What's your current old man cycle?

No problem with prostate enlargement?
I mean here reading all your comments I only hear about blood tests, but do any of you worry at your age about the condition of your prostate?
I had bloods done 5 times last year while trying to dial in test/primo and test and mast. Had psa done on every test. For me at least I've found that the higher my anabolic load the higher my psa. Just high test at 300mg a week drives it up. On trt 150mg a week my psa sits around 1.2. Bumping test to 300 and primo to 300 had it at 2.1. This also increases rbcs, hh,hgb.
 
Just started a cycle

100 Test Iso 3x/week - ramp up to 300 Test Iso 3x/week
75/75 TPP/NPP 3xweek - ramp up to 200/200 3x/week
50 adrol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
20 sdrol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off (on adrol off weeks)

Bloods every month, if all is within reasonable parameters it will go for 4-6 months. Orals will probably be out by 4th month and replaced with 150mg Tren E

Diet is as clean as possible, cardio 3x week for 45m-1h
Training is for the first time after years PPL. Higher reps feel weird.

So far I am 10 days in, +7lbs, BP 110/65, hrh low 70s
On 5mg nevibolol, 100mcg T4 (I have hypo), 2.5mg Tirz (for glucose control), 4iu hgh.


Let the games begin.
 
I had bloods done 5 times last year while trying to dial in test/primo and test and mast. Had psa done on every test. For me at least I've found that the higher my anabolic load the higher my psa. Just high test at 300mg a week drives it up. On trt 150mg a week my psa sits around 1.2. Bumping test to 300 and primo to 300 had it at 2.1. This also increases rbcs, hh,hgb.
i dont' interest blood test, (i make 8 blood test year);
blood test and psa tell me only if i have a prostate cancer.
I am talking about benign prostatic hypertrophy.
Prostate GROW in every male NATURAL with age, anabolic steroid (dht) increase prostate size (infact is used measure prostate in rats to value androgenicity of aas), so will grow MORE in every male that use anabolic steroid.
Only a andrologic control (with ultrasoundand with rectal examination ) can tell you how much your prostate i big...

I fear you were ignoring an extremely relevant aspect for your health.
Know that the day your prostate grows too much, to make you pee they will insert a catheter in your penis
 
i dont' interest blood test, (i make 8 blood test year);
blood test and psa tell me only if i have a prostate cancer.
I am talking about benign prostatic hypertrophy.
Prostate GROW in every male NATURAL with age, anabolic steroid (dht) increase prostate size (infact is used measure prostate in rats to value androgenicity of aas), so will grow MORE in every male that use anabolic steroid.
Only a andrologic control (with ultrasoundand with rectal examination ) can tell you how much your prostate i big...

I fear you were ignoring an extremely relevant aspect for your health.
Know that the day your prostate grows too much, to make you pee they will insert a catheter in your penis
Thank you for your concern however I have no signs/symptoms of BPH. Yes I know that the prostrate grows as we age. Until I start seeing symptoms, it's not something I'm going to worry about. Also, both BPH and prostate cancer can raise your PSA level. My PCP isn't concerned unless it comes back out of range which would then require additional testing.
 
Just started a cycle

100 Test Iso 3x/week - ramp up to 300 Test Iso 3x/week
75/75 TPP/NPP 3xweek - ramp up to 200/200 3x/week
50 adrol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
20 sdrol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off (on adrol off weeks)

Bloods every month, if all is within reasonable parameters it will go for 4-6 months. Orals will probably be out by 4th month and replaced with 150mg Tren E

Diet is as clean as possible, cardio 3x week for 45m-1h
Training is for the first time after years PPL. Higher reps feel weird.

So far I am 10 days in, +7lbs, BP 110/65, hrh low 70s
On 5mg nevibolol, 100mcg T4 (I have hypo), 2.5mg Tirz (for glucose control), 4iu hgh.


Let the games begin.
Jealous of the blood pressure. I can't get that low even on 75 mg a week of test and no hgh (and blood pressure meds).

Remind us of how old you are and your bodyweight?
 
Im 42 and been using AAS since 20. I only use HRT test & deca but higher doses. 300 test & 200 deca is my prescribed HRT. Sometimes I use 10-20mgs dbol preworkout a few times a week.
I think I need your doc! I've been considering going back on the books with my TRT so I can have Pharma again.
 
52

267lbs by no means lean

6'4"

BP and cholesterol are hereditary. But so is borderline prediabetic a1c and low hdl
Nobody else in my family struggles with high blood pressure, which does not mean it is not genetic, but nobody else in my family was a competing bodybuilder, either, and I tend to think there is a connection between my bodybuilding and the blood pressure issue - especially since it went up in tandem with my bodyweight. It was dangerously high when I was 251, still lighter than you, and it had been sneaking higher with each pound gained. When I finally made the call to stop and reverse course, it went down as I lost weight.

I am just struggling with the decision of "Do I really need to drop below 225 pounds?" LOL. :D

I'm six foot and 57, BTW - strangers still make comments from time to time about my build, even when I am in dress clothes, and especially when out and about in a T-Shirt, but nothing like when I was around 250. In my own head, I am weak and small and fat, though, and now having to consider maybe getting smaller and weaker . . . which is probably the right call. My BMI is still technically "obese" - if I lose 5 pounds I can get into "Overweight".

But I would need to lose another 42 pounds to hit the top of "normal" BMI . . . ugh.

183 pounds

137 to 183 pounds is the normal range for a 6 foot tall man.
 
Nobody else in my family struggles with high blood pressure, which does not mean it is not genetic, but nobody else in my family was a competing bodybuilder, either, and I tend to think there is a connection between my bodybuilding and the blood pressure issue - especially since it went up in tandem with my bodyweight. It was dangerously high when I was 251, still lighter than you, and it had been sneaking higher with each pound gained. When I finally made the call to stop and reverse course, it went down as I lost weight.

I am just struggling with the decision of "Do I really need to drop below 225 pounds?" LOL. :D

I'm six foot and 57, BTW - strangers still make comments from time to time about my build, even when I am in dress clothes, and especially when out and about in a T-Shirt, but nothing like when I was around 250. In my own head, I am weak and small and fat, though, and now having to consider maybe getting smaller and weaker . . . which is probably the right call. My BMI is still technically "obese" - if I lose 5 pounds I can get into "Overweight".

But I would need to lose another 42 pounds to hit the top of "normal" BMI . . . ugh.

183 pounds

137 to 183 pounds is the normal range for a 6 foot tall man.
I dunno man, I never REALLY took care of myself, always went by how I felt not how I looked, so no massive up and down in bw in short amounts of time.
Sure I ve been over 300 in my younger days when I was moving serious weight and the amount of gear I was pushing was ridiculous but even then BP was manageable. My father has low BP my mother the same. I think it's more the weight fluctuations that do the most damage on bodybuilders than anything else.
I do need to drop some weight still, I feel the best at 230ish but since I got some juice left in the tank still I postpone it for a later day
 
52yo and I'm on a blast, don't judge me, I came to the game late and discovered I have a very high tolerance. I figure I only have a couple blasts left:

2.5g test c weekly
1.2g primo weekly
20mg anavar daily divided
12iu HGH every evening
a little tirzepatide to keep the weight gain in check.

Experimented with tren ace 300mg/wk recently for a few weeks with no sides and anadrol 80mg/day. I'm off that presently, but I'll probably pick it back up after the holidays for 4-6 weeks when I can train more consistently. That'll wrap up my blast.

From all this, I have no sides. BP is good (<120/80), RHR is good (65bpm), lipids are golden, though I'm on a grip of lipid management pharmaceuticals.

What is apparent is that I can tolerate really big doses of gear. Doesn't make me a hyper-responder though. What remains to be seen is what kind of gains I can make with that much gear and whether the juice is worth the squeeze.

With no sides and no obvious health issues, the only downsides are the volume of gear I have to inject every day.
Late to the game as well and have gone to 4g mixed as well. Could feel a little more inflammation, strength was probably the biggest increase. I often wonder if older users who come in late have higher tolerances but can't understand why? Old ass receptors needing more? Ha who knows. Ive cut it in half just running test/primo/GH and sleep quality is better, body doesn't hurt as much and strength is pretty close to it's top.
 
52yo and I'm on a blast, don't judge me, I came to the game late and discovered I have a very high tolerance. I figure I only have a couple blasts left:

2.5g test c weekly
1.2g primo weekly
20mg anavar daily divided
12iu HGH every evening
a little tirzepatide to keep the weight gain in check.

Experimented with tren ace 300mg/wk recently for a few weeks with no sides and anadrol 80mg/day. I'm off that presently, but I'll probably pick it back up after the holidays for 4-6 weeks when I can train more consistently. That'll wrap up my blast.

From all this, I have no sides. BP is good (<120/80), RHR is good (65bpm), lipids are golden, though I'm on a grip of lipid management pharmaceuticals.

What is apparent is that I can tolerate really big doses of gear. Doesn't make me a hyper-responder though. What remains to be seen is what kind of gains I can make with that much gear and whether the juice is worth the squeeze.

With no sides and no obvious health issues, the only downsides are the volume of gear I have to inject every day.
LOL, damn.

That was posted December 2, so almost seven weeks ago. How long had you already been running it when you posted?

And what sort of results are you getting?

I am insanely curious, as I have never run anything remotely close to that, but I was always curious about it . . . and in your 50s, too.
 
That was posted December 2, so almost seven weeks ago. How long had you already been running it when you posted?

And what sort of results are you getting?

Coming to the end of a 20 week blast. Still no sides. Tried adding some tren in again but after just a couple days that was a no. Maybe my sleep has suffered, but otherwise fine.

Results are meh. I’ll get a dexa scan before long to really see where I’m at. I’m up 20lbs or so and backed off the food because I was getting fatter than I wanted to be. Training has been inconsistent through December as well and I probably should’ve backed off then. I did hit a bench PR before thanksgiving, so that was cool.

I might be up 10lbs of lean mass, which I suppose is probably good, but I ran a blast last year on a third of the dose with subjectively similar results.

Also my feelings are probably biased somewhat from being at the end of a cycle, sick of injecting 2ml or so every day and looking forward to cutting. I hit 7ish % last cut (by dexa) and fantasizing about hitting 5%.

So yeah, pushed the limits and there’s been no real downsides but I won’t likely go this hard again.
 
What do you weigh now at the end of the 20 weeks (and how tall)?

193 this morning, 5'10". There's a photo of me in my "media" at ~170.

Small, I know, but I'm down from being a 340lb fat ass 20 years ago and not eager to be "big". I suspect that if I were willing to put on more fat, I could make better use of the gear.
 
Late to the game as well and have gone to 4g mixed as well. Could feel a little more inflammation, strength was probably the biggest increase. I often wonder if older users who come in late have higher tolerances but can't understand why? Old ass receptors needing more? Ha who knows. Ive cut it in half just running test/primo/GH and sleep quality is better, body doesn't hurt as much and strength is pretty close to it's top.
Test, primo, and gh are my favorite. I've been thinking about sprinkling in a little npp next go round. Truth is I ran deca in my 20's but can't remember how I reacted.
 
Just started a cycle

100 Test Iso 3x/week - ramp up to 300 Test Iso 3x/week
75/75 TPP/NPP 3xweek - ramp up to 200/200 3x/week
50 adrol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
20 sdrol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off (on adrol off weeks)

Bloods every month, if all is within reasonable parameters it will go for 4-6 months. Orals will probably be out by 4th month and replaced with 150mg Tren E

Diet is as clean as possible, cardio 3x week for 45m-1h
Training is for the first time after years PPL. Higher reps feel weird.

So far I am 10 days in, +7lbs, BP 110/65, hrh low 70s
On 5mg nevibolol, 100mcg T4 (I have hypo), 2.5mg Tirz (for glucose control), 4iu hgh.


Let the games begin.
Crazy low BP for someone your size. I wonder what it would be without the Nevibolol. So, 1500 Test and 600 NPP at peak. Do I have that correct?
What's your estrogen control protocol?
Last year, at 525/wk Test-E only, NO AI, my Estradiol Sensitive was at 230!
BTW - I'm 55, 6-1, 240, guessing 18%bf. Jan 1 started 200Test-C/125Deca 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) Adex 1mg/.5/.5 (tue/thu/sat) Haven't re-tested Estrogen since AI yet.
Thank you for sharing.
 
Crazy low BP for someone your size. I wonder what it would be without the Nevibolol. So, 1500 Test and 600 NPP at peak. Do I have that correct?
What's your estrogen control protocol?
Last year, at 525/wk Test-E only, NO AI, my Estradiol Sensitive was at 230!
BTW - I'm 55, 6-1, 240, guessing 18%bf. Jan 1 started 200Test-C/125Deca 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) Adex 1mg/.5/.5 (tue/thu/sat) Haven't re-tested Estrogen since AI yet.
Thank you for sharing.
Exemastene, 20mg on administration days and if/when things get out of hand (>80-90 pg) 2.5 Letro 2x week

Nevibolol does jack squat to my BP only hrh, that goes up to 80-85 due to the T4. When e2 shits higher on peak and I get water retention I throw 40mg Telmisartan on top
 
Exemastene, 20mg on administration days and if/when things get out of hand (>80-90 pg) 2.5 Letro 2x week

Nevibolol does jack squat to my BP only hrh, that goes up to 80-85 due to the T4. When e2 shits higher on peak and I get water retention I throw 40mg Telmisartan on top
I've read that Exemestane is a better option for E control.
I've also read somewhere, maybe on this forum, that Exemestane was somewhat ineffective after higher Test dosages and Adex was preferred for blasting, while Exemestane was better for TRT dosages if still needed. Probably just personal anecdotes. I’ll post if I find something scientific to back that up.
After I test bloods again with the Adex, I'll switch to Exemestane and see what difference it makes and post it.
Just excellent BP genetics then. Nice! Interesting about the T4. I've been on 150mcg NP for years but never noticed it affecting my HR. I'm typically 130/80 & low 60s. I need to find an Endo though. My thyroid numbers are always out of whack.
 
I always have had higher hrh due to t4 as long as I remember. Doctor said is ok since I am in range aka <100. But 15 bpm lower is a considerable amount for any pump that has a somewhat fixed number of beats
Agree, RHR matters. Although, I think a lower BP is likely a far more important consideration.
Side note: A professor once explained that the heart does not "wear out" like a mechanical pump. In an unfailing support system, theoretically, the heart may actually beat forever. Neither here nor there though.
 
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