Whats your take on dnp diet?

[nervje]

Im just trying to get more theoretical knowledge about this.
Ive googled alot and havent really come to a conclusion on whats better.
High carbs or low carbs on a dnp cycle?

Some people (known people aswell) say its best to do as low carbs as possible for best results.
Best results doesnt mean less sides, im talking only about your body fat loss after your dnp cycle, regardless on how shitty you felt on cycle due to sides (sweating, lethargy...).
Others again say to go extremely high carbs.
Both sides posted 'evidence' on why their take is supposed to work better than the other.
Whats your opinion/experience in those 2 diets? (Regardless of which, high protein is a must obvious and constant water intake)

 

[LordSamuilo]

It doesn't make much of a difference from a fat lose stand point . The best diet to use on dnp is the one that makes you feel best physically...

The people that say you need a high carb diet to get the most out of your dnp dont comprehend even when you take in zero carbs your body still uses multiple metabolic pathways to create glucose . So even if you are keto running dnp the net effect of diminished atp production still ends up being roughly the same .

Anecdotally ive never seen a difference going zero carb or high carb while on dnp other than i get hotter faster post carb meals. Which makes sense and supports the above because sugars being the fastest dietary source to fuel atp production gives you a "flooding" effect of atp being uncoupled causing a quick shot of heat post meal . Where if are keto your body has to create glucose from either amino acids, glycerol or ketones in the liver which are longer pathways to atp production. So it like slowly trickling gas on a fire as opposed to dumping the can on all at once so to speak ...

These metabolic processes are super convoluted to a laymen and im sure are very dependent person to person . So I could be explaining it in a completely fucked up way . But basically the way I understand it keto vs carbs on dnp is very much the same as keto vs carbs sans dnp i.e....... It doesnt make very much difference in regards to fat lose because no matter what you eat your body is still metabolizing energy through all available pathways . Only difference being the percentages at which it does it at ...

 

[nervje]

It doesn't make much of a difference from a fat lose stand point . The best diet to use on dnp is the one that makes you feel best physically...

The people that say you need a high carb diet to get the most out of your dnp dont comprehend even when you take in zero carbs your body still uses multiple metabolic pathways to create glucose . So even if you are keto running dnp the net effect of diminished atp production still ends up being roughly the same .

Anecdotally ive never seen a difference going zero carb or high carb while on dnp other than i get hotter faster post carb meals. Which makes sense and supports the above because sugars being the fastest dietary source to fuel atp production gives you a "flooding" effect of atp being uncoupled causing a quick shot of heat post meal . Where if are keto your body has to create glucose from either amino acids, glycerol or ketones in the liver which are longer pathways to atp production. So it like slowly trickling gas on a fire as opposed to dumping the can on all at once so to speak ...

These metabolic processes are super convoluted to a laymen and im sure are very dependent person to person . So I could be explaining it in a completely fucked up way . But basically the way I understand it keto vs carbs on dnp is very much the same as keto vs carbs sans dnp i.e....... It doesnt make very much difference in regards to fat lose because no matter what you eat your body is still metabolizing energy through all available pathways . Only difference being the percentages at which it does it at ...

If I understood you right, ot doesnt matter if high carbs as the dnp will take those carbs as energy fuel instead of other glucose like sources that are already present in your body. Doesnt that theorerically mean, if you didnt ingest carbs, the dnp makes you use of fat as eneegy source faster since itll use the carbs first, then the other glucose sources, wherein if no carbs, it immediately gets the glucose sources?

Ive read about the atp thing i few hundred times (thats how it feels to me at least) but i still dont 100% get what it exactly means in terms of faster fat burning/metabolism. Guess im kinda stupid lol

 

[Eman]

Fat and carb intake on DNP will make no significant difference on fat loss. This has actually been studied (cutting and tainter) and they found no difference between high carb, low carb or isocaloric.

With that said, I think the most practical diet for DNP is an isocaloric diet with a small deficit.

Concerns about carbs making the user warm are pretty misguided for the most part. Carbs causing heat are a dose dependent issue, as long as we're not going to extremes.

Reference: METABOLIC ACTIONS OF DINITROPHENOL

 

[LordSamuilo]

Not quit , and its kinda complicated so anything that i say will be sorta a watered down retard version .

if you are keto while on dnp(or without dnp for that matter) your body will get energy to a larger degree than it would otherwise from fats stores . They get broke down into fatty acids and glycerol that the body uses to synthesize ketones (mainly to fuel the brain) and create glucose in the liver . Glycerol is converted into glucose and fatty acids are converted into ketones. But ketones cant fuel your body by themselves and mostly are just a defense mechanism to fuel your brain in times of famine . Even in full ketosis your body still largely uses glucose to create energy . Actually the longer you stay keto adapted the more efficient your body becomes at using ketones and will use less an less with the same net effect . **Which is why when people are in keto for long peroids or time and use keto sticks to test there level of ketones it can show them barely being in ketosis...

But the point is whether keto or carb diet( on dnp or not )there isnt a huge difference in how your body is creating energy , and though those small differences in metabolic actions can have a huge effect in some aspects ....fat lose isnt one of them ...

Edit: sry meant to quote @nervje

 

[Ironlyfe80]

Just to be clear, a no carb diet is not necessarily a keto diet. It takes a high fat/moderate protein/no carb diet to go into ketosis.

 

[LordSamuilo]

Just to be clear, a no carb diet is not necessarily a keto diet. It takes a high fat/moderate protein/no carb diet to go into ketosis.

Yeah and you can be fat adapted but not be techichally in ketosis too ... Your carb intake and resultant insulin levels are low enough to allow your body to be primarily fueled by fat but not low enough to have excess acetoacetate registering in your urine .

So being in ketosis vs low carb is really a pointless technicality people make atleast in terms of fat loss . And how many would be dieters(especially bodybuilders) are realistically even checking there ketone levels to make sure they stay in ketosis regularly ?

Keto and carb dense diets just illustrated to two extreme ends of diets , but even with those two polar ends of the diet spectrum the difference in fat loss is negligible. So the difference for fat loss in keto or low carb is most likely non exsistant with all factors being equal.....