Which Ester do you recommend?

[NomadSpeed]

Thanks fellas for all the in-depth responses. Much appreciated

 

[malfeasance]

Sprinting 200-400m . Yes considered it for the quick clearance .

I don't know that I have any recommendation (other than don't get caught), but that is a great sport. I am always amazed at how fast the top guys can run that distance. I was always jealous of the really fast guys in the 400.

 

[NomadSpeed]

I don't know that I have any recommendation (other than don't get caught), but that is a great sport. I am always amazed at how fast the top guys can run that distance. I was always jealous of the really fast guys in the 400.

Thanks bro. I’ve been looking into tbol but hear the clearance time is 11-12 months which seems very long for an oral. Do you think would be based on higher doses or just its presence as metabolites in the system.

 

[lukiss96]

One thing that is not clear to me is if the carrier oil changes half-life when it comes to Test U. Some people will only take it with castor oil?

Yes and no, yes it does change half life pretty significantly (see below) and no some like myself use TU made with sesame oil or similar while others prefer with castor oil.

I use non castor oil and it's fine for me because I like to inject once per week.

Castor is better suited for those who want to inject every 2 weeks or so. (You obviously can still inject weekly if you wish).

3 weeks half life vs almost 5 weeks:

 

[I6JQdr06]

I like Test C, but might switch to Test U soon.

One thing that is not clear to me is if the carrier oil changes half-life when it comes to Test U. Some people will only take it with castor oil?

Yeah. Pharmacokinetic studies have been done to show that the serum half life of test U is ~50% longer with castor oil than tea seed oil.

There’s no reason to assume that this is only true of test U. The implication of the study is that for all forms of testosterone (and probably all injectable steroid esters) the type of oil used as excipient is an important contributor to the half life.

 

[Laxbro88]

Thanks bro. I’ve been looking into tbol but hear the clearance time is 11-12 months which seems very long for an oral. Do you think would be based on higher doses or just its presence as metabolites in the system.

Its based on very unique to that compound metabolites. They found some long lasting metabolites and went back and caught a bunch of athletes years after the fact recently with tbol. Your better off using test and maybe hgh/healing peptides for recovery purposes/fat loss in my opinion!

 

[NomadSpeed]

Its based on very unique to that compound metabolites. They found some long lasting metabolites and went back and caught a bunch of athletes years after the fact recently with tbol. Your better off using test and maybe hgh/healing peptides for recovery purposes/fat loss in my opinion!

thank you for that. Would recommend adding in another compound oral with a shorter lifespan. Like Winn or Var?

 

[malfeasance]

Speed Bumps: Why It’s So Hard to Catch Cheaters in Track and Field

A cache of leaked blood tests showed hundreds of track athletes have recorded results “suggestive of doping.” With the 2015 world track championships about to start, a look at why anti-doping tests are so ineffective.

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Probably best to stick to low to mild elevations of hormones that are found naturally in your body, anyway.

Consider the ubiquitous anti-doping test known as the T/E ratio. “T” is testosterone and “E” is another hormone called epitestosterone, a natural product of steroid metabolism that provides no benefit. Most people have a T/E ratio of 1-to–1. But there is natural variation among people, so the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) set the T/E ratio limit at 4-to–1. If a test goes above that, it is deemed suspicious and testing for synthetic testosterone ensues. This gives an athlete with a typical T/E ratio room to dope before hitting 4-to–1, and even small amounts of testosterone provide benefit. To make matters worse for drug testers, for many people, an elevated T/E ratio will quickly return to normal, even as the benefits of the drug are just beginning. Christiane Ayotte, director of the WADA-accredited lab in Montreal, knows that athletes are slipping through the porous T/E screen every day. She once said that she “cannot retire until we’ve found a better probe.” This is one reason why it’s important that athletes are tested repeatedly and, ideally, outside of competition without advance notice.

 

[OmL]

I use Test U for my “TRT” cruise, 175mg; once per week is perfectly fine.

 

[Laxbro88]

thank you for that. Would recommend adding in another compound oral with a shorter lifespan. Like Winn or Var?

Unfortunately all of the synthetic derivatives of testosterone have unique metabolites that are pretty easy to test for. Not sure on the exact length for all of those however. I’m pretty sure winstrol has some easy to catch metabolites as well. It’s also a drug many sprinters have used before so any drug testing organization dealing with track athletes will be looking for it in my opinion.

I agree with malfeasance on elevating natural hormone levels being the go to for PED use in tested sports. I know you mentioned getting leaner as well, I high recommend a good generic hgh. They have a VERY hard time detecting elevated hgh/past hgh use in athletes. There is also a wide range of what values folks have in terms of igf1 values and other markers related to hgh use.

 

[narta]

One thing that is not clear to me is if the carrier oil changes half-life when it comes to Test U.

Yes it does. Castor oil adds 50% more time to release from depot than tea seed oil (the standard used for depot release)

Individual levels of esterase and lipase enzymes play a role too.

Castor oil has other benefits bedides prolonging the release time from depot. It a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory agent

 

[Juicedhead]

TNE, its in and out the quickest. but that shit can put size on you so youd probably gain weight forsure.

 

[malfeasance]

Unfortunately all of the synthetic derivatives of testosterone have unique metabolites that are pretty easy to test for. Not sure on the exact length for all of those however. I’m pretty sure winstrol has some easy to catch metabolites as well. It’s also a drug many sprinters have used before so any drug testing organization dealing with track athletes will be looking for it in my opinion.

I agree with malfeasance on elevating natural hormone levels being the go to for PED use in tested sports. I know you mentioned getting leaner as well, I high recommend a good generic hgh. They have a VERY hard time detecting elevated hgh/past hgh use in athletes. There is also a wide range of what values folks have in terms of igf1 values and other markers related to hgh use.

If you read that article in #30, they are not doing that sort of testing except maybe as a backup to the T/E ratio. Too expensive to do it routinely on everybody. And we don't even know what level of sport he is at. Unless he is in the running to represent his country at the Olympics, this is all pretty academic discussion.

 

[seabiscuit hogg]

For trt i use test undecanoate every 3.5 days

That's the protocol I use but with test cyp. You only need to inject that ester once weekly tops.

 

[trenathor]

When I'm running I like prop basically because I run short esters I just love the feeling of them and feel like they pack a nice punch. When I'm cruising (currently am) I like test E because it's basically just more convenient. Never did Test U so I can't really speak on it and never gave it much research. The only PIP I ever get from the ones I've tried would be if I'm doing 1-1½ml of tren A pretty much with whatever the carrier oil is. But nothing that is too crazy or messes with my workout. I wanna try DHB and hear that's a bad PIP but still seems like something I'm interested in.

 

[timfino]

thank you for that. Would recommend adding in another compound oral with a shorter lifespan. Like Winn or Var?

Winn will reek havoc on your joints and you definitely don't want that as a runner. I would skip the oral entirely.. For your goals and your sport, a little bit of testosterone and some hgh go alooooong way. Thats all you need

 

[lukiss96]

thank you for that. Would recommend adding in another compound oral with a shorter lifespan. Like Winn or Var?

When I was in the military I used to run 3 times per week, taking oral was big mistake. I couldn't finish once because of dbol. Testosterone at higher dosages also make shins pump and it sucks to run.

 

[malfeasance]

Winn will reek havoc on your joints and you definitely don't want that as a runner. I would skip the oral entirely.. For your goals and your sport, a little bit of testosterone and some hgh go alooooong way. Thats all you need

Winstrol crippled me, but Ben Johnson won an Olympic Gold Medal on oral WInstrol and had been taking that and dianabol on and off since 1981, carefully stopping ahead of competitions so as not to get caught.