Who do you use for anonymous shipping?

[Type-IIx]

Go fuck yourself, Domestic Fedex packages are not routinely opened for inspection while USPS packs are often damaged to the point of exposing the contents, leading to innumerable busts. Both are subject to alert by k9s.

Sniff

 

[Type-IIx]

Go fuck yourself, Domestic Fedex packages are not routinely opened for inspection while USPS packs are often damaged to the point of exposing the contents, leading to innumerable busts. Both are subject to alert by k9s.

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I don’t get it, why the need to speak so authoritatively about matters that only agents of governments can speak to?

The FUD sure panned out with the Chinese labs…. Or….. they seized upon it.

 

[Type-IIx]

PS the domestic raw shortages extend to…. mast E. Nothing more. And are characterized by staff issues, indiscipline… nothing to do with manufacture in China.

Should we start a new thread?

 

[RekTest]

Literally every domestic order I have done has come through USPS, not really sure the fear mongering above, if it were all true the domestic sources wouldnt be using them and would instead use Fedex.
If its good enough for a source that is prolly going through thousands upon thousands of mailings each month, then its prolly good enough for you lol

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

not really sure the fear mongering above

Keeps it nice and spicy

 

[bigMoJo]

The FUD sure panned out with the Chinese labs…. Or….. they seized upon it.

Are you saying this was planned? Some sort of collusion? Possible ("corrupt") federal agent in cahoots with Chinese UGL, or whatever? IDK.

@Ghoul called the De minimis legislation as cause for possible "shortage/difficulty" obtaining international shipments back on August 8, 2024:

Thread 'STOCK UP: Don't say you weren't warned! (US)' STOCK UP: Don't say you weren't warned! (US)

The current "raw shortgage" (or "FUD") in China was first mentioned here in these and the subsequent posts:

11/07/2024
Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic' Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

11/08/2024
Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic' Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

In this thread, the poster asked about "domestic" shipments:

if one were to have something shipped domestically that was highly questionable, which option would be best:
A: fedex overnight
B: usps 2-3
Those are the only options.

@Ghoul or @readalot

Many thanks

IMO, the Chinese FUD—if that IS what it is—was "manufactured" by them. But, you be the judge!

 

[Type-IIx]

Are you saying this was planned? Some sort of collusion? Possible ("corrupt") federal agent in cahoots with Chinese UGL, or whatever? IDK.

@Ghoul called the De minimis legislation as cause for possible "shortage/difficulty" obtaining international shipments back on August 8, 2024:

Thread 'STOCK UP: Don't say you weren't warned! (US)' STOCK UP: Don't say you weren't warned! (US)

The current "raw shortgage" (or "FUD") in China was first mentioned here in these and the subsequent posts:

11/07/2024
Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic' Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

11/08/2024
Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic' Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic

In this thread, the poster asked about "domestic" shipments:


IMO, the Chinese FUD—if that IS what it is—was "manufactured" by them. But, you be the judge!

Look, I really think the whole conversation got too serious, I was trying out my punchline about carrier pigeons.

I think that at the end of the day ghoul is just a guy who likes the board and wants to be right more often than not.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

There is no such thing as anon shipping. There's identity theft, mule networks, etc. But you can't ship anonymous in any civilized country.

Wouldn't using postage paid via monero + not your return address + dropped in a USPS dropbox be anon? Assuming optimal opsec leveraging VPN / TOR. acquiring coins in a way that can't be traced back and not getting caught by cameras when dropping the pack

 

[Sampei]

Wouldn't using postage paid via monero + not your return address + dropped in a USPS dropbox be anon? Assuming optimal opsec leveraging VPN / TOR. acquiring coins in a way that can't be traced back and not getting caught by cameras when dropping the pack

Something tells me you ain't shipping sample to Jano brother ahahahah

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Something tells me you ain't shipping sample to Jano brother ahahahah

Nah I'm not doing this dude lol. It's mostly a question about "no such thing as anon shipping." if there wasn't such thing as anon shipping practices, vendors on the dark web would be busted left and right

 

[Sampei]

Nah I'm not doing this dude lol. It's mostly a question about "no such thing as anon shipping." if there wasn't such thing as anon shipping practices, vendors on the dark web would be busted left and right

Don't you have those private mail shop, where you can go, pay with cash and that's it? Put a fake name on it and done OR pirate shipping? Pay with monero and drop into some usps mail box?

Drive into another state and mail from there. I mean there are ways, they are just timeconsuming.

 

[Benf15harp]

Wearing a simple costume helps.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Don't you have those private mail shop, where you can go, pay with cash and that's it? Put a fake name on it and done OR pirate shipping? Pay with monero and drop into some usps mail box?

Drive into another state and mail from there. I mean there are ways, they are just timeconsuming.

I'm not looking for solutions for myself with my last comment here; mostly interested why the assertion "there is no such thing as anon shipping" when I think we have quite a bit of evidence to the contrary

I sure as fuck am not gonna hassle with all the shit I mentioned to send jano samples. most I would hassle with to do that is postage paid in monero + dropbox + return address

 

[Sampei]

I'm not looking for solutions for myself with my last comment here; mostly interested why the assertion "there is no such thing as anon shipping" when I think we have quite a bit of evidence to the contrary

I sure as fuck am not gonna hassle with all the shit I mentioned to send jano samples. most I would hassle with to do that is postage paid in monero + dropbox + return address

Because ppl have no clue of criminal enterprises bur they love to show they are the big shot know it all even of things they have no fucking clue.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Because ppl have no clue of criminal enterprises bur they love to show they are the big shot know it all even of things they have no fucking clue.

meh okay lol i hope there is a better answer. the way in which criminal enterprise operate anon is super interesting so the discussion of it naturally piques my curiosity

 

[Sampei]

meh okay lol i hope there is a better answer. the way in which criminal enterprise operate anon is super interesting so the discussion of it naturally piques my curiosity

Thing is it all depends on the country you operate from. Opsec changes a lot from one country to another.

 

[Type-IIx]

Wouldn't using postage paid via monero + not your return address + dropped in a USPS dropbox be anon? Assuming optimal opsec leveraging VPN / TOR. acquiring coins in a way that can't be traced back and not getting caught by cameras when dropping the pack

Since all USPS mail is scanned for metadata and they know which box you dropped it in, and they know which stamps were sold in bulk to the “anon” shipping company, you just get labeled a highly suspicious sender and they can monitor the box and investigate. Multiple boxes, you say? They’ll get really interested then. Their reach is farther, and they just expand the scope to reasonable travel distance.

There is a whole postal investigative system and they’re busy doing this shit around the clock.

Since Snowden we’ve known this, and we’ve also come to appreciate that the contents of a package hardly matter when they can use AI and big data analytics to pick out the needle from a haystack.

Then, that’s just shipping. What about receiving? Good luck, committing multiple crimes involving identity theft, and relying on drug addicts to receive mail for you reliably.

Tor is actually pretty close to anonymous, but they’re able to pierce the veil when they are motivated to by endpoint compromise.

But as soon as you start operating in the “meatspace,” you’re finished, opsec -wise.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Since all USPS mail is scanned for metadata and they know which box you dropped it in, and they know which stamps were sold in bulk to the “anon” shipping company, you just get labeled a highly suspicious sender and they can monitor the box and investigate.

Gotcha. Priority Postage paid by crypto probably uses same “company” to acquire labels that are with high probability shipping other illicit goods, makes sense. As in other customers of crypto postage are sending illicit goods and it’s easy to profile via postage once understood how the postage is being acquired.

Not sure if stamps and priority postage same thing but I think still applies regardless? Not sure.

Multiple boxes, you say? They’ll get really interested then. Their reach is farther, and they just expand the scope to reasonable travel distance.

Even using different return address for each different box you’re dropping to in different zip codes? Understood though they don’t lack the resources to figure it out once you catch heat.

There is a whole postal investigative system and they’re busy doing this shit around the clock.

Since Snowden we’ve known this, and we’ve also come to appreciate that the contents of a package hardly matter when they can use AI and big data analytics to pick out the needle from a haystack.

Then, that’s just shipping. What about receiving? Good luck, committing multiple crimes involving identity theft, and relying on drug addicts to receive mail for you reliably.

Oh god yeah receiving is a different beast I’m sure. I’d much rather be on the shipping end than receiving end.

Tor is actually pretty close to anonymous, but they’re able to pierce the veil when they are motivated to by endpoint compromise.

I have heard of this. Basically I guess it comes down to how motivated they are to catch someone and if the sender / seller knows when to drop back and let the heat cool off, rebrand, move, and start again.

But as soon as you start operating in the “meatspace,” you’re finished, opsec -wise.

Feels like this is the biggest vulnerability. So many cameras that if they’re determined they’ll trace you the drop off person back to wherever they need to.

Thanks for the more in depth insight. Very interesting. I always like reading about the dark web busts and see how the vendors screwed up; it’s usually something crazy simple that was overlooked early on. Contrast this with very long time vendors that have been going since the OG Silk Road. Quite fascinating.

 

[Benf15harp]

This is what I do:
Wear costume
Put on gloves
Buy stamps and packaging materials off an old lady at a retirement home
Drive across multiple states on Route 66
Handoff the package to a fellow biker gang member
He then puts on costume and gloves
And goes to a very large company several states away to use their bathroom and after dropping a Waffle House induced greasy deuce he sneaks in the mailroom and drops the package in the outgoing mail tub.
Done and dusted. Let’s ride mfers

 

[Benf15harp]

economy super saver 2 for 14$
Can be used in lieu of gloves for protecting identity and as my homie @Trenbolonetax pointed out to me they can be used as a prophylactic but are prone to slipping off due to being slightly too large, he said.