Yes i have, and straight out of the bottle MCT oil contains lots of bacteria. But have you ever looked at filtered oil under a microscope? I have, and it still contains LOTS of bacteria.
People often thing that when they run the oil through a .22um syringe filter, that its now sterile, its not. Plenty and i mean plenty of bacteria passes through the membrane.
So what kills all this bacteria. Is it the BA? Or does our immune system just ward off infection?
If i injected some unfiltered GSO i doubt anything would happen. Look at how many junkies inject heroin and crystal meth. They don't exactly filter it and rarely do they get infections.
But this is aside from the question. I plan to filter my oil.
I'm going to try and hunt down someone who has a vast knowledge of science and bacteria for a full run down on this.
Here is the thing. Unfiltered oil contains mostly the same bacteria as is floating around in the air we breathe. Because the majority of it got into the oil from the air.
When you sterilize a vial with a piece of foil over the top. Then remove the foil to put the stopper on. Instantly, its not sterile.
Look at how mushrooms are inoculated. Them guys spend serious time creating flow hoods and sterile boxes to work inside. They spray them with bleach, iso alcohol ect Just to keep the air inside the box sterile. Because they know that if the mushrooms spores come into contact with outside air, they are going to be contaminated. Why do people think its any different than with steroids?
Its probably my fault for wording this thread wrong. But my basic question is, how come most UGL vials are sterile, despite the fact that the vials they inject the filtered oil into are contaminated with likely thousands of different forms of bacteria? So what kills this bacteria?
We have already came to the adequate conclusion that when vials and stoppers are sterilized in the oven, like most UGL do it, they are not sterile, once the stoppers go on.
But for some reason most HPLC tests of UGL vials shows very rarely bacteria contamination.
So what actually kills this bacteria?
By the way, all this is completely irrelevant if the vials have been through an autoclave. Because then they would not have been exposed to airborne bacteria. And then filtering is fucking awesome. But as is clear, its not the case when vials are sterilized in the damn oven. Does this make sense?
And for anyone saying i am a troll, is it not clear how fucking much time and effort i have spent researching this? Duh.
Why dont you try reading the Scientific American study before using it as evidence to deviate from what IS an FDA approved, and in many instances a MANDATORY pharmaceutical practice. This SEVENTEEN WEEK Urban City study was conducted OUTSIDE to determine ambient air microbe diversity..
The researchers using DNA probe technology found
DNA evidence, as in fragments rather than insect bacteria, that 1800 different bacterial species were present in the air -- and concluded the bacteria in the AIR were reflective of the surrounding environment. Well is that a surprise NOOOOO!
THE STUDY DID NOT investigate ambient air bacterial concentrations OR the virulence of bacteria in the air!
Let me also enlighten you FILTER PAPER is used in THIS STUDY and a large number of ambient microbe research bc that how the bacteria are "caught", HELLO!
There are numerous studies (Ive cited one and if you want to know the facts, rather than the bro BS, read it carefully) that have investigated ambient air bacterial
concentrations.
And the amount aspirated into a several cc syringe is infinitesimal especially when compared to contaminated raws, manufactured in China, laced with adulterants by who knows how many middlemen, packed in foil, cellophane and brewed by novices like yourself who believe they can reinvent the wheel.
And the latter is the reason home brewers (no offense to Meso Vets who follow sterile procedures as much as possible) by far have the highest rate of AAS related infectious complications IME
If you think IVDA is not associated with serious infectious complications both local and systemic, substitute the drivel with a web search
Now tell me more about the post-filter technique you used to detect bacteria with a microscope, really, or was that another lame read cited by some foolish bro who chooses not to filter his raws.
Finally if you or others are willing to accept the risk of a $4K single ED visit over the cost of FILTER PAPER thats your business BUT keep your brew to yourself, and the includes using gym folk as freebie guinea pigs!
JIM
