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Why do i feel nothing from injections but feel transdermals
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Tyler, I ran across something that peaked my interest. It is Chlorobutanol, used in many medications as a preservative, particularly in Testosterone Enanthate. I have pasted some clips about the chemical and have also listed the Enanthate and the Cypionate for your reference. There are also 3 links to articles about Chlorobutanol and the effects it has had on patients. Notably, it is noted as a depressant. I wonder if you do not have a high sensitivity to this drug and may be the cause for your depression. Incidently, Chlorobutanol is not in Cypionate.
That is definetly an interesting find!!!
There is no harm in giving cyp a shot (no pun intended) ... but I will most likely order it online and try it first before requesting a formal change from my doctor incase I have the same reaction to it as I do to Ethlanate.
I am currently 90% covered for the gel and i pay only $20 per month so I dont want to mess with that until i am totally sure I dont get depression from shots.
Cyp is worth a try.
Thanks for your post. Appreciate it.
Yea, even if you could find a 1ml vial and break it down into like 4 injections or more. Never know until you try!
It is 5 days post injection.
I did 100mg on Sunday night. Today is Friday afternoon.
I feel the depression lifting.
The good news is, it seems I can do any dose of testosterone and after 5days the depression will lift. The first 2-4 days I have very very brutal depression tho. It is very bad. But if I can will myself through it (reminding myself it will lift) it does lift after approx 5 days.
If this is the case, technically I should be able to do a 400mg shot and same thing should technically happen.
I am not going to touch injections for awhile but the next time I do one I will do a higher dose and see if this same thing holds true.
The depression has something to do with the "peak levels" it seems. I believe shots peak very high in my system whether its 10mg or 100mg. They peak high. And once the peak starts to drop down to a more manageable level, i feel ok.
I did 100mg on Sunday night. Today is Friday afternoon.
I feel the depression lifting.
The good news is, it seems I can do any dose of testosterone and after 5days the depression will lift. The first 2-4 days I have very very brutal depression tho. It is very bad. But if I can will myself through it (reminding myself it will lift) it does lift after approx 5 days.
If this is the case, technically I should be able to do a 400mg shot and same thing should technically happen.
I am not going to touch injections for awhile but the next time I do one I will do a higher dose and see if this same thing holds true.
The depression has something to do with the "peak levels" it seems. I believe shots peak very high in my system whether its 10mg or 100mg. They peak high. And once the peak starts to drop down to a more manageable level, i feel ok.
I did a 10mg shot about a month back and my levels were 1000ng/dl three days post injection. That is NUTS!!!!!!!!!! for 10mg.
I believe what is happening here is, no matter what dose inejction I do, they PEAK VERY VERY HIGH (over 1000ng/dl) and this is what causes the depression. Its just too damn high.
Then, once they peak, they rapidly drop down to a more reasonable level and the depression lifts.
I believe what is happening here is, no matter what dose inejction I do, they PEAK VERY VERY HIGH (over 1000ng/dl) and this is what causes the depression. Its just too damn high.
Then, once they peak, they rapidly drop down to a more reasonable level and the depression lifts.
10mg shot and I was doing 5g gel too.
I did blood work 72 hours post injection and my levels were 1000ng/dl.
foreveryoung
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this approach of once in a while single shot experiments seems like a really bad idea to me. shots are meant to be done regularly and for a long enough period of time, then evaluated. the endocrine system is meant to be nudged in a direction and then continued that way to let things adjust and level out... doing one or two big shots and expecting immediate good things to happen is not how this works
That sounds all well and good mr young but i am not going to subject myself to indefinite amounts of depression on injections if this is how i react to them.
I want to be alive and if i did regular shots I would shoot myself in the brain.
foreveryoung
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I wasn't suggesting you do anything, just merely stating that any 1 or 2 injection experiments are pretty much useless and irrelevant
I've done 6 over the past two months. Most have been 50mg or 100mg.
foreveryoung
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ok, I was just referring to the post above where you said something like you won't be doing any more injections, except maybe 1 big one in the future, and that is why I made my point, because I don't think the endocrine system is something that one wants to "shock" like that and expect good things from it, I am a believer in picking a basic protocol and sticking with it relatively steadily for a couple months, letting the body "get used to" the new protocol and levels and begin to settle in to the benefits part of things rather than the system being in shock from unfamiliar hormonal levels .... the way I feel 4 days after an injection now is completely different than the way I felt 4 days after an injection a month ago, the steadiness over time is important in the endocrine system I believe
Yeah generally. But i think there is something to be said about feeling bad versus feeling neutral. On the gels i felt no results for at least two weeks, but during this time, I didnt feel bad, I felt neutral. If shots made me feel neutral then I would continue them on a weekly basis. But they make me feel plain awful.
The six injections i have done have been spaced out fairly evenly and there is no difference in how i feel from the first one versus the six one. Just plain awful.
How do you feel about at least trying the Test-Cyp instead of the Test-E which has the chlorobutanol in it?
I actually found a solution to the same problem. I did feel a spike on gel that I definitely did not feel otherwise. I tried testosterone cypionate and enanthate and no matter how much AI or SERM I took I still felt like crap. I did not even want to workout. I switched to testosterone propionate and am a beast now with energy. I'd recommend finding a pharmacy that compounds that if you can. They have to make it the right way with ethyl oleate though otherwise it's gonna leave craters and release too fast. It has a shorter half life so my theory is it converts less to estrogen and more to DHT.
Most likely the gel is causing huge spikes in DHT and most likely you have other hormone and or neurotransmitter problems that you are compensating for.
Most likely the gel is causing huge spikes in DHT and most likely you have other hormone and or neurotransmitter problems that you are compensating for.
