ace 225mgs wks/eod 1-12
Tren A 450mgs wks/eod 1-11
Aromasin 10mgs eod wks 1-12
HCG 250iu e3d wks 1-12

Post:
HCG 2000iu e3d 5 days after last test shot. Wks 13-14

PCT:
Nolvadex 20mgs Ed/wks 15-19
Clomid 50mgs ed/wks 15-19

Caber and letrozole on hand for gyno symptoms only.

5'8 | 185lbs | 14% BF | 29yrs | 3rd Cycle (used tren e, winny, tren ace)

 

[★Valkyrie★]

Hi all, after reading and reading and researching for the past 5 months, I came up with this cycle but is this cycle good to go?


test Ace 225mgs wks/eod 1-12
Tren A 450mgs wks/eod 1-11
Aromasin 10mgs eod wks 1-12
HCG 250iu e3d wks 1-12

Post:
HCG 2000iu e3d 5 days after last test shot. Wks 13-14

PCT:
Nolvadex 20mgs Ed/wks 15-19
Clomid 50mgs ed/wks 15-19

Caber and letrozole on hand for gyno symptoms only.

5'8 | 185lbs | 14% BF | 29yrs | 3rd Cycle (used tren e, winny, tren ace)

first and foremost, what is your cycle history,stats, age,weight, years lifting, diet, ext?

I agree with this cycle, the only factor i see is your pct..

run clomid at 100/50/50
tamox at 60/60/40/20/20

good to see cabar on hand!

drop the HCG ( its not needed, but recommended just to keep the signaling from the testes up)

((( Get bloods pre, mid, and post))

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Increase your aromasin to 12.5 ED minimum, particularly when using 19 nors and the importance of maintaining E2 is paramount to preventing prolactin issues.

No need to blast hCG if included on cycle.

Your proposed PCT is fine with this short ester cycle and hCG. I suspect you'll recover very well.

Good luck.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

Why give him any recommendations with aromsin pre an E1/E2 bloods? He needs bloods before you recommen anything in regards to E

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Its very difficult to crash E2 with aromasin. And the fact that 12.5mg is an arguably small amount of AI to begin, i ALWAYS suggest including an AI on every cycle especially if you have no idea on how sensitive your body is to exogenous testosterone. I also believe its important to have the added security and benefit of having a small amount of AI to assist in controlling any rising E2.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

E2 is in fact manipulated, do you wish to see facts?

why suggest,a precursor with no bloods, because of speculate?

The endocrine loves balance, as well as systems of check, when one levels goes up, so will the next, its called "balance of checks".. Why attempt to combat somethings that is yet to be displayed,physically or on a blood analysis?

 

[Colt44]

You read a researched for 5 months and still posted this in the wrong forum?

 

[ebkallday]

I don't run a cycle without Aro. 12.5 ED or 25 EOD does me just fine.

 

[ebkallday]

E2 is in fact manipulated, do you wish to see facts?

why suggest,a precursor with no bloods, because of speculate?

The endocrine loves balance, as well as systems of check, when one levels goes up, so will the next, its called "balance of checks".. Why attempt to combat somethings that is yet to be displayed,physically or on a blood analysis?

Good point. And this is why I know to use aro and the best dose for me. I ALWAYS GET BLOODS. I can never use letro as it ALWAYS crashed my E2.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

When you have a cold do you have blood work performed before you take cold medicine?

You and i both know that not everyone has blood work before, during, and post cycle. Either they cant afford it or its simply not readily available as in Canada. And since there is overwhelming data to suggest that MOST steroid users suffer from unusually high estrogen levels due to exogenous testosterone and the lack of including an AI, i believe its responsible to suggest that one be included and E2 signs observed until either blood work or other signs suggest otherwise.

Sometimes i just think you looking to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[★Valkyrie★]

I don't run a cycle without Aro. 12.5 ED or 25 EOD does me just fine.

I will never dispute these dosages, however do you get bloods?

The truth, this is MY dose as well, I run many compounds concurrent..And I get bloods on the reg.. Lab corp AS/MS/MS

 

[★Valkyrie★]

When you have a cold do you have blood work performed before you take cold medicine?

You and i both know that not everyone has blood work before, during, and post cycle. Either they cant afford it or its simply not readily available as in Canada. And since there is overwhelming data to suggest that MOST steroid users suffer from unusually high estrogen levels due to exogenous testosterone and the lack of including an AI, i believe its responsible to suggest that one be included and E2 signs observed until either blood work or other signs suggest otherwise.

Sometimes i just think you looking to argue for the sake of arguing.

This is to much..

I promise I will obliviate anything that you THINK you know it facts!

Its ME that is looking for a argument? I recon its you that trailers my posts providing some sort of in significant evidence towards the community when it pertains to facts!

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/proviron-with-tren-the-benefits.134359335/#post-1131975

 

[Northern Nutrition]

For goodness sakes have i hurt your ego? I simply commented and provided my opinion on the subject matter. I also backed up my reasoning using YOUR data. You took offense. What do you want from me? A dozen roses?

Look, i like you. But occasionally it appears that you really have no idea what youre talking about. Or that you haven't taken the time to properly read and understand some of the information presented. And if youre going to pretend to understand medical language and throw it at me, please make an effort to use the proper terminology. Example: human homeostasis is NOT called "checks and balances". Are we clear now? Can we move forward? Thanks.

 

[ebkallday]

Northern Nutrition, post: 1132048, member: 64359"]When you have a cold do you have blood work performed before you take cold medicine?

You and i both know that not everyone has blood work before, during, and post cycle. Either they cant afford it or its simply not readily available as in Canada. And since there is overwhelming data to suggest that MOST steroid users suffer from unusually high estrogen levels due to exogenous testosterone and the lack of including an AI, i believe its responsible to suggest that one be included and E2 signs observed until either blood work or other signs suggest otherwise.

Sometimes i just think you looking to argue for the sake of arguing.

I generally get mid cycle bloods to make sure my gear is good and my lipids and liver enzymes, cholesterol are not getting out of control. I am under the care of my doctor. He doesn't condone my AAS use but will help monitor me while I blast. I rarely get per bloods but always do post to make sure my levels return to normal.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Once you've been at this awhile and have had numerous assays performed while on cycle, you generally develop a fairly accurate idea on where some of your hormones are, specifically estrogen. I can run a cycle now and have a fairly solid idea on where i am sitting with the amounts, chosen AAS, and physical and visual sides.

But nothing compares to blood work.

 

[DAii]

12.5mg of Aromasin Ed it is! Ain't nobody got time for bloodwork! I rather buy more gear with that money or not?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

good to see cabar on hand!

Why give him any recommendations with aromsin pre an E1/E2 bloods? He needs bloods before you recommen anything in regards to E

Why did you commend him on the inclusion of caber? Only in the bro lore is prolactin an issue with 19-nors.

I promise I will obliviate anything that you THINK you know it facts!

That's a pretty bold claim you're making there. Let's see what you've got. Start by posting your evidence showing caber is needed for ANY AAS cycle.

 

[weighted chinup]

I agree with Northern on this one, I don't think its unreasonable to suggest a proven effective dose for an AI as a starting point, even absent of blood work. Adjustments can always be made if needed.

I certainly don't have the ability to get blood work done on demand, there are no private options here..well, unless you go to a naturopath and end up spending more on blood work than gear.

 

[hotdog23]

12.5mg of Aromasin Ed it is! Ain't nobody got time for bloodwork! I rather buy more gear with that money or not?

Lol no. Get the bloodwork if u can. Pre, mid and post cycle