When UGL goes bad

[Burrr]

I've been running ugl test for 6 years now, mostly at a Trt dose.
I've seen numerous posts about people with terrible PIP, abscess, infections and other ugl issues.
I've had some PIP, knots and gear that makes my arthritis flare up. Never bad enough to seek medical care. I think I got sick from TNE once, real heavy on the quac.

So what all can go wrong with UGL, and what effect does it have to the person injecting it?
We can get crashed gear, gear made with too much or not enough ba and bb alcohol, gear made with non sterile vials or caps, gear with airborne contamination in the bottling process, gear with contaminated raws, poorly filtered gear, or even blown out filters.

What would be our most common source of shit gear, and what symptoms would you see from what kind of fuckups?
What is the usual culprit for terrible PIP
Are inflections likely from poorly filtered gear? Does the alcohol in the gear prevent the presence of bacteria?
What are the more common problems we face with ugl gear?

 

[MisterSuperGod]

PIP is SO subjective. i don't believe there is a one size fits all cause. Why does 1ml of gear in Miglyol give me hellacious PIP and the next guy can pin 3 ml in one shot with little to no PIP?

Why does gear in EO give me no PIP, but the next guy can't look at a vial of gear in EO without getting PIP?

Then there's those that get PIP from pharma Cyp...

There's so many factors that could be the cause, but the cause for you and the cause for me could be completely different.

And with that, i answered no questions and just brought up more. Thank you, i'll be here all week.

 

[Den84]

PIP is SO subjective. i don't believe there is a one size fits all cause. Why does 1ml of gear in Miglyol give me hellacious PIP and the next guy can pin 3 ml in one shot with little to no PIP?

Why does gear in EO give me no PIP, but the next guy can't look at a vial of gear in EO without getting PIP?

Then there's those that get PIP from pharma Cyp...

There's so many factors that could be the cause, but the cause for you and the cause for me could be completely different.

And with that, i answered no questions and just brought up more. Thank you, i'll be here all week.

Great post. no need to add anything else.

 

[janoshik]

I'll try to share a little bit of my experience and answer what I can.

>what symptoms would you see from what kind of fuckups?

Most common fuck up, in what I've seen, is injection into subcutaneous tissue instead of muscle, resulting in knots and PIP.

>Are inflections likely from poorly filtered gear?
No, improper sterile technique by the user is by far more common than from poorly filtered gear.
(ie not disinfecting skin etc)

>Does the alcohol in the gear prevent the presence of bacteria?
Most of the dangerous bacteria wouldn't survive in the oil even without the BA.



If people are seeing PIP consistently with some product, it's more likely that the issue is improper amount of solvents or old BB/BA used than infection.

 

[Test_Subject]

Why does gear in EO give me no PIP, but the next guy can't look at a vial of gear in EO without getting PIP?

I had some NPP made with 10%EO and I could barely finish the cycle.

Even my usual solution of injecting upper body on bench days and lower body on squat/DL days to get blood moving into that area did nothing.

It was gnarly. Never again.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

I had some NPP made with 10%EO and I could barely finish the cycle.

Even my usual solution of injecting upper body on bench days and lower body on squat/DL days to get blood moving into that area did nothing.

It was gnarly. Never again.

That's how i was with Miglyol. i lost sleep one night because my shoulder ached so bad. The PIP was so incredibly awful at just 1 ml. Tried to cut it with Test Prop in EO, but i didn't notice any less PIP.

 

[The ole man]

I'll try to share a little bit of my experience and answer what I can.

>what symptoms would you see from what kind of fuckups?

Most common fuck up, in what I've seen, is injection into subcutaneous tissue instead of muscle, resulting in knots and PIP.

>Are inflections likely from poorly filtered gear?
No, improper sterile technique by the user is by far more common than from poorly filtered gear.
(ie not disinfecting skin etc)

>Does the alcohol in the gear prevent the presence of bacteria?
Most of the dangerous bacteria wouldn't survive in the oil even without the BA.



If people are seeing PIP consistently with some product, it's more likely that the issue is improper amount of solvents or old BB/BA used than infection.

I’m surprised dinging a nerve and giving up gear for life wasn’t on the list.

I seem to get pip just the first couple pins. Last time was about 4 or 5 pins before I didn’t have any pip. This time I’m on 3rd pin and it was very little and was completely gone in 48 hrs.
Because if that alone, tells us anything, it’s that the way my body reacts to it, changes. And I would imagine that everyone could have diff reactions, as my body seems to not mind it, after the first couple of pins.

 

[S.B.C]

I've used 1st world pharma amps for years and still had a baboon butt cheek twice despite following all the standard injection rules and 50 plus shots from the exact same box / batch.

 

[CAswole]

I developed a gnarly infection in my quad few years back. I waited it out too long hoping it was just bad pip . By day six my whole leg swelled up like a fuckin balloon. Admitted to the hospital and after 3 days of iv antibiotics i was ok but they almost had to do surgery and cut muscle tissue out. Ugh.

 

[bickel29]

At the risk of sounding like an alarmist, to very honestly answer the question "what all can go wrong" we must include the reality that death and/or amputation and/or gross dismemberment due to severe infection could occur from using gear that is made in a wide range of amateurly configured 'home labs'.

I am not saying it is likely, just that it is possible.

Just keeping it real for the novice UGL gear users amongst us.

 

[Burrr]

I developed a gnarly infection in my quad few years back. I waited it out too long hoping it was just bad pip . By day six my whole leg swelled up like a fuckin balloon. Admitted to the hospital and after 3 days of iv antibiotics i was ok but they almost had to do surgery and cut muscle tissue out. Ugh.

Holy crap, that sounds painful, expensive and scary.
I'm sure most of us would also spend a few days thinking it was just bad PIP.

 

[CAswole]

Holy crap, that sounds painful, expensive and scary.
I'm sure most of us would also spend a few days thinking it was just bad PIP.

Yea but in retrospect my leg was a water balloon and i couldn't bend at the knee. Uhhhh maybe we got a little more than pip happening here lol

 

[sixfoot6]

I had some NPP made with 10%EO and I could barely finish the cycle.

Even my usual solution of injecting upper body on bench days and lower body on squat/DL days to get blood moving into that area did nothing.

It was gnarly. Never again.

10% EO shouldnt hurt you, it was probably something else man

 

[sixfoot6]

At the risk of sounding like an alarmist, to very honestly answer the question "what all can go wrong" we must include the reality that death and/or amputation and/or gross dismemberment due to severe infection could occur from using gear that is made in a wide range of amateurly configured 'home labs'.

I am not saying it is likely, just that it is possible.

Just keeping it real for the novice UGL gear users amongst us.

Story time, I had a friend mix up some Mast P and Test suspension in the same vial, and go to shoot it. He aspirated, and blood filled the syringe. So, he took it out, put the cap on the needle, and left it

2 days later to decides to inject it, with the 2 day old blood still mixed with the oil and water.

4 days later he is in the hospital hooked up to an IV; the doctors drained 100cc of pus from his shoulder!

 

[LeoTC]

That's not so much bad gear as your friend being a fucking moron though...

 

[Test_Subject]

10% EO shouldnt hurt you, it was probably something else man

Naw, I just react to EO very badly. I've used all sorts of gear from the same lab and never had any issues.

I had some gear years back (different lab) that was 50% EO and had to give the unopened bottles to a friend. I couldn't even walk after one glute injection. I figured that 10% wouldn't do anything, but I was wrong lol.

 

[master.on]

I've been running ugl test for 6 years now, mostly at a Trt dose.
I've seen numerous posts about people with terrible PIP, abscess, infections and other ugl issues.
I've had some PIP, knots and gear that makes my arthritis flare up. Never bad enough to seek medical care. I think I got sick from TNE once, real heavy on the quac.

So what all can go wrong with UGL, and what effect does it have to the person injecting it?
We can get crashed gear, gear made with too much or not enough ba and bb alcohol, gear made with non sterile vials or caps, gear with airborne contamination in the bottling process, gear with contaminated raws, poorly filtered gear, or even blown out filters.

What would be our most common source of shit gear, and what symptoms would you see from what kind of fuckups?
What is the usual culprit for terrible PIP
Are inflections likely from poorly filtered gear? Does the alcohol in the gear prevent the presence of bacteria?
What are the more common problems we face with ugl gear?

Benzyl Alcohol doesn't really kill bacteria, it's just a bacteriostatic. It temporarily prevents bacteria from growing while in the vial.
Once injected in the body, any existing bacteria will grow again.
Always sterile filter any underground gear, just in case.

 

[Burrr]

Always sterile filter any underground gear, just in case.

I've only done this maybe 20% of the time. I hope I dont pay the price. @Big_paul was always preaching about the filter protocol

 

[weighted chinup]

I would say missing muscle tissue and oil being injected sub-q is the #1 thing that can go wrong. Most freak-out infection posts on the boards are probably due to this factor.

Not using long enough pins, quads seem to be the main problem spot where things get messy. A lot of guys using 1" for quads really should be using 1.5" on quads unless reasonably lean, and most people should probably avoid quads entirely despite how convenient it is.

Blends, including sustanon, are more susceptible to causing problems from missing IM and going sub-q too. In my early days on this board, I've been prone to assuming infections being reported by members are a result of a carelessly made product, in retrospect, I think a lot of those cases boil down to user error.

 

[Big_paul]

I've only done this maybe 20% of the time. I hope I dont pay the price. @Big_paul was always preaching about the filter protocol

One infection was enough.